Brandon Beane on WGR

[Southern Bills Fan]

It's weird because in each of the past 2 offseasons it was Beane and McDermott that said they need more speed and more of a downfield threat and then Beane gets upset when asked why they haven't done it. 

[DrDawkinstein]

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Beane was 100% spot on, this was one of my favorite Beane moments of his tenure...hats off to him, loved this.  

 

Agreed. Love it. Get em.

[Peace Frog]

I figure it this way: if we had Philly's offense from the Super Bowl, would we have beaten the Chiefs in the AFCCG?  Probably not. If we had their defense?  Absolutely.

[TheFunPolice]

According to the way these morning guys are reacting we're getting into "Trump reacts on Truth Social" territory. 

 

In reality, the GM (who likely feels a sense of "guys, we know each other so we can talk like real humans talk") gave a little back to them. I don't think it was mean spirited at all. 

 

Beane seems to like some give and take, and they've known each other for years now. It sounded like a group of guys talking sports. 

 

The radio guys acted like Beane insulted their very humanity. LOL 

 

Beane was 100% spot on about building the OL to protect Allen. That's an underappreciated part of this team. 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by TheFunPolice

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Heard a bit of it. Most animated I've ever heard beane. 

 

I think the wr issue is the fact that we saw what Allen could do with beasley, Diggs and Davis. I get beanes argument, they were the top offense in the nfl last year, however, betting on that again I think is a little ignorant Imo. The bills still don't have a true number 1, and that might ok, time will tell, but betting on Coleman and kinkaid and jacobs is a bit risky. Just my 2 cents 

 

No disrespect...I am not not follwing the bolded...why is "betting on that again" a little ignorant?  The offense we ran last year wasn't a one year gimmick due to lack of resources at WR.  It is who we are moving forward, and its not like we kept getting lucky week after week.  We scored over 30 like 8 straight games if I am not mistaken on our way to avg 31 points despite Allen sitting weeking 17 and offense pretty much going into hibernation for whole quarters, even some 2nd halves in big blow out wins.  

 

And, on paper at least, I think there is a legit case to say our weapons are better today then when we last walked off the field.  Coleman got a bit lost coming back from injury, but pre-injury he was very promising and should be better as a year 2 WR and healthy than he was as a rookie. Allen even said Keon has been hitting him up all offseason on getting better, getting even more on the same page in terms of timing and thinking in live play, etc.  Then you have Palmer who is an upgrade over the ghost of Cooper and Hollins in terms of a downfield receiver.  Shakir has done nothing but ascend each year, so not unreasonable to expect to see him be even better, Samuel is healthy entering the season, and Kincaid is healthy again where he was playing hurt most the season last year.  Year 3 for him I expect to see a step forward as well.  

 

I mean this offense just led to Allens first MVP, we still have a dominant OL, best QB in football, and a great run game as well.  I don't see how expecting the offense or betting on it to be good again is ignorant.  It seems more silly to expect a big fall off than to expect it to be a top 5 offense again.

[whorlnut]

2 hours ago, LEBills said:

Super unprofessional, but good to hear the WR conversation is getting to Beane’s ears. Be vigilant in upgrading the room now and going forward Beane.

I wonder if there will be some stubbornness about wr going forward with Beane?  I mean…grown men dont like to be told how to do things and even go out of their way to do the opposite in a lot of situations. Of course we all know this will not likely happen, but I’m sure Beane is gonna wanna be right in this and not feel like he’s giving in to the fans.  

[DrDawkinstein]

4 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

I figure it this way: if we had Philly's offense from the Super Bowl, would we have beaten the Chiefs in the AFCCG?  Probably not. If we had their defense?  Absolutely.

 

Yep.

 

We were the ONLY team all season that the Chiefs scored over 30 points on.

 

They scored only 22 points against Philly. Had we held them to 22, or even 28, we win the KC game.

