Brandon Beane on WGR

[Mikie2times]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He was one of the most protected QB's last year.  When is the last time you heard a QB not sacked for an entire month?

So Allen is punishing Allen because he said he wanted Kincaid and Coleman?  

By all means, if you can measure how well a QB is "protected" after leaving the pocket after 2 seconds every drop back, let me know. That's on Josh usually with him bailing, but the call outs on how he doesn't get sacked are basically meaningless. The line is strong either way. Nobody said it wasn't. Our skill position players are trash. If you want to blame Allen for that it would be a hilarious plot turn in the many I have seen on here.  

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

They lose because of the defense. We all know that.

 

They lose because Patrick Mahomes is slightly better than Josh Allen.   

[Cray51]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

By all means, if you can measure how well a QB is "protected" after leaving the pocket after 2 seconds every drop back, let me know. That's on Josh usually with him bailing, but the call outs on how he doesn't get sacked are basically meaningless. The line is strong either way. Nobody said it wasn't. Our skill position players are trash. If you want to blame Allen for that it would be a hilarious plot turn in the many I have seen on here.  

Allen bailing every play is a very broad generalization of the offense.  Allen has a very very good oline in front of him and our skill players aren’t trash, they are league average 

[Gregg]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

 

They lose because Patrick Mahomes is slightly better than Josh Allen.   

 

I don't know about that. If you put Allen on KC with Reid, Spags, the Chiefs D then I think its Allen with the Super Bowl rings and Mahomes would still be trying to get to his first Super Bowl if he were on the Bills. Both are great players, but one player can't carry a team to a Super Bowl. 

[MWK]

7 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

They lose because of the defense. We all know that.

Did the defense drop the ball on the last drive? Not saying the defense isn't the main problem, but come on. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Flying to LA and I am loving listening to these guys try to clean this up.   They come back from a commercial and they replay it and bleep the word B word when they just let it go over and over in real time.  They are trying to defend themselves and look silly. It’s not that more we talent would not help.  It is 50% of what these guys talk about …it’s the obsession. 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, KentuckyBillsFan said:

"Throwing assets at the position" is literally what we've done to the defense for years

 

But his argument is going to be that they used a first on Kincaid, a 2nd on a guard, a 2nd on Coleman, a first on Diggs etc. A ton of money on Allen, Palmer, Shakir, Knox and Samuel and a ton of money on the offensive line. The players they have on the offensive side of the ball have a ton of unrealized upside. Drafting Troy Horton is not making this a Super bowl team.

 

The defense was God awful and slow and had zero upside. He changed all that with 1 draft. 

 

I am a Beane hater. I am on his side on this one. 

Edited 9 hours ago by MrEpsYtown

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Cray51 said:

Allen bailing every play is a very broad generalization of the offense.  Allen has a very very good oline in front of him and our skill players aren’t trash, they are league average 

Allen leaves the pocket on 70%+ of his drop backs. So if we want to sing the praises of our low sack rates, I think that's a little more complicated. Still, nobody said the line was poor. Never read it anywhere. It's what people lean in on to defend the lack of resources bestowed upon our offense. Meanwhile Gabe Davis leaves and goes on to average 30 yards per game when healthy last year for Jacksonville. He would be a #2 WR on this offense and you could argue he might even be a #1. I don't know how you can contort your view to call that average. Nobody from this team is leaving this offense, going to another team, and performing better. IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. That includes the lineman. Josh accounts for so much production off script, this entire thing would become unrecognizable without him. So we partner that with a very good ground attack and say look at how good we are. Again, because of 17 for the most part. Back that out and we aren't even a league average unit. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

By all means, if you can measure how well a QB is "protected" after leaving the pocket after 2 seconds every drop back, let me know. That's on Josh usually with him bailing, but the call outs on how he doesn't get sacked are basically meaningless. The line is strong either way. Nobody said it wasn't. Our skill position players are trash. If you want to blame Allen for that it would be a hilarious plot turn in the many I have seen on here.  

 

This is simply an extreme exaggeration but I feel you're going to argue it's not.

I don't believe Josh Allen was pressured 483 times in under 2 seconds on every single snap. 

 

Football is a team game.  We don't set franchise records in scoring because of one single individual.  

 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This is simply an extreme exaggeration but I feel you're going to argue it's not.

I don't believe Josh Allen was pressured 483 times in under 2 seconds on every single snap. 

 

Football is a team game.  We don't set franchise records in scoring because of one single individual.  

