Brandon Beane on WGR

[Steptide]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect...I am not not follwing the bolded...why is "betting on that again" a little ignorant?  The offense we ran last year wasn't a one year gimmick due to lack of resources at WR.  It is who we are moving forward, and its not like we kept getting lucky week after week.  We scored over 30 like 8 straight games if I am not mistaken on our way to avg 31 points despite Allen sitting weeking 17 and offense pretty much going into hibernation for whole quarters, even some 2nd halves in big blow out wins.  

 

And, on paper at least, I think there is a legit case to say our weapons are better today then when we last walked off the field.  Coleman got a bit lost coming back from injury, but pre-injury he was very promising and should be better as a year 2 WR and healthy than he was as a rookie. Allen even said Keon has been hitting him up all offseason on getting better, getting even more on the same page in terms of timing and thinking in live play, etc.  Then you have Palmer who is an upgrade over the ghost of Cooper and Hollins in terms of a downfield receiver.  Shakir has done nothing but ascend each year, so not unreasonable to expect to see him be even better, Samuel is healthy entering the season, and Kincaid is healthy again where he was playing hurt most the season last year.  Year 3 for him I expect to see a step forward as well.  

 

I mean this offense just led to Allens first MVP, we still have a dominant OL, best QB in football, and a great run game as well.  I don't see how expecting the offense or betting on it to be good again is ignorant.  It seems more silly to expect a big fall off than to expect it to be a top 5 offense again.

I assume they're expecting Coleman to make a big jump and kincaid to have a big role. Coleman Imo is 50/50 to be any better than last year. Kincaid hasent been a factor to this point. Hopefully he turns it on this season, I know he had the injury last year, and hopefully that's the major reason for his lack of production. I trust beane and McDermott to know what they're doing, it's not like this team hasent been successful, but not having a true number 1 makes me a bit nervous.

 

Having said all that, the defense on paper looks nasty. Could be the best defense since McDermott got here, and that would be huge. We may not need the offense to put up 30 points a game if the defense is that good. Time will tell

[NeverOutNick]

49 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

The most offensive output the Chiefs had in 2 seasons were in the playoff games eliminating the Bills.  Thats a problem

That’s coaching

[QCity]

When he said "You can't have everything" it's a tacit admission he knows the WR room is lacking. I mean, he was shopping for WR's in October. 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

I just can't see the reason to go off on a couple of radio guys regarding the WR position and then turn right around and bring in a guy who is 25 and has 120 catches over the last two years.  It's basically an admission that they need some help there. 

 

Beane never said the WR room couldnt improve.

 

He literally said they'd like to have all-pros at every position, but that just isnt possible.

 

He called out the radio guys on their bad takes where they spent an entire hour of supposed "post draft coverage" to complain about not drafting a WR instead of discussing any of the guys we did draft.

 

 

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

I just can't see the reason to go off on a couple of radio guys regarding the WR position and then turn right around and bring in a guy who is 25 and has 120 catches over the last two years.  It's basically an admission that they need some help there. 

That wasnt the context.  They said Beane obviously undervalues the position because he didnt draft one earlier.  They challenged his ability to properly do his job.  Why would he let that slide?  

[kota]

ROFL go get him BB.

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I dont think he "lost his cool". Even he sounds frustrated/animated. I think he is just comfortable being open and honest, and there was plenty of joking sarcasm in there wrapped around true statements.

 

He didnt make it personal. He didnt threaten to not come on anymore. He didnt threaten to have the show shut down (like Jerry Jones).

 

I think it was just an engaged Beane setting the record straight and issuing some decent jabs and burns along the way.

 

I'm sure he'll be back on Jeremy's show at the next opportunity.

There are different levels of losing your cool.  You don’t have to threaten someone to lose your cool.  You don’t have to hold a grudge to lose your cool.  
 

I don’t think he threw a tantrum or acted immature.  I do think he wishes he had that back.  
 

agree to disagree 

[Jauronimo]

3 minutes ago, Billl said:

This is true, but don’t you get dismissing returns at some point?  I mean, Buffalo traded down in the first round last year to add a third round pick.  They effectively sacrificed their options at a 1st round WR and used the pick they gained on D-Line.  Then they drafted another D-Lineman later in the draft.  Then they added 3 D-Linemen in Free Agency.  Then they drafted 3 D-Lineman in this draft.  Meanwhile, they added Josh Palmer in FA and drafted a WR with the 240th pick in the draft.

 

Now I have no idea whether these moves were good, bad, or some combination of both, but that seems like less of a “finite resources” issue than a conscious decision to load up on one side at the expense of other positions.