[Logic]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

According to the way these morning guys are reacting we're getting into "Trump reacts on Truth Social" territory. 

 

In reality, the GM (who likely feels a sense of "guys, we know each other so we can talk like real humans talk") gave a little back to them. I don't think it was mean spirited at all. 

 

Beane seems to like some give and take, and they've known each other for years now. It sounded like a group of guys talking sports. 

 

The radio guys acted like Beane insulted their very humanity. LOL 

 

Agreed.

WGR hosts spend hours and hours and hours on-air questioning the GM's moves, sometimes downright insulting his roster management....and then act completely flabbergasted and deeply insulted when they get the slightest amount of pushback?

I think they're just not at all used to actually being challenged on air. They normally have the power over anyone that calls in, because they can (and do) just hang up on callers and then badmouth them and their talking points. Can't exactly do that with the GM of an NFL team.

Whether I agree with Beane or not (and I mostly do), I think is response was funny and reasonable, and I think their defensiveness and snippiness after the call ("we're not here to be belittled") is petty and typical.

[Don Otreply]

WGR is the armpit of sports talk radio, has been for years and years, it’s the show that always whimpers about something, 

[SectionC3]

This too shall pass.  Beane probably could have been a little calmer.  But there’s a human point that he has spent tens of thousands of hours on his craft, and has to stand by and take public criticism from guys who are functionally illiterate in that area.  

 

And his points are fair ones.  I’ll add this (not having seen anything other than the short YouTube clip): how quickly we forget bringing in castoffs like Linval Joseph, Zion Logue, Jordan Phillips, and Quinton Jefferson mid-year to address a failing DT position group.  Want to fault Beane for getting stuck with Kincaid and not trading up for Addison?  That’s a fair point.   But having watched the last two years, I can’t believe that anyone has an issue with rebuilding the DL in this draft, even at the expense of the WR group.  

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No disrespect...I am not not follwing the bolded...why is "betting on that again" a little ignorant?  The offense we ran last year wasn't a one year gimmick due to lack of resources at WR.  It is who we are moving forward, and its not like we kept getting lucky week after week.  We scored over 30 like 8 straight games if I am not mistaken on our way to avg 31 points despite Allen sitting weeking 17 and offense pretty much going into hibernation for whole quarters, even some 2nd halves in big blow out wins.  

 

And, on paper at least, I think there is a legit case to say our weapons are better today then when we last walked off the field.  Coleman got a bit lost coming back from injury, but pre-injury he was very promising and should be better as a year 2 WR and healthy than he was as a rookie. Allen even said Keon has been hitting him up all offseason on getting better, getting even more on the same page in terms of timing and thinking in live play, etc.  Then you have Palmer who is an upgrade over the ghost of Cooper and Hollins in terms of a downfield receiver.  Shakir has done nothing but ascend each year, so not unreasonable to expect to see him be even better, Samuel is healthy entering the season, and Kincaid is healthy again where he was playing hurt most the season last year.  Year 3 for him I expect to see a step forward as well.  

 

I mean this offense just led to Allens first MVP, we still have a dominant OL, best QB in football, and a great run game as well.  I don't see how expecting the offense or betting on it to be good again is ignorant.  It seems more silly to expect a big fall off than to expect it to be a top 5 offense again.

Another good point.  It’s not like Beane ignored WR altogether.  Much like DL, we locked up one of our own (Shakir) and got a B-level FA at the position who fits a need (Palmer, relative to Hoecht).  

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

WGR is the armpit of sports talk radio, has been for years and years, it’s the show that always whimpers about something, 

That’s what talk radio and podcasts are all about.  And it’s why I don’t listen. 

[blacklabel]

For everyone saying they're "sIcK of HiM nOt aDdrEsSiNg it!" Let's just take a look at what he's done.... we'll start in 2019...

 

Signed John Brown, Cole Beasley, and had claimed Isaiah McKenzie the season before. Brown led the team in receiving, Beasley was clutch and they found a solid role for McKenzie. Also spent a 3rd on Dawson Knox who's been fine. 