 

You assumed he needed to be pressured to leave the pocket? 

 

What does it look like without him? Maybe with Sam Darnold? You think it's a top 10 unit?

 

Oh please say yes.....🤣

[Big Blitz]

One other thing about the offense Beane should have added…..

 

Almost ALL of our points are legit.  We blow teams out.  
 

How many games are we down 2 plus scores and effectively “stat pad?”

 

 

I'm all for adding elite WRs.  But to act and carry ourselves like we’re behind the league and it’s our undoing is ridiculous.  
 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by Big Blitz

[TheFunPolice]

First off, I listened and I don't see the big deal. Beane pushed back a bit but it wasn't some acrimonious exchange, at least I didn't think so. 

 

These guys acted like he came on and just went off on them and "something huge happened" and it should be the topic of the entire day on all the shows. I get it show business wise, but come on. It was a mild disagreement at best. 

 

All that said, I think there is some serious pressure on this regime to close the deal and you're hearing a bit of that. 

 

You have 0 zero Super Bowl appearances so far during the superhuman phase of Josh Allen's career, where he has played at an MVP level for several years. 

 

Zac freaking Taylor has coached in a SB with Burrow. You have to get there, and you don't get forever. It's only going to get louder.

 

"But Harbaugh!" Yes. But Harbaugh. He does have a SB ring, though.

"But Tomlin!" Yes, but Tomlin. But he does have 1 ring and 2 total appearances. 

 

Both have been a while since they've been there but they got the job done. That never goes away, like it or not. Nor does not even getting there or not winning one. 

 

And the fact that anyone could bring up the names of long-tenured SB winning head coaches as "but ______" to support their argument that Beane and McDermott get forever just proves that point.

 

McDermott and Beane have a HOF possible all-time level of talent at QB and have never played in a SB. I think there's real pressure, which is fine and as it should be.

 

and BTW? A free agent WR is in for a visit today! LOL 

 

Edited 8 hours ago by TheFunPolice

[BuffaloBillyG]

All weekend long people cried about no speed WR being drafted. The Monday after the draft Beane brings a WR with speed that's the same age as some of those drafted over the weekend, has 4 years NFL experience, and is brimming with potential after playing wish some truly horrible QBs...

 

This same people "NOOOOO....not himmmm"

 

Who are you expecting to find this late in the off-season that's out on the FA market? Please. Mystify us with a name.

 

This would be a tremendous get for a talented kid that would add something we just don't have at the position. 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

How can they come at Beane like this??? His record of evaluating, drafting and signing WR talent is beyond reproach!!

[Billl]

In the past 2 seasons he’s added Dalton Kincaid, Curtis Samuel, Amari Cooper, Mack Hollins, and Keon Coleman.  They’ve combined to play in 17 postseason games.  That’s a full season worth of games, and the combined numbers are 34 catches for 423 yards and 4 TDs.  

 

The Bills are coming off a loss in the playoffs where their top receivers were Mack Hollins (gone), James Cook (holding out), Khalil Shakir (returning), and Amari Cooper (not under contract).  The rest of the team combined for 36 yards.  Of course you’re going to get asked about why there was such a lack of attention paid to the receiving room when the only additions have been Josh Palmer and a 7th round WR.  It’s a reasonable question, and I’m sure Beane could have had a reasonable response.  

 

At the end of the day, this doesn’t amount to anything other than some offseason entertainment.  It is kind of funny to see a GM go off on Western NY radio guys, though.  You’d be hard pressed to find a media market that puts their local teams under less of a microscope than Buffalo.

[Big Turk]

Imagine being the highest scoring team in the NFL last year when you include the playoffs, set franchise record for points, become the only team in the history of the NFL to have both 30 rushing and passing TDs during the same year and still have people act like he doesn't know what he is doing on offense.  Comical really.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Fact. Buffalo addressed more pressing needs

Also a fact. Buffalo does not often place premium value on the WR position. 

Also a fact:  Buffalo does not often place premium value on the WGR  opinions. 😁

2 hours ago, US Egg said:

The ‘GR guys are novices and can’t hold a candle to these legends.

 

Does Sullivan's shirt say 'HEDONIST'?

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[TheFunPolice]

Kincaid has been a disappointment. That can change, but he's been totally mediocre at best. 

 

Coleman as well. There's already rumblings that the coach was annoyed with him. 

 

Samuel was hurt all year and did almost nothing. 

 

So there's reason to question it. 

 

Beane gets it, which is why