Brandon Beane on WGR

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Football's not x + y = z 

 

We have stopped them in the last minute.. they have stopped us 

 

The only difference is theirs was in the playoffs.. that does not mean we cannot also do it in the playoffs 

 

7 out of 10 times I truly believe Josh Allen will get it done.. unfortunately the last drive last year, and bass missing the field goal the year before didn't get it done 

 

I don't think Josh is going to play backseat  the AFC for the rest of his career.. other quarterbacks have to win super bowls and he is too good and works too hard 

 

Tom Brady won a lot of super bowls with non Superstars at wide receiver.. he didn't even win with Randy Moss

 

I know it is not x+y=z. And yes, we have made the plays at the end in the regular season they have made them in the playoffs. It isn't by any means impossible that it flips in the 2025 postseason. But I do think a genuine vertical threat receiver would help. 

[Logic]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea but we need to be able to make those plays when we have the ball with a chance to win. Because every Bills - Chiefs game goes to the final 3 minutes. I don't think if our D holds them to 17 we are winning 29-17. I think it is 17-17 with 3 minutes to play. That is what those games are like. They are nip and tuck and you have to make the plays at the end. Now would it be nice one year for our D to make that play at the end? 100% yes. But give me the choice now do I wanna be 21-17 down with Josh having the ball and us on offense or 21-17 up with Pat having the ball and us on defense... I am always choosing the former. 

But to be fair, in the VERY NEXT GAME the Chiefs played, the Eagles were up 24-0 at the half and 34-6 at the end of the third quarter, largely because their defense was so exquisite.

So while I get what you're saying about the way that Bills-Chiefs games have played out in the past, is it not reasonable to aim to have them play out differently in the future, namely by attempting to improve our defense to the degree that it doesn't always have to be a shootout with them?

If no one had ever held the Chiefs down and bludgeoned them to death, then that would be one thing. But we saw both the Bucs and Eagles, on stages even bigger than conference championship games, shut down the Chiefs offense and not have to win with last minute offensive heroics. In both cases, effective defensive play was the primary culprit.

Now maybe it's not a personnel issue. Maybe we simply don't have the defensive coaches to be able to accomplish what I describe above, and if that's the case, it's a whole different discussion. But seeing that teams that have beaten the Chiefs on big stages have largely done so with heroic defensive efforts, is it not reasonable to attempt to make wholesale improvements to our defense?

Mind you, I want (and have wanted) a viable receiver added for a couple seasons now. But I would be remiss not to observe that just because PAST Bills-Chiefs games have been shootouts doesn't mean that we have to resign ourselves to the certainty that they always will be.

[TYSONKO1]

Loved the draft and Beane's response. Here's to more turnovers, possessions and wins.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

At least Gettleman and Hurney used 4 picks (2 1sts and 2 2nds) from 2013-2020.  And Hurney was taking guys who were separating unlike Gettleman did in 2014 and 2015.  

 

I mean, are they really so much in lock-step with that philosophy or can they think for themselves at this point?  The league changes a lot and if they're still adhering to what their former bosses were doing 5-10 years ago that bodes poorly for the future. 

 

I don't expect it to change massively. 

[The Wiz]

17 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I just listened to it now and I thought Beane came off as a jerk.

Not wrong, but also if Beane only heard the comments that Jeremy and Joe were saying the 2 minutes before he joined to show I could see how he would be defensive about it because those comments out of context do sound like they are saying he doesn't care about the offense or WR.

[US Egg]

19 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

I just listened to it now and I thought Beane came off as a jerk.

Yeah, but bet you’d wanna be his pal for a day.

[gjv]

Perhaps this morning’s interview had an influence on Moore’s meeting with the Bills today. I hope not.

[Doc Brown]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Every year? He must be the unluckiest GM in football then. 

No.  We got Prather.  We're fine.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Logic said:

But to be fair, in the VERY NEXT GAME the Chiefs played, the Eagles were up 24-0 at the half and 34-6 at the end of the third quarter, largely because their defense was so exquisite.

So while I get what you're saying about the way that Bills-Chiefs games have played out in the past, is it not reasonable to aim to have them play out differently in the future, namely by attempting to improve our defense to the degree that it doesn't always have to be a shootout with them?

If no one had ever held the Chiefs down and bludgeoned them to death, then that would be one thing. But we saw both the Bucs and Eagles, on stages even bigger than conference championship games, shut down the Chiefs offense and not have to win with last minute offensive heroics. In both cases, effective defensive play was the primary culprit.

Now maybe it's not a personnel issue. Maybe we simply don't have the defensive coaches to be able to accomplish what I describe above, and if that's the case, it's a whole different discussion. But seeing that teams that have beaten the Chiefs on big stages have largely done so with heroic defensive efforts, is it not reasonable to attempt to make wholesale improvements to our defense?

Mind you, I want (and have wanted) a viable receiver added for a couple seasons now. But I would be remiss not to observe that just because PAST Bills-Chiefs games have been shootouts doesn't mean that we have to resign ourselves to the certainty that they always will be.