 

2020: Trades a first for Stefon Diggs who leads the league in receiving that season. Spends a 4th on Gabe Davis and a 6th on Isaiah Hodgins, signed TE Tyler Kroft.

 

2021: Brought in Emmanuel Sanders, drafts Marquez Stevenson. 

 

2022: Signs Jamison Crowder, drafts Khalil Shakir. 

 

2023: Spends a 1st on Dalton Kincaid, adds Deonte Harty and Trent Sherfield.

 

2024: Drafts Keon Coleman in the 2nd, adds Curtis Samuel and Marquez Valdes-Scantling, trades for Amari Cooper.

 

This doesn't even point out how he added serviceable RBs like Singletary, Cook, and Davis, as well as claiming Ty Johnson. 

 

Now, obviously not everything worked out exactly as they would've liked. Some guys got hurt, some weren't as productive as they would've thought...but this idea that he never addresses it is bogus. 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by blacklabel

[LEBills]

2 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

I wonder if there will be some stubbornness about wr going forward with Beane?  I mean…grown men dont like to be told how to do things and even go out of their way to do the opposite in a lot of situations. Of course we all know this will not likely happen, but I’m sure Beane is gonna wanna be right in this and not feel like he’s giving in to the fans.  

I dont think so. His job is predicated on winning. At the end of the season either the WR room is good enough or the WR room isn’t good enough faction will be right. If the latter is, he will probably take it more seriously next offseason. As a member of the latter, I hope the former crowd is right

[90sBills]

1 minute ago, Draconator said:

And as I said before, the Offense should have never been in that position in the first place.

That would be ideal. But often unrealistic, especially in the playoffs, against a great team. So whichever side gets the chance to close out a game late should step up and do it. Both defense and offense have failed in those situations in big games. 
 

I have more faith in Allen and the offense to get it done the next time they’re in a similar situation. Getting great receivers would help with accomplishing that goal. 
 

NFL defenses, no matter how great, get gassed towards the end of games. Relying on the defense to hold up in big playoff games will result in more losses than wins 

[Cray51]

49 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Allen leaves the pocket on 70%+ of his drop backs. So if we want to sing the praises of our low sack rates, I think that's a little more complicated. Still, nobody said the line was poor. Never read it anywhere. It's what people lean in on to defend the lack of resources bestowed upon our offense. Meanwhile Gabe Davis leaves and goes on to average 30 yards per game when healthy last year for Jacksonville. He would be a #2 WR on this offense and you could argue he might even be a #1. I don't know how you can contort your view to call that average. Nobody from this team is leaving this offense, going to another team, and performing better. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. That includes the lineman. Josh accounts for so much production off script, this entire thing would become unrecognizable without him. So we partner that with a very good ground attack and say look at how good we are. Again, because of 17 for the most part. Back that out and we aren't even a league average unit. 

Where are you getting 70% from?  I found an analysis from 2023 that he threw from clean pockets almost 45% of the time.  Where is this 70% of dropbacks he leaves the pocket?

 

I found one post showing that Allen stayed in the pocket for roughly 57% of passes through the first 5 weeks of this year, which is slightly (like 3% lower) than league average.

 

Again, nothing about leaving the pocket 70% of the time

Edited 8 hours ago by Cray51

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

50 minutes ago, MWK said:

Did the defense drop the ball on the last drive? Not saying the defense isn't the main problem, but come on. 

What do you want the offense to do? The defense never makes any stops. It’s absolutely ridiculous to blame any playoff loss we had on anything else. It’s just that simple. I’m tired of hearing it. There’s no spot for a WR. It’s a room without enough plays to go around as is. There was never another WR coming in. The issue is we can’t stop the good QBs. That’s what we need fixed

[TheFunPolice]

2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

WGR is the armpit of sports talk radio, has been for years and years, it’s the show that always whimpers about something, 

 

These hosts are so bad... I almost never listen but tuned in this morning to hear what they had to say about the draft.

