Brandon Beane on WGR

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, LEBills said:

I dont think so. His job is predicated on winning. At the end of the season either the WR room is good enough or the WR room isn’t good enough faction will be right. If the latter is, he will probably take it more seriously next offseason. As a member of the latter, I hope the former crowd is right

 

I think everyone, even Beane himself, would LIKE to have better WRs. We'd all like all-pros at every position.

 

I think Beane's point was more along the lines of "we have to address the entire team, every position on every unit, and having all pro players everywhere just isnt possible". There is a finite amount of resources they can use and spend. We know the D was the weak link last year, so they focused on shoring it up.

 

As Beane said (and my favorite line from this morning): "This isnt fantasy football".

[SectionC3]

Let’s make another point in defense of Beane - in the KC playoff loss at home, we spent THE WHOLE GAME setting up the shot play to Diggs that may well have won the thing for us.  And what happens?  “WR1” drops the ball, which was one of the best throws I have ever seen in that stadium.  A veritable dime.  So we can pay these guys huge bucks and have someone cancel them, or have them prone to error, at the worst times.  Or we can work on enhancing our ability to stop opposing offenses while playing the same cards in the hand that yielded the highest scoring offense in the league last year.  It’s a no-brainer to me.  I’m with Beane.  

[BillsVet]

Beane demonstrating some performance theater for the fans.  Nothing more and nothing less than his schtick.   

 

Lot of people forget last year they were so set at WR after the draft he had to make a reference to working out a veteran NFL WR who turned out to be Quintez Cephus.  Then, 2 weeks later they signed MVS which indirectly acknowledged their limited WR contingent couldn't get down field.  

 

In fact, their WR plan was so good in 2024, that after Josh got his head slammed against the turf in Baltimore and going 9 for 30 at Houston Weeks 4 and 5 respectively they traded for Amari Cooper.   

 

Jeremy and Joe, despite what anyone thinks of them, have every right to question a franchise which essentially just replicated their negligent WR moves.  

Edited 4 hours ago by BillsVet

[NeverOutNick]

Didn’t like the way Beane came in hot. Valid questions were asked regardless of our point totals and per game last year. Lost respect for Beane after that nonsense. Grow a pair and answer the concerns of your fans and media without belittling them with fantasy football nonsense. You scored 30+ because you have Josh Allen don’t act like it’s much more than that. Invest in him with cheap long term options instead of expensive jags that other teams didn’t want and maybe get a player that can stretch the field and keep the safeties honest so Josh isn’t playing backyard 7 on 7 football

[todd]

2 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

Everyone saying that we have the highest scoring offense, points per game, ect. Yes, we do but our last two seasons have ended with 17 having the ball in his hands with a chance to win and nobody could get open and/or dropped passes. Beane pointing out the obvious grand slam he hit drafting Allen and ignoring the many high pick whiffs he's had recently I think was wrong.

I'd love to hear an explanation how WRs lost the game vs the defense. The answer is pretty clear. It's the defense, and has been for years. Beane did the right thing by focusing on D in the draft. That is fact.

[Alphadawg7]

30 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Allen is not a general manager

 

and how many games did Allen have to win with super human plays?

 

Well considering our point differential and the fact we had an NFL record for most wins by 20+ points in NFL history this year...I would say...not many. 

 

No disrespect bud, but doesn't matter who our WR's are...Allen is going to make super human plays no matter what.  You can't just say he is making them because of who the WR's are...he made them when we had a top 5 WR in Diggs, maybe the best slot WR in the game at the time in Cole, and vets and deep threats around him like Davis, Sanders, and Brown.  Still making super human plays...that is who Allen is.  

 

So you can't also then say he is only doing it because you don't like who the WR's are.  

 

And people need to stop pretending it was all Allen too...go back and watch the biggest moments in our closest wins.  Guys all over the offense were making big plays that either were not Allen, not even a pass, or bailed Allen out.  And Allen would be the first person to tell you that himself.

[transient]

22 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I thought they beat us because our offense had the ball with a chance to win (both times in the last two years) and couldn’t score. Could’ve used a great wr threat on those drives. 

In your heart of hearts do you really think if the Bills HAD scored in either game that the Bills defense would have kept KC out of the end zone on the ensuing drive?
 

It’s the Bills defense that keeps putting the offense in those situations of having to win the game at the last minute, not the other way around. There has not been a single defining defensive stop in any of those playoff games, meanwhile Allen has had multiple defining offensive drives wasted by their defensive ineptness.
 

