Brandon Beane on WGR

[TheFunPolice]

We drafted a 340 pound DT and the words "slim down" did not come out of Beane's mouth.

 

For that, he deserves nothing but thanks and praise! 

 

Chances are quite good, given this staff's track record with DBs, that one or more of the CBs drafted will turn out to be very good. That is huge, because you have cost control for a few years at a premium position. 

 

Beane would be annoyed with me as a host because the entire segment would be a hype session for the big DT! LOL 

 

 

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Where are you getting 70% from?  I found an analysis from 2023 that he threw from clean pockets almost 45% of the time.  Where is this 70% of dropbacks he leaves the pocket?

 

I found one post showing that Allen stayed in the pocket for roughly 57% of passes through the first 5 weeks of this year, which is slightly (like 3% lower) than league average.

 

Again, nothing about leaving the pocket 70% of the time

I'm clearly exaggerating the 70% and literally zero chance on earth exists that Allen stays in the pocket at the league average. As soon as they have better transparency on offensive production in and out of the pocket you will have your key to why our offense is what it is.  

Edited 4 hours ago by Mikie2times

[ndirish1978]

2 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I approve of the defensive heavy approach in the draft and believe it was the right course of action, both for our biggest needs and because the draft crop this year was way more talented on that side of the ball. But that does not mean that the criticism of Beane for the status of the wide receiver room is unwarranted.

 

The offseason is not over yet. As evidenced by the visit of Elijah Moore today, they don't think the WR room is good to go. After a certain point in the draft you're drafting developmental talent that can't be banked on to come in and unseat vets. I think it's pretty logical to think "we did't get a guy in the top few rounds at WR because we were addressing needs that we cannot run out and sign in free agency, I can take a swing at a traitsy WR (like we did with Shakir and the coaches didn't count on him consistently for a couple years) or I can continue drafting depth at positions we have no depth at and make sure we have sufficient resources on ST, then we can supplement the WR room with vets where we know what we're getting when we sign them." Beane said he didn't think the board would line up so that their WR pick was in the 7th, he has shown that he agrees we could use another person in there, but the constant chirping about it is really boring. 

[Cray51]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

I'm clearly exaggerating the 70% and literally zero chance on earth exists that Allen stays in the pocket at the league average. As soon as they have better transparency on offensive production in and out of the pocket you will have your key to why our offense is what it is.  

I mean... the 2023 and 2024 stats I could find point to him being in a clean pocket at an above average rate, and him staying in the pocket at a slightly below average rate.  That's not even addressing the situation of designed plays where allen moves with the line, which I know the Bills like to pull their tackles for RPOs.

 

I understand the feeling that Allen leaves the pocket a lot and is forced out, but frankly the statistics measure him at an average rate.

[ndirish1978]

18 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Didn’t like the way Beane came in hot. Valid questions were asked regardless of our point totals and per game last year. Lost respect for Beane after that nonsense. Grow a pair and answer the concerns of your fans and media without belittling them with fantasy football nonsense. You scored 30+ because you have Josh Allen don’t act like it’s much more than that. Invest in him with cheap long term options instead of expensive jags that other teams didn’t want and maybe get a player that can stretch the field and keep the safeties honest so Josh isn’t playing backyard 7 on 7 football

 

So we scored 30 and we still have Josh Allen, what's your point? We lost in the playoffs because our D was horrendous. They spent the draft addressing the Defense. I would be quite upset if we hadn't double dipped at DT, which they did. They also double dipped at CB to try to maximize the chance we have a player on the roster who can fill that spot? This is the perfect example of someone complaining just to complain. Which pick exactly would you have wanted Beane to draft a WR instead of who was drafted? Who would you have picked and why are they better for the team NOW than the player picked. 

 

Oh and I could care less that you "didn't like the way he came in hot." Your argument is simply "you work for me, tell me how my opinion is valid and special and why you're wrong."

Edited 3 hours ago by ndirish1978

[buffblue]

Just now, ndirish1978 said:

 

The offseason is not over yet. As evidenced by the visit of Elijah Moore today, they don't think the WR room is good to go. After a certain point in the draft you're drafting developmental talent that can't be banked on to come in and unseat vets. I think it's pretty logical to think "we did't get a guy in the top few rounds at WR because we were addressing needs that we cannot run out and sign in free agency, I can take a swing at a traitsy WR (like we did with Shakir and the coaches didn't count on him consistently for a couple years) or I can continue drafting depth at positions we have no depth at and make sure we have sufficient resources on ST, then we can supplement the WR room with vets where we know what we're getting when we sign them." Beane said he didn't think the board would line up so that their WR pick was in the 7th, he has shown that he agrees we could use another person in there, but the constant chirping about it is really boring. 

