Brandon Beane on WGR

[Cray51]

6 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Then post where your data is coming from given this topic and the data sources associated with it are not exactly consistent nor understood. 

If that's the case, most stats then are not applicable and the entire conversation moves to eye test.  The production of the statistic is the rate at which the QB scrambles outside of the tackles on a passing play.  I'm not sure how "not exactly consistent" applies there.

 

Allen - from the statistics available at current time - does not leave the pocket at a significant measure.  Not 70% like you exaggerated, not heavily above average. 3% above average.  That's very slight.

 

Allen is REALLY GOOD at creating outside of the pocket, but that doesn't mean he leaves the pocket at a higher rate than others.  I agree that Allen is the engine of the offense, which is why Beane has invested in an o-line that by statistics is very good and provides strong pass protection.  In addition, he made an o-line that is very good with their running game, and forces defenses to respect the run.

 

 

[Jukester]

WGR to Brandon Beane…THANK YOU!!  Ratings just went through the roof. Social media just blew up. Exactly what they want out of their sports talk. 

[nedboy7]

I loved every word that came out of him.  Glad we have him as a GM.  

[sven233]

Here's the thing......they're both right.  They have different points of view as to where the WR room is, but they are both right and both have good points.

 

BEANE

 

- The Bills did score the 2nd most points in the league last season.....most if you include the Playoffs.

 

- There are other positions on the team that you need to have to get the most out of your WR group.

 

- Palmer is a good player and should offer more than what Hollins and Cooper gave you last season.

 

- You can't pay everyone and every position big money.

 

- The Bills put up enough points in the Playoffs to win those games last year and the defense let the team down and that's what needed fixing the most.

 

WGR

 

- Yes, the Bills scored the most points in the league last season, but it was only after having to make a trade early in the season after Baltimore and Houston brought their safeties down and manned up our WR corps and shut them down all over the field because they didn't respect the WR corps ability to beat them over the top.  You realized that if you didn't do something, teams would continue to do the same thing.

 

- Other teams with star QBs play to their strength and make it a point to surround him with top WR talent to help him be even better.

 

- Cost controlled stars at premium positions are something you should strive to have.  Draft these premium positions every year in hopes to get a superstar under a rookie contract.

 

- Not sure it is right to expect huge steps forward from Coleman and Kincaid is the right thing to do.  If they don't take the next step, this team probably won't have enough fire power in the end.

 

- Teams react to what you do every year.  Now that you have an entire season of this offense on tape, are you sure that the same basic WR corps that you had last season replicate the same success if the turnover margin isn't the same.

 

 

Look.....I am not here to say who's right and who's wrong.  I guess, in theory, I am always on the side of you can't have too many great WRs on your team.  It is in my draft philosophy that you always draft premium positions high in hopes to find stars at those positions under cost controlled contracts as much as possible and I definitely have WR high on that list.  It is no different really than one of my other draft philosophies of never drafting a RB high because I think the talent difference between the best ones (Barkley, etc) that are drafted super high is not as much as from someone you can draft in the 3rd-4th round (Cook, Davis) that is worth the contract difference.

 

I will also say that this year wasn't the year to be pounding the table for WR to be drafted high.  But I think wanting to bring in as much WR talent as possible in order to make Allen's life easier isn't the worst thing to do.  Yes, you can look to the points scored and everything last year.  But how much of that is Allen making up for the deficiencies in the WR room.  I am always one to ask the question about how many of our big passing plays were made within the structure of the offense and on time in the play as compared to Allen putting on the cape and making those huge plays outside of structure many times while within 1 yard of the boundaries. 

 

There are many ways to win in this league.  Some teams like the Eagles and Bengals pay top money to big time WRs.  We are going the opposite route and going with the "Everybody Eats" philosophy.  I actually like the "Everybody Eats" concept, but in order for that to be successful, you have to have everyone on offense buy in because guys know that nobody is going to put up huge numbers in that type of offense.  The other thing you need are WRs with different skill sets that open up different levels of the field so everyone does have a chance to eat.  As of today we don't have anyone on this team this is going to scare any team or DC deep.  And that goes to the point above where the Ravens and Texans realized this last season and brought their Safeties down and manned up our WRs and clogged the intermediate levels where Allen loves to live.  And that's the worry.....will it happen again if we don't find some vertical speed and explosion from another guy that can constantly beat man coverage.

 

Anyway, this Beane interview and the spiciness it had wasn't on my Bingo card for today, but I am glad it happened.  Like I said, both sides have great points and it makes for good conversation.  I will say this, though....it is pretty funny that Beane came with all this vinegar defending the WRs on the roster and then 2 seconds later the Bills announce Moore is coming in for a visit.  I will also say Beane came out and planted some pretty firm flags as to where he stands on this.  He better be right because there are some very public receipts out there that will be coming if this team comes out of the gate slow and can't score enough points because the WRs can't get open.  Let's just hope it all works out.