If Kincaid holds on to that ball I know in my heart it would have been that much harder to bear when the defense threw up on itself again the next series. 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, BillsVet said:

Beane demonstrating some performance theater for the fans.  Nothing more and nothing less than his schtick.   

 

Lot of people forget last year they were so set at WR after the draft he had to make a reference to working out a veteran NFL WR who turned out to be Quintez Cephus.  Then, 2 weeks later they signed MVS which indirectly acknowledged their limited WR contingent couldn't get down field.  

 

In fact, their WR plan was so good in 2024, that after Josh got his head slammed against the turf in Baltimore and going 9 for 30 at Houston Weeks 4 and 5 respectively they traded for Amari Cooper.   

 

Jeremy and Joe, despite what anyone thinks of them, have every right to question a franchise which essentially just replicated their negligent WR moves.  

Coop was replaced (maybe upgraded) with Palmer.  Samuel is healthier now than he was last year.  Coleman has experience.  Shakir is a stud. Kincaid won’t have two friggin broken kneecaps.  It’s not an unreasonable play to run it back.  

[LEBills]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I think everyone, even Beane himself, would LIKE to have better WRs. We'd all like all-pros at every position.

 

I think Beane's point was more along the lines of "we have to address the entire team, every position on every unit, and having all pro players everywhere just isnt possible". There is a finite amount of resources they can use and spend. We know the D was the weak link last year, so they focused on shoring it up.

 

As Beane said (and my favorite line from this morning): "This isnt fantasy football".

I understand his point, I still think resources could have been used differently to help both sides of the ball. But it’s in the past, as my post said I hope the receiver room is good enough with where the rest of the team is at to finally get us a superbowl.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

That would be ideal. But often unrealistic, especially in the playoffs, against a great team.

 

It isnt unrealistic considering the Chiefs O sucked last year, never scored more than 30 in any other game. Only scored 23 in their playoff win against the Texans and were held to only 22 in their Super Bowl loss.

 

Letting them score 32 and not getting off the field on plenty of 3rd down opportunities is what killed us.

 

For the folks pounding the table for a WR saying "we cant expect Allen to do it all himself", I'd say that quote applies even more to the Defense. How about just for once, they show up, dont get fooled by simple stuff, make a stop, and dont put it on Josh to pull another game-winning drive out of his butt.

[PrimeTime101]

54 minutes ago, MWK said:

Did the defense drop the ball on the last drive? Not saying the defense isn't the main problem, but come on. 

Our Game against KC and then the SB proved one thing.. 

 

ONE THING ONLY!

 

Defense's win championships. 

 

Period. 

 

And then Jeremy goes on about WR` Visits... WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DRAFT...  Slamming Beane about the draft. Thats what WGR was doing.. Nothing to do about Post Draft..  Chips did not fall well for WR on a very BAD WR Draft.. 

 

get over it... 

 

We got Palmer.. who played for BAD QB's last year that had more total yards last year then Hollins. 

... Don't get me wrong.. I wanted a fast WR as well this draft.. Chips did not fall that direction.

[Draconator]

5 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

That would be ideal. But often unrealistic, especially in the playoffs, against a great team. So whichever side gets the chance to close out a game late should step up and do it. Both defense and offense have failed in those situations in big games. 
 

I have more faith in Allen and the offense to get it done the next time they’re in a similar situation. Getting great receivers would help with accomplishing that goal. 
 

NFL defenses, no matter how great, get gassed towards the end of games. Relying on the defense to hold up in big playoff games will result in more losses than wins 

If the defense got another couple of stops, earlier in the game, rather than allowing early scoring drives, the offense would not be in the position to win the game on the last drive. And in the first playoff game where we needed a big time receiver, we had Diggs, a big time receiver, and he failed us. So a receiver in the 4th round of this draft would not make one difference in a playoff game. Someone like Palmer or Shakir will. 

[KOKBILLS]

Full disclosure I've never been much of a Jeremy White fan...

 

I've listened every morning since WGR first started streaming... So that's a LONG time now... I think Jeremy has decent takes at times but overall he's very obviously WR obsessed. I mean... Anyone who listens knows this. And they should also know Jeremy's team building strategy is quite literally that the Bills should basically mortgage everything for the next 3-5 years. And he would like that investment to come mainly at WR because, again, he's WR obsessed.

 

I feel like Jeremy took the Fantasy Football thing wrong because the default for people who truly don't know...and love Fantasy Football...is to be defensive and say it was an attack to belittle. Beane explained exactly what he meant. He believes in building an entire team and that starts with the QB, protecting the QB, and the trenches... Fantasy Football is QB's, WR's, RB's and TE's... That's what Beane was saying. He literally said it. He was not trying to belittle. He was talking about roster building. He traded a 1st round pick for Diggs and extended him. He'll add at WR if he thinks the value matches up.  I really don't doubt that about Beane. 