Diminishing returns would be an improvement.  We have yet to get the anticipated returns out of a massive investment in resources to the DL over the years.  Its one of the biggest needs going on 6 years straight and its not due to lack of investment.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, QCity said:

When he said "You can't have everything" it's a tacit admission he knows the WR room is lacking. I mean, he was shopping for WR's in October. 

 

Exactly. Of course he knows that. But that doesnt mean he can just make all-pro WRs appear out of thin air. If they decide to sign somewhere else in FA, or the prospects we like get drafted before our pick.

 

He also has an entire team to build. Not just the WR room.

[TH3]

2 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

That’s coaching

No kidding...with the depth and skill at dline, safeties, and CB last year....how did the Bills not hold them to 20 points

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

With his contract and cap hit, he needs to be a guy who wins games when he has the ball in his hands and the chance to take a lead with under 2 mins left.

He did that twice in the 13 second game and the defense let us down both times and in overtime. I dont disagree with your general premise that the QB needs to make big plays in big moments but so does the defense. The defense has been a disaster against KC in the playoffs. You want to win it all you better be getting big contributions from both sides of the ball.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

There are different levels of losing your cool.  You don’t have to threaten someone to lose your cool.  You don’t have to hold a grudge to lose your cool.  
 

I don’t think he threw a tantrum or acted immature.  I do think he wishes he had that back.  
 

agree to disagree 

 

Fair enough. Tho I'll disagree that he wishes he had that back. He didnt even say anything out of line. He was just his normal, open, honest self and got in some good burns on a couple of non-professionals. He'll be back on their show and they'll all be buddies.

[NeverOutNick]

Just now, TH3 said:

No kidding...with the depth and skill at dline, safeties, and CB last year....how did the Bills not hold them to 20 points

I know you’re being sarcastic, but did we not do that to a lot of teams during the regular season? Did we not do that to the Chiefs in the regular season. When it comes to the playoffs we are out coached by Kansas City every time.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, NeverOutNick said:

I know you’re being sarcastic, but did we not do that to a lot of teams during the regular season? Did we not do that to the Chiefs in the regular season. When it comes to the playoffs we are out coached by Kansas City every time.

 

Coaching is definitely an issue, but that is barely one step away from trying to change ownership at this point. It isnt changing any time soon, so gotta try to do the best to work around that.

[QLBillsFan]

35 minutes ago, Pete said:

So your assumption is that Keon, Dalton, Palmer, Samuels will all be awesome?  Got it 

Not what I said. Try to work on reading comprehension. You are assuming they won’t be any better. Health alone brings more productivity for CS and DK. Coleman a second year of maturity. Palmer should give JA a better go to with separation. That’s what I said. 

Edited 9 hours ago by QLBillsFan

[Billyhouseman]

30 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He doesnt feel it. He heard you, and then pointed out how dumb you all sound. And was right.

Why is he right?

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Coaching is definitely an issue, but that is barely one step away from trying to change ownership at this point. It isnt changing any time soon, so gotta try to do the best to work around that.

It’s sad that this is the case, but so true.

[Juice_32]

I'm with Beane on this one, I haven't really understood the narrative about wide receiver for a while. To me when you have a quarterback like we do it really comes down to two things.
 

1. How many points do you score?

 

2. And how many stops can you get?

 

We need stops, that's what's going to get us where we want to be. The points have not been the problem for a while.

[WNYFAN1]

39 minutes ago, Pete said:

The POINT is that Coleman, Samuels, Dalton, and Palmer had little to do with the Bills being the highest scoring team in 2024.  Amari and Mack played a big part in Bills scoring.  And they are gone.  MVP Josh was an alchemist.

 

To just assume that Coleman can learn to beat press coverage, that Dalton plays better than Knox, that Samuels can stay healthy, that Palmer steps up, that a stud fifth WR magically appears, and that Shakir stays healthy- that’s a lot of assumptions!

 

It is a thin line between hope and folly.

 

People think just because we led the league in scoring, we will again.  Well many  opposing teams have their sites on Bills, have studied Bill Offense,they are building game plans against us.   But we were so good on offense last year, we don’t need to evolve.  We don’t to add any talent- give all to the D. 

Agreed. And can the offense count on having the best starting field position in the league for another year?

[QLBillsFan]

9 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

That wasnt the context.  They said Beane obviously undervalues the position because he didnt draft one earlier.  They challenged his ability to properly do his job.  Why would he let that slide?  

He always brings in vets post draft. And he clearly feels that a vet is better than a late WR. And that the group put up 30pts a game with significant injuries to three key receivers.