Brandon Beane on WGR

[KingBoots8]

Made this one myself. Not my best work, but not wrong either

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, ALLinALLEN said:

Yeah. He wasnt even necessarily wrong - I think we had a good draft and filled needs on D. He just came off super weird today.

 

I think while he started off "salty", he was mainly making a joke about the 2018/Josh Rosen stuff, and was expecting Jeremy and Joe to take it and laugh and keep it light. Instead, they got just as weird and defensive and awkward as Beane, and then it just kept that tone.

 

I think if he pops off to start like that on McAfee, where he is on camera, and where the show cast keeps it lighter and laughing, it goes a totally different way.

 

Or maybe Beane was ready to drive over to WGR and kick some teeth down throats. Who knows?!

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

That’s why they call him sneaky

 

Should rename him Yellow Joe. 

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I don't think McDermott is storming out of the room Doug Marrone style everytime Brandon drafts him a defensive player haha. But honestly this is the way Brandon believes teams should be built. He said it again in that interview today "you gotta have a Quarterback, and then you gotta be good up front." Given a choice between a lineman and a receiver he will always go lineman. It is just who he is. It is like anything, I am now a director at work and I sometimes catch myself making decisions or even using phrases that I go "man I sound just like the guy who was director when I started at bottom of the totem pole." We are all influenced by the professional cultures and philosophies we are exposed to earlier in our careers.

 

And to be clear - just in case Brandon is reading - I think he is a good general manager and I think he just had the best first 2 days of any draft since he snagged Josh Allen. You can believe that and still say the data supports him undervaluing receiver compared to the rest of the NFL. It is what it is.

 

He also said if there was a WR they liked there, they would have taken him in the 1st so... 🤷‍♂️

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I disagree. The drafts fell the way they did. You think you're seeing trends.

 

Every year? He must be the unluckiest GM in football then. 

[mjd1001]

I just listened to it now and I thought Beane came off as a jerk.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He also said if there was a WR they liked there, they would have taken him in the 1st so... 🤷‍♂️

 

But there would always have been that other guy higher on his board. And that is my theory I don't think he ignores receiver on draft day. I don't think they place enough value on receiver who can make plays down the field when they build their board. 

[Logic]

It feels like everybody's a little right and a little wrong.

Beane DOES deserve come criticism for undervaluing the wide receiver position and for the fallout that has come from that.

 

On the other hand, Beane's Bills have won five divisions in a row, consistently have a top five offense, and are coming off a season in which the Bills were 2nd in the league in PPG and their QB won an MVP award.

It is almost certainly the DEFENSE which has been more to blame for the Bills' mounting playoff failures than the offense, and even those have arguably been more the fault of the coaching staff than the personnel. One can begin to understand the GM's frustration, then.
 

Furthermore, the media, at times, still behaves the way they did during the drought. That is, Beane does not seem to have earned much benefit of the doubt. And to some extent, I get it! He has yet to bring a Super Bowl trip or a Lombardi to Buffalo, and until he does so, there will be questions and doubts -- especially considering the specific ways in which the Bills have been bounced from the playoffs every year.

So all in all, some of the WR discussion IS warranted, and today's actions by Brandon Beane likely represented the culmination of his mounting frustrations, and the WGR guys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I bet that if you asked Beane and he was being honest, he'd tell you he wishes he had that interview back. That he could take a few deep breaths and have a do-over.

Nothing is black and white in this world, and this situation is no different. There are layers. There is nuance. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where sports media or the average fan are prepared to discuss and analyze layers and nuance in a reasoned and meaningful way.
 

Edited 3 hours ago by Logic

[NeverOutNick]

12 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I disagree. The drafts fell the way they did. You think you're seeing trends.

It fell just the way it did, I mean he just had to trade up for those DTs…

[ALLinALLEN]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I think while he started off "salty", he was mainly making a joke about the 2018/Josh Rosen stuff, and was expecting Jeremy and Joe to take it and laugh and keep it light. Instead, they got just as weird and defensive and awkward as Beane, and then it just kept that tone.

 

I think if he pops off to start like that on McAfee, where he is on camera, and where the show cast keeps it lighter and laughing, it goes a totally different way.

 

Or maybe Beane was ready to drive over to WGR and kick some teeth down throats. Who knows?!

IDK I think even that Allen/Rosen stuff was personal and not joking. I think he's over it lol.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But there would always have been that other guy higher on his board. And that is my theory I don't think he ignores receiver on draft day. I don't think they place enough value on receiver who can make plays down the field when they build their board. 

 

Fair. The 2019 2nd round happened so I cant argue too much against that view. (Cody Ford over AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, and Terry McLaurin)

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

It feels like everybody's a little right and a little wrong.
 