If he hadn't repeatedly boxed himself into a corner at the position I might agree with you and have a little bit more faith. But as many, many others have stated this isn't the first year we're having this conversation. I don't think it is arguable that he places a lower emphasis on the position, then gets reactive to the situation he created in the first place. 

[corta765]

4 hours ago, Tony P said:

I love the way BB came into the conversation. Seems like the "WR train" talk on 'gr is a constant topic. Bad radio imo. WR is not the reason the Bills have not advanced in the playoffs. The "d" has come up small year after year. I was hoping that the Bills focused heavily on strengthening that side of the ball in this draft.

 

Eagles showed the way.

The Eagles also have two incredible WRs including one who is beast all pro.

The point with the WR is it can make Josh's life easier if you have some real talent. Buffalo punted on drafting WR for years and then last year moved back in a draft they should have moved up... WHILE also trading with KC for a WR that proceeded to burn Buffalo in the playoffs.

 

No one is denying the Bills defense desperately needed more beef and Beane has done that in spades. I agree with you that it was a huge need and it would be welcome for the defense to stop allowing 30 pts a game in playoff games. There is also a world though where the Bills were more proactive before the Coleman pick to help strength the WR corp and it didn't happen. After Shakir the remaining pass catching group is C+ maybe B- type guys.

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

I mean... the 2023 and 2024 stats I could find point to him being in a clean pocket at an above average rate, and him staying in the pocket at a slightly below average rate.  That's not even addressing the situation of designed plays where allen moves with the line, which I know the Bills like to pull their tackles for RPOs.

 

I understand the feeling that Allen leaves the pocket a lot and is forced out, but frankly the statistics measure him at an average rate.

Then post where your data is coming from given this topic and the data sources associated with it are not exactly consistent nor understood. 

[Allen2Moulds]

3 hours ago, MikePJ76 said:

I don’t find him arrogant at all.  

Same here.  I generally agree with most of what Jeremy White talks about. 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

are you really trying to argue that we have even a third of the weapons the Bengals do? He was a back up QB that came in and nearly led them to the playoffs. You're talking about Tyrod Taylor? Get a grip man.  

 

Nope not at all.  

 

Browning went 4-3 and averaged 215 yards per game and 23 ppg lol, threw 12 TD/7 INT's.  Yeah, he was on fire lol.

 

Back to the point on if I'm arguing the Bengals have the 1/3 of the weapons.....again I'm not.  What I will argue is we have a better offensive unit overall as in the 11 starters and others that come in and play a lot.

It's why we went 13-4 and the Bengals, with Joe Burrow having an incredible season (just under 5,000 yards/43 TD's) and didn't make the playoffs.  

Well, I can tell you it's because Burrow was sacked 48 times.  Josh Allen, 14 times.  We scored more points

But I expect you to give another wild exaggeration like Josh Allen was pressured in under 2 seconds on every snap.   

Can you show me a stat that says 70% of Josh Allen's throws are outside of the pocket?  

[bouds]

Glad they got under his skin to be honest.  LOL

 

These are valid concerns, they haven't drafted enough WRs, but they haven't drafted well on DL either, so we are doing catch up because of past mistakes, which falls on Beane.  Anyway, I like hearing discussion like this, even if he's super defensive about it.

[Doc Brown]

On the one hand it gave us a good glimpse of how Beane views our current offense.  On the other hand, I wish he didn't go through with the rant.  He showed that the lions are concerning themselves with the opinions of the sheep.

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

He's on now and I have never seen/heard Brandon Beane so salty on an interview.  He is prickly about the WR/draft conversation.  Interesting interaction and not the usual Beane interview.

This was hilarious.  The best part is that WGR added video via YouTube so you can see how taken back Jeremy and Joe were.  They didn’t know how respond as Jeremy babbled and talked in circles while Joe was frozen and silent.  
 

Beane sounds very defensive not only for the discussion this morning on the air but he fielded a bunch of WR questions at the draft press conferences this weekend.  He came out swinging on air which was great.  
 

But I think you can be very much skeptical of the WR position on Buffalo so I don’t think their complaints were unfair.  Beane seems to think the answers are on the roster where many fans don’t have faith in Samuel, Kincaid and Coleman and aren’t overly impressed by Palmer.  
 