 

It doesn't always have to be a shootout. We have played 24-20 and 20-17 with them. They STILL came down to the last few minutes. I think if the Bills and Chiefs played 10 times 9 would be won inside the final 4 minutes or OT. You might get one where a team wins by a couple of touchdowns. The teams know each other too well. You are not gonna get a Buccs or Eagles like bludgeoning. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I know it is not x+y=z. And yes, we have made the plays at the end in the regular season they have made them in the playoffs. It isn't by any means impossible that it flips in the 2025 postseason. But I do think a genuine vertical threat receiver would help. 

Of course I would like more talent everywhere if possible 

 

For some reason I feel next year is going to be a wide receiver year for the bills.. The offensive line is built... Hopefully we should have two good outside corners... A revamped defensive line 

 

And we can focus on weapons

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 minute ago, gjv said:

Perhaps this morning’s interview had an influence on Moore’s meeting with the Bills today. I hope not.

It didn't, that meeting likely got planned days maybe even weeks ago 

 

I would assume after day two of the draft when they realized they likely wouldn't be drafting a wr 

[eball]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I know it is not x+y=z. And yes, we have made the plays at the end in the regular season they have made them in the playoffs. It isn't by any means impossible that it flips in the 2025 postseason. But I do think a genuine vertical threat receiver would help. 

 

Of course it would!  Nobody, including Beane, disagrees with that.  The problem is the incessant criticism of Beane as if he is consciously ignoring it, rather than understanding he has to build an entire football team and make decisions that often sacrifice one need for another.

 

We can debate whether a speed receiver or a better D line is more important.  That’s fine.  What’s ridiculous — in my opinion — is somehow suggesting Beane is an idiot for not going the way some want him to go.

 

 

[Pete]

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

Of course I would like more talent everywhere if possible 

 

For some reason I feel next year is going to be a wide receiver year for the bills.. The offensive line is built... Hopefully we should have two good outside corners... A revamped defensive line 

 

And we can focus on weapons

 

Oh good. Another Keon Coleman. 

 

 

I jest, I jest.... well, maybe a bit 😆

Just now, eball said:

 

Of course it would!  Nobody, including Beane, disagrees with that.  The problem is the incessant criticism of Beane as if he is consciously ignoring it, rather than understanding he has to build an entire football team and make decisions that often sacrifice one need for another.

 

We can debate whether a speed receiver or a better D line is more important.  That’s fine.  What’s ridiculous — in my opinion — is somehow suggesting Beane is an idiot for not going the way some want him to go.

 

 

 

Who said Beane is an idiot? I didn't say that and to be fair to Jeremy and Sneaked Off Joe.... nor did they. 

[eball]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Who said Beane is an idiot? I didn't say that and to be fair to Jeremy and Sneaked Off Joe.... nor did they. 

 

You didn’t, I just responded to your post.  There are plenty who are, however, and you know it.

 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Oh good. Another Keon Coleman. 

 

 

I jest, I jest.... well, maybe a bit 😆

 I still do see some potential in Coleman and think he could actually be a pretty good downfield threat if he cleans up inconsistencies 

 

A deep threat in the mold of a poor man's plaxico burress 

 

But yeah if we draft another 6'3 guy who runs in quicksand I'll be disappointed 

[HappyDays]

Joe's comments here are spot on. For those that can't read the whole post:

 

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I'll add a comment here. I know many will not agree and that's OK. Just sharing my perspective. 

 

That comes with the territory of being an NFL GM and should be expected. Given the QB in place in Buffalo and how close the team has been but keeps coming up short, there is a lot of competitive tension that exists within the fanbase and likely inside the building. 

 

To me, this should be more about Beane's demeanor this morning, rather than whether the Bills need to add more at receiver. 

 

I know some people enjoyed Beane's demeanor this morning, but I found it to be a bad look. There was a much better way for him to communicate his feelings on the topic other than bitching about people bitching, especially before even being asked an actual question.

 

[davefan66]

We needed help on defense for sure. Glad we won’t be depending on the one year contract guys for the defensive line this year. Happy we got a CB2 and overall depth for the defense. Yes, it was time to get that side of the ball some help.
 

I would have liked if we added a speed WR at some point. Would like a guy who can help stretch the field, like what Cooper brought to us last year. Josh needs more room to work, and take a few defenders out of the box.  A threat at WR helps do that.  Pretty  important to the WR room is plain old depth. Can’t start the season with the guys we have on the roster, expect we will sign someone. Not a fan of our practice squad guys being that depth. 

 

Will we have the highest scoring offense again this year? With Josh, anything is possible. I honestly don’t care if we do. I want a defense that will stop the other team at the most important times. Need all three phases of the game being their best to win the most important games.  That includes the FA’s and drafted players contributing. It also includes adding a few more pieces, and in my mind WR depth is part of that.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Joe's comments here are spot on. For those that can't read the whole post:

 

 

He’s exactly right.  And saying “let me finish!” when nobody was interrupting him.  
 

Beane sounded shook not confident.

[LEBills]

43 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Yeah according to Gettleman you had to get those big old "hog mollies" as he called them over everything else. The best receivers on the Panthers 2015 Super Bowl team were Philly Brown, Ted Ginn, and Jericho Cotchery lol

As crazy as it sounds that receiver group, especially when you include Greg Olsen, may be better