 

This should be posted in literally every thread on this board

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But there would always have been that other guy higher on his board. And that is my theory I don't think he ignores receiver on draft day. I don't think they place enough value on receiver who can make plays down the field when they build their board. 

You do win in the trenches... If we were scoring 21 points a game yeah for sure we would totally need to bolster it 

 

But we literally have one of the most high-powered offenses in the NFL.. I don't care who's lining up at The x y or z it's working .. we didn't score 22 in Arrowhead.. we scored enough to win our defense didn't

 

Now if we start scoring 21 points a game they're going to have to adjust.. but ball control, three running backs and Josh Allen with wide receivers and tight ends who know their place in the offense makes it balanced and they can play multiple ways

 

And trying to get the defense back to suffocated is 100% a way to win the super bowl

 

The Buffalo Bills offense in Josh Allen's third year when he broke out was not balanced enough to win the super bowl it was all Josh Allen

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Lionel Hutz]

I don't listen to the local sports radio so I don't know what these guys have said in the past but Beane has some nerve to act like this. Where was this anger after 13 seconds? His head coach is supposed to be a defensive genius and it's consistently the defense that lets this team down. He better hope Hairston isn't another Elam.

 

He got lucky on the Allen pick and it is the reason why the Bills haven't turned into the Buffalo Sabres. Face it, if they hadn't drafted Allen we wouldn't be a perennial contender and Beane would probably be out of his job by now.

[PromoTheRobot]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

It feels like everybody's a little right and a little wrong.

Beane DOES deserve come criticism for undervaluing the wide receiver position and for the fallout that has come from that.

 

On the other hand, Beane's Bills have won five divisions in a row, consistently have a top five offense, and are coming off a season in which the Bills were 2nd in the league in PPG and their QB won an MVP award.

It is almost certainly the DEFENSE which has been more to blame for the Bills' mounting playoff failures than the offense, and even those have arguably been more the fault of the coaching staff than the personnel. One can begin to understand the GM's frustration, then.
 

Furthermore, the media, at times, still behaves the way they did during the drought. That is, Beane does not seem to have earned much benefit of the doubt. And to some extent, I get it! He has yet to bring a Super Bowl trip or a Lombardi to Buffalo, and until he does so, there will be questions and doubts -- especially considering the specific ways in which the Bills have been bounced from the playoffs every year.

So all in all, some of the WR discussion IS warranted, and today's actions by Brandon Beane likely represented the culmination of his mounting frustrations, and the WGR guys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I bet that if you asked Beane and he was being honest, he'd tell you he wishes he had that interview back. That he could take a few deep breaths and have a do-over.

Nothing is black and white in this world, and this situation is no different. There are layers. There is nuance. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where sports media or the average fan are prepared to discuss and analyze layers and nuance in a reasoned and meaningful way.
 

 

5 AFC East titles, you'd think that would earn you some cred. But everything is measured by championships, so that makes you a failure.

[BringBackFergy]

54 minutes ago, boyst said:

Anyone who wants to hear what real interviewers sound like with Brandon Bean can turn to Sirius NFL radio, and you'll see the difference. Is on now, in a moment

I was just going to post this. Thx

 

Everyone else is over analyzing what Beane said this morning, but Pat and Jim congratulated him on handling it properly. 
 

Beane is a smart dude. His comments on “Moving the Chains” were great. 
 

Jeremy White and Jerry Sullivan want click bait. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

You do win in the trenches... If we were scoring 21 points a game yeah for sure we would totally need to bolster it 

 

But we literally have one of the most high-powered offenses in the NFL.. I don't care who's lining up at The x y or z it's working .. we didn't score 22 in Arrowhead.. we scored enough to win our defense didn't

 

Now if we start scoring 21 points a game they're going to have to adjust.. ball control, three running backs and Josh Allen.. wide receivers and tight ends who know their place in the offense 

 

And trying to get the defense back to suffocated is 100% a way to win the super bowl

 

Yea but we need to be able to make those plays when we have the ball with a chance to win. Because every Bills - Chiefs game goes to the final 3 minutes. I don't think if our D holds them to 17 we are winning 29-17. I think it is 17-17 with 3 minutes to play. That is what those games are like. They are nip and tuck and you have to make the plays at the end. Now would it be nice one year for our D to make that play at the end? 100% yes. But give me the choice now do I wanna be 21-17 down with Josh having the ball and us on offense or 21-17 up with Pat having the ball and us on defense... I am always choosing the former. 

[ndirish1978]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Your numbers are off. First of all, 5 WRs on the roster are going to contribute. Whereas just 4 DTs are going to be your primary rotation - we did after all only keep 4 on the roster last year. Oliver, DQ, Sanders, Ogunjobi, Carter gives us 5 so even accounting for Ogunjobi's suspension we already had the room filled out before adding Walker. Meanwhile at WR we have a PS player and a former bust competing for the #5 spot. So I just completely disagree with you that an extra DT has more potential to contribute than an extra WR.