In the end, which side will be right?  We’ll find out 

[Allen2Moulds]

It must of struck a nerve, for Beane to react like that.

 

That being said, you don't have be all in on either side of this argument.

 

If you don't like a particular prospect, that's one thing, but we did allocate most of our resources to completely rebuild our dline, and secondary room, by adding speed, youth, and athletic ability.  I know that most of us here, had been begging for this for years. 

 

I thought there was an opportunity there to grab a Jalen Royals or a Tory Horton type, but we passed altogether on that idea. But....we will see come Sept, who can, and can't play.  

 

 

[Success]

Of course, he's right.

 

For starters - some of the criticism re: not going for a receiver in the mid-rounds is mystifying.  This was a weak WR draft - unless we went 1st or 2nd round again, it's extremely unlikely that we'd get anyone better than what we have right now.  Even a "speed" guy would have minimal impact - we weren't getting a WR 2 or 3 in those rounds.

 

But beyond that - the offense has rarely been the issue.  As he said, we are often one of the league leaders in scoring.  

 

I'm thrilled w/ how the draft went, and their strategy.  Seems like every guy we got in the 1st 4 rounds was projected higher, and they could all have an immediate impact.  We won't know until the playoffs - but for once, it would be nice if the D didn't let us down, and could actually control a game.

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Went harder about what. The “lack of WR” content is overstated and annoying. It may be white’s opinion but state your case and move on. Continuing to Argue with the GM of the team that fields an elite offense just for the sake of what 

 
Isn’t that what they did? I don’t even like the morning crew but that caught them off guard and clearly looked to move on. Because we had an elite offense nobody can complain about a WR?

[RichRiderBills]

...but then Beane brings in Elijah Moore on a visit...SMH....white and crew deserve better. They are good at their job and support the Bills. 

 

Sabres? Maybe not so much. 

 

At any rate, Beane kinda overreacts here. 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Beane is treating the WR room like Pegula is treating Kevyn Adams. 

 

The answers are in the room.

 

We'll see, but I'd be shocked if the Bills aren't drafting a WR is round 1 or 2 next year.

 

Reactive drafting rather than proactive drafting is a big reason why this team hasn't won yet. Every year the Bills chase a positional group to try to overcome the Chiefs, rather than building a team with the best chance to win.

[JohnNord]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

On the one hand it gave us a good glimpse of how Beane views our current offense.  On the other hand, I wish he didn't go through with the rant.  He showed that the lions are concerning themselves with the opinions of the sheep.

Beane and McDermott are coached by Derek Boyko and typically are measured with their words.  There haven’t been too many “Whaley moments” in the press.  
 

I wouldn’t be shocked if he was sending a message in the media to the maligned WR’s to motivate them.  

[NeverOutNick]

19 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

So we scored 30 and we still have Josh Allen, what's your point? We lost in the playoffs because our D was horrendous. They spent the draft addressing the Defense. I would be quite upset if we hadn't double dipped at DT, which they did. They also double dipped at CB to try to maximize the chance we have a player on the roster who can fill that spot? This is the perfect example of someone complaining just to complain. Which pick exactly would you have wanted Beane to draft a WR instead of who was drafted? Who would you have picked and why are they better for the team NOW than the player picked. 

I’m glad you asked what I would do. Even if it were sarcastic. I wouldn’t have traded up for TJ sanders (feels like they’re admitting they missed on Carter, which kudos for being honest). 
 

If I were going to trade up that high why not go a couple more picks higher and grab Luther Burden, the most explosive WR in the class and a kid that can do it all and fills the vertical threat we need. Or stay put with the 2 picks at the end of the 2nd and take Kyle Williams, best vertical threat in the draft instead of Sanders. 
 

If they really needed sanders then fine at the bottom of the 4th to the top of the 5th grab Horton or Watkins. 
 

But I do like the players selected in that range. So let’s say they just couldn’t part with the TE they wanted (I actually like the corners selected in that range because I believe Hancock can be a free safety and get rid of Hamlin). How about this last ditch effort, can we trade a 7th rounder next year to move up and grab Tez Johnson? Yes combine sucked but the kid is a proven deep threat and very good returner. 
 

I like most of the defensive players we selected but the trades up for DT, bypassing vertical threats made it obvious that the FO and McD don’t value keeping the WR cupboard young and cheap imo

Edited 3 hours ago by NeverOutNick