 

 

[nedboy7]

1 minute ago, Jukester said:

WGR to Brandon Beane…THANK YOU!!  Ratings just went through the roof. Social media just blew up. Exactly what they want out of their sports talk. 

someone intelligent was talking. That’s a good sign people liked it. There is hope for humanity. 

[Special K]

On the speed WR issue, don't most teams play a Cover 2 shell against the Bills, thereby negating the effectiveness of a speed reciever......especially one that can't run block??

 

I wanted the Bills to snag a field-stretching WR as much as anyone, but maybe that's what they were thinking??

[1997WS6]

3 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

The Panthers are 36-80 since Tepper took over, they literally havent had a winning season in 7 years.  I'd say this regime has a bit more of a leg to stand on when they are critical of people talking negatively about their team.  

 

He was nicer than he had to be.  The team just wont 13 games, went to an AFC Championship, and they are getting criticized by morons who wanted to draft Lepoopy Johnson from South Arizone State because he ran a fast 40.  Meanwhile those same morons forget they just drafted a wideout in the 2nd round last year.   Spent money on Josh Palmer and brought in competition for the bottom on the WR depth chart in Shenault.   You can say they werent the right guys, but dont act like they havent made moves at wideout. 

 

If I were him I'd just stop giving access.   At the end of the AFC Championship game people were complaining about the defense.   He drafts defense which anyone with trwo brain cells knew he was going to do, and then the complaints start about WR.    Do you guys remember what it was like to have a bad front office and coaching staff?  Like really bad not just in your mind.

This is exactly right.  We finally have an excellent GM and a very good coach and people keep complaining that they aren't good enough.  Stop.  We've had a winning team for YEARS now.  Remember not making the playoffs year after year?  And Jeremy White is arrogant.  The constant complaining makes me turn off WGR sometimes when he gets going.  We have the 3rd best odds of winning the Superbowl for goodness sake.

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Beane and McDermott are coached by Derek Boyko and typically are measured with their words.  There haven’t been too many “Whaley moments” in the press.  
 

I wouldn’t be shocked if he was sending a message in the media to the maligned WR’s to motivate them.  

I think he just got frustrated by the outside noise after working 18 to 20 hours a day the last three months trying to nail this draft.  

[Coach Tuesday]

Maybe next time they should play on Beane's side of the field and ask him why his staff is so bad at evaluating DL talent that they have to spend millions in free agency and heavy-weight their draft picks there every single offseason.

[NewEra]

I cringed.  That was the worst I’ve heard from Brandon Beanes mouth.  
 

Especially considering the topic.  Why get so animated over a subject he knows to be true.  He wants another speed WR.  
 

He said all he needed to in the PC-  the guys weren’t on the board when they were on the clock.  They went BPA.  Leave it at that.  Those that are expecting him to say he made a mistake and should’ve traded up, you should know better.   That would ever be said.  
 

Nonetheless, that was a poor moment from Beane and I bet he wishes he had that one back

Edited 7 hours ago by NewEra

[BillsVet]

29 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

The offseason is not over yet. As evidenced by the visit of Elijah Moore today, they don't think the WR room is good to go. After a certain point in the draft you're drafting developmental talent that can't be banked on to come in and unseat vets. I think it's pretty logical to think "we did't get a guy in the top few rounds at WR because we were addressing needs that we cannot run out and sign in free agency, I can take a swing at a traitsy WR (like we did with Shakir and the coaches didn't count on him consistently for a couple years) or I can continue drafting depth at positions we have no depth at and make sure we have sufficient resources on ST, then we can supplement the WR room with vets where we know what we're getting when we sign them." Beane said he didn't think the board would line up so that their WR pick was in the 7th, he has shown that he agrees we could use another person in there, but the constant chirping about it is really boring. 

 

Name a single key player acquired in the period between the draft ending and Week 1 by this organization in 8 years.  

 

Reality is the two key player acquisition methods are over now and they're down to 4.1M in cap room which largely go to 2025 draftee contracts.

 

Come to think of it, when was the last time Buffalo signed a productive WR in UFA before or after the draft?  

[Rocbillsfan1]

Jeremy and Joe handled this well. I get Brandon might be annoyed by all the WR talk but it's justified IMO. The QB is set, the o-line is set, the RB are set, the TE are set. The only question marks come at the WR position. We lost 2 of our better WR not named Shakir from last year. We hope Coleman takes another step, we hope, Palmer takes another step, we hope Samuels takes another step. The position is a huge question mark and maybe it works out but it's clearly average at best to below average talent. 