 

The football argument to be made, and asked about WR with the Bills, is whether or not a field stretching WR will further open up this offense. If getting someone who is a legit deep threat will actually improve Kincaid, Shakir, and Coleman underneath. I think that is what the Bills are missing, and I think that is a legit football discussion. I also wonder why the Bills seem to undervalue some of these mid-round guys I, and many other teams, obviously value higher. He continuously says the value was not there. I don't know. I valued both Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker higher as developmental WR's than DT DeWayne Carter. But maybe the Bills bump the trenches? I definitely valued Jaylen Royals higher than Deone Walker, but with the Bills needs at DT I get it... I think those are legit questions to ask a GM. But I think Beane felt like he said it enough this weekend that the guys they liked at WR, when they picked where they picked, were gone...and that's that... 

 

I do agree with Jeremy on one thing... It's easy for a GM to talk about their board and value without ever showing us their board and explaining how they value. But I'm not sure how you could watch this team last year and care all that much about what they are going to do with a 4th or 5th WR... Do I think they need a field stretcher? Yes I do...Absolutely... Do I think that need pales in comparison to just about every pick they made in this Draft... Yep... Pretty much... 

[Chicharito]

Good Jermey white is a D-Bag!

[buffblue]

24 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Imagine being the highest scoring team in the NFL last year when you include the playoffs, set franchise record for points, become the only team in the history of the NFL to have both 30 rushing and passing TDs during the same year and still have people act like he doesn't know what he is doing on offense.  Comical really.

Things aren't linear. There is only so much predictive value to be taken from a season where the offense stayed very healthy (remarkably so at offensive line) and set a league record for fewest turnovers. These are anomalies. Will Buffalo still be a good offense? Of course, they have Josh Allen. But to act like all the Bills have to do is line up and the same results will follow is foolish, especially with no notable personnel upgrades. Teams fluctuate wildly year over year in things like record in one score games, man games lost to injuries, takeaway/giveaway ratio, etc. There's an element of randomness that can't be discounted, and if you're not actively trying to improve certain elements of the roster the results may not be what is expected due to past performance.

 

I approve of the defensive heavy approach in the draft and believe it was the right course of action, both for our biggest needs and because the draft crop this year was way more talented on that side of the ball. But that does not mean that the criticism of Beane for the status of the wide receiver room is unwarranted.

[DrDawkinstein]

43 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Allen is not a general manager

 

and how many games did Allen have to win with super human plays?

 

Right. We have a top-scoring, high powered offense averaging over 30 points a game, and Allen still has to pull out victories with super human plays. That's a Defense issue.

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Want to fault Beane for getting stuck with Kincaid and not trading up for Addison?  That’s a fair point.   But having watched the last two years, I can’t believe that anyone has an issue with rebuilding the DL in this draft, even at the expense of the WR group.  

 

FWIW - As I shared on the board during that draft, I know for a fact we called the Chargers to try and move up, and it was to get Addison.  Chargers had no Interest in moving off their pick as they were all in on Quentin, and I have that from 2 sources directly connected to the matter.  

[NeverOutNick]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Right. We have a top-scoring, high powered offense averaging over 30 points a game, and Allen still has to pull out victories with super human plays. That's a Defense issue.

Most of all that’s a coaching issue

[ndirish1978]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

I haven't listened to his show, has he been campaigning for a first round pick on a WR and complaining about that, or did he want a speed WR in the mid rounds or FA? The latter I don't have a problem with. If he's complaining they didn't go after a super high-end receiver with draft capital or FA money then I agree with Beane that you can't have everything

He injects it into every conversation. Before the draft Marino was listing options in the 1st and 2nd for our picks. After Joe listed the logical CB/DE/DT players that we could target White was always saying "and if we go WR, which guys are available." It's a constant nonstop drone. 

[Cray51]

The only thing I would say, if I had to choose something around the WR room to criticize Beane about - I really wanted Darnell Mooney last year and felt he would be a true #2 WR.  We went with Samuel at a much lower rate, but I was comfortable paying a bit more for Mooney.

 

Otherwise, I dont really see too much to argue with Beane about when it comes to his receiver approach.  Maybe taking Ladd over Coleman, or potentially bringing someone else in FA.  But when you see what the FA WRs are getting from bad teams, I'm not shocked Beane has instead focused towards other positions where you can obtain good talent without breaking the bank