 

The questions are so generic and unimaginative. You have Brandon Beane on the line! 

 

How about: "Brandon, my favorite pick was Deone Walker from Kentucky. What do you say to critics who are worried about his center of gravity and ability to create leverage?"

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

WGR is the armpit of sports talk radio, has been for years and years, it’s the show that always whimpers about something, 

The follow up calls after beane are hilarious. All verify what the hosts saying. Coincidence? No. 

[muppy]

I think Beane is human and entitled to be testy and not always Mr. Sympatico All the time

 

He is hearing the WR criticism in his ear constantly and I'd be a big testy too if I were he too. 

 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by muppy

[gonzo1105]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

I've been one of the loudest "we need more WRs" voices the past couple seasons, but I respected Beane's demeanor and insistence here. It was certainly not his typical disposition on display.

I think the WR questions in the post-draft presser kinda caught him off guard, and then he happened to tune into the WGR show today right at the point where they were harping on the WR thing, and he just said "enough is enough". I bet if you gave him 10 minutes to take a deep breath and think about it before he want on air, he would've handled it a little bit differently. But...these guys are human, and I don't blame him for speaking the way he did. It also wasn't as severe as people are saying. Mostly I think people are just over-reacting to him using the word "bitching".

I can't argue much with what Beane said specifically: He can understand why people asked the WR question BEFORE last season, but after scoring more points than any other team in the NFL last season, the fan angst about WRs seems a bit misplaced. I also thought Beane's recent statement that it wasn't the offense letting them down in the playoffs, it was the defense (well, he didn't say the latter part, but it was implied) was on point.

I want another WR, too, but the fan angst about WRs HAS gotten out of hand in my opinion. You can tell the hosts were caught off guard and were not expecting any pushback. The way they went to commercial after the segment: "We're not playing fantasy football, and we're not here to be belittled, either". Yikes.

Like I said in another thread, it was a culmination of multiple days of it. Beane is very in tune with what the fans and media want and he doesn’t try to act like he doesn’t read the press clippings when you did. 
 

He was already irritated after day 2 with the press, the fans , and not saying he reads this board but plenty on this board  were displeased with the Sanders pick solely because he wasn’t 320+ plus DT. He even mentioned in the Day 3 presser about how the media kept pushing the narrative to him that they didn’t get big enough at DT.

 

T.J Sanders had his availability to the media and if you watch 9 minutes probably 6 to 7 mins of it was what did you play at South Carolina , did you play the 1T at all. What’s your playing weight? How high do you think you can play at. I’m sure Beane saw it and shook his head. 
 

So he listens to that and Day 3 comes out and his first pick is Deone Walker a guy they’ll play at the 1T who is very large and thinks the media will be happy about only to come out of the draft to questions about why he didn’t take a WR earlier and he’s probably thinking to himself WTF as the media rides him about that. 
 

So he keeps his cool, is probably pissed but he puts a lid on it only to come on the radio and find two more guys talking down to him about not taking a WR and that probably made him boil over to what you saw this morning. I don’t blame him. 
 

In the mock special, @GunnerBill correctly predicted 2/3 top picks, we talked extensively about T.J Sanders and when Gunner picked Alfred Collins at 62 I said in the podcast that I expect the Bills to address CB in round 1, take a 3T in round 2 and then I expected them to take either an Edge or a WR(they took Jackson) and then I said I expect them to take a 1T in the 4th round because the value was better there. Between the two of us we were spot on almost with the draft philosophy of the Bills and this draft. The only exception was waiting until the 7th to take a WR

[KentuckyBillsFan]

Sports just scrambles people's brains. It's perfectly logical to think we need to upgrade positions on defense and our pass catchers need to be be better. Both groups have let us down repeatedly in big moments.