 

I was very happy that they took the direction of going heavy on the defensive side and the defense is clearly a problem but I still was hoping for WR picked within their first 3 or 4 picks. Now we have Elijah Moore coming in for a visit which is nice so I don't get the freak out by Beane.

 

If we are being real Beane has done a ***** job addressing WR over his stay. He has performed poorly when targeting and going and getting their WR that they liked. They screwed up last year by not going up and grabbing Brian Thomas, in 2023 they screwed up and didn't trade up and get their guy. There were multiple guys there that would have worked out but Addison was the guy I liked the most. 2022 they could have had Pickens or Watson and picked Elam a huge bust. In 2020 I really liked Justin Jefferson and low and behold he fell right where the Bills would have been picking. I know people will say trading for Diggs was the right move and it did work out to an extent but I have been firmly in the camp especially when Josh was younger to just drafting young WRs that Josh could grow with. It's always pissed me off listening to Beane be like well we don't draft high enough to get a player like Chase but they literally traded out of the Justin Jefferson pick and have been a few slots away from countless others. IMO Beane has been a massive failure in terms of building this WR room. That said maybe we win the Super Bowl regardless. 

 

Also I'll add so people know I would have stayed put in the second round and went Darius Alexander and Jaylin Noel or Kyle Williams. Tai Felton as another guy I thought maybe they could trade back into the end of the third and grab. Jalen Royals went in the fourth and Tory Horton went in the fifth. I don't get Beane saying there weren't any WRs with good grades available anywhere in the draft.

Edited 7 hours ago by Rocbillsfan1
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[Johnnycage46]

4 hours ago, RkFast said:

White and Joe HAVE TO call him out on the WR thing NOW!!!!! If they dont, Ill lose a ton of respect for them.

I would imagine the fear of losing your respect is what drives them day in and day out.

[Billyhouseman]

Everyone is missing the "Poker Tell" that Brandon said during the interview and it's a GIANT red flag.... He said "the position (WR) is sometimes very hard to satisfy and and that position can get frustrated..." That tells me the breakup with diggs lives literally RENT FREE in his head .... And he's scared to draft a top WR

[eball]

4 hours ago, blitzboy54 said:

 

Only one of those things worked. A blind man could see nobody could get open last year. The defense compresses our pass catchers because they can't take off the top. Drafting 2 pass catchers in the last 2 years that can't get open doesn't help. Sorry but Jeremy is 100% right on this. It is obvious to anyone who watches film what the gap is.

 

The highest scoring team in the league says hi.

 

[BillsVet]

9 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Maybe next time they should play on Beane's side of the field and ask him why his staff is so bad at evaluating DL talent that they have to spend millions in free agency and heavy-weight their draft picks there every single offseason.

 

Or, why they struggle with college WR evals and just decide not to pick those guys because it's too risky.  Unlike about 30 other teams.  

[Doc Brown]

I would've laughed if Jeremy or Joe said explain Philly's offense then.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 hours ago, Tony P said:

I love the way BB came into the conversation. Seems like the "WR train" talk on 'gr is a constant topic. Bad radio imo. WR is not the reason the Bills have not advanced in the playoffs. The "d" has come up small year after year. I was hoping that the Bills focused heavily on strengthening that side of the ball in this draft.

 

Eagles showed the way.

 

Whose fault is that though? I don't mind Beane calling them out on other stuff...but Beane and McD have failed with the D year after year in a historically incompetent manner. There's never been a QB that's played this well in the playoffs overall and has nothing to show for it the way Allen has. 

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Congrats to Beane!

 

We scored more points than any other team last year and everyone wants another WR.

 

What we need to do is stop others from scoring as many points as us...especially post season.

 

 

 

We've needed that for like the last 6 years though and they've spent plenty of resources only to come up empty on defense in a huge way. There is something to say about the lack of credibility they've built to accomplish what we need on that side of the ball. 

[Andrew Son]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I would've laughed if Jeremy or Joe said explain Philly's offense then.  

Who scored more points?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Maybe next time they should play on Beane's side of the field and ask him why his staff is so bad at evaluating DL talent that they have to spend millions in free agency and heavy-weight their draft picks there every single offseason.

 

Exactly! And ask why even then Beane and McD can't manage to put together a defense that can at least be decent in the playoffs. 

24 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

Beane and McDermott are coached by Derek Boyko and typically are measured with their words.  There haven’t been too many “Whaley moments” in the press.  
 

I wouldn’t be shocked if he was sending a message in the media to the maligned WR’s to motivate them.  

 

Beane is much more candid and transparent than a lot of GM's and I actually appreciate that...but he did kind of have a "how are you guys doubting us" kind of energy which I don't get. Like what have McBeane done on the defensive side of the ball that would rationally have someone trust them that they'll now hit on their picks and strategy and come up big...forget big even just come up decent...in January?