 

Also, the important thing with WR is we are missing a specific skill set which is of course vertical traits. Beane himself has admitted this. We met with all of the vertical WRs in the class so he can't act shocked when people are concerned about the position, clearly he knew it was a problem but didn't make the necessary moves to fix it. I agree the DT room was weak heading into the class, but we at least had bodies that could fill whatever role we needed. As of right now we still do not have a vertical WR on the roster.

 

You are correct, I was not counting Ogunjobi because he is suspended for the first 6 games. We have 2 DTs, we drafted 2. We don't have to keep 4, we can keep 5 and Carter will be inactive on gamedays unless there is an injury. Do I think DT was a bigger need than WR? Yes. You don't, it's ok for us to disagree. I agree that we are missing a vertical threat, though I think Palmer can do things down the field. I have addressed this in a post in another thread. There were 3 down the field threats available to use after drafting Walker, I believe drafting a bigger replacement for Cam Lewis and adding a 3rd TE with a blocking specialty was more important than getting someone like Noel or Royals, I presume you would not. I would note that Beane said the pick the scouts were most excited about falling into their laps was the nickel/hybrid safety from OSU so it seems like they had him rated higher than the 2 receivers. I liked Horton, so that seems to be the only guys who we could have picked but didn't. 

[BillsVet]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Jerry is wrong. It is not McDermott's influence. It is Hurney and Gettleman's.

 

GM comes from team that undervalues drafting receivers and undervalues drafting receivers. More at 9.

 

At least Gettleman and Hurney used 4 picks (2 1sts and 2 2nds) from 2013-2020.  And Hurney was taking guys who were separating unlike Gettleman did in 2014 and 2015.  

 

I mean, are they really so much in lock-step with that philosophy or can they think for themselves at this point?  The league changes a lot and if they're still adhering to what their former bosses were doing 5-10 years ago that bodes poorly for the future. 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea but we need to be able to make those plays when we have the ball with a chance to win. Because every Bills - Chiefs game goes to the final 3 minutes. I don't think if our D holds them to 17 we are winning 29-17. I think it is 17-17 with 3 minutes to play. That is what those games are like. They are nip and tuck and you have to make the plays at the end. Now would it be nice one year for our D to make that play at the end? 100% yes. But give me the choice now do I wanna be 21-17 down with Josh having the ball and us on offense or 21-17 up with Pat having the ball and us on defense... I am always choosing the former. 

Football's not x + y = z 

 

We have stopped them in the last minute.. they have stopped us 

 

The only difference is theirs was in the playoffs.. that does not mean we cannot also do it in the playoffs 

 

7 out of 10 times I truly believe Josh Allen will get it done with it on the line... The other team is getting paid too so they're professionals and they will get some stops.. 

 

unfortunately the last drive last year, and bass missing the field goal the year before didn't get it done 

 

I don't think Josh is going to play backseat  the AFC for the rest of his career.. other quarterbacks have to win super bowls and he is too good and works too hard 

 

Tom Brady won a lot of super bowls with non Superstars at wide receiver.. he didn't even win with Randy Moss

 

What I like pro bowlers everywhere at wide receiver? Sure.. is it a lot better than what Josh Allen inherited 8 years ago? Yes.. do I think we can win a super bowl with our team? Yes

Edited 3 hours ago by Buffalo716

[OldTimer1960]

6 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

Beane called Samuel WR 4 so don’t expect much at all. Don’t shoot the messenger.

Samuel is not a star, I concede that, but he has been significantly better than his 2024 production and I think he will return to his usual production if he is healthy.  I think Kincaid will be better too if healthy - as Beane has suggested he needs to get a little stronger as well.  Coleman is the wild card.  I wasn’t a fan of his selection, but he had started showing flashes before he got hurt.  Can he get back to that and improve from there?  I don’t know, but that is what they are banking on.

 

I do think that the WR group is not a strength of the team and could use help - especially speed, but I have a hard time criticizing their first 3 picks and could not identify a WR that was available at any of those picks that they should have taken over who they did.

 

If Royals, Horton or Thornton pan out, people will be upset, but if they never do anything we won’t hear a peep.  Once round 1 is over, a lot of picks are crap shoots.  Go back and look at receivers taken after the early 2nd and then remember how they were all going to be great.  Of course there are some good ones but I don’t think it’s a high percentage that turned out.  Should probably carve out a separate category for slot receivers as they are easier to find later.

 

Should they have taken Royals or Horton over Walker in round 4?  I think that’s a debate that could reasonably be had, but if Walker plays back to pre-back injury 2023 his upside is higher than those receivers- of course only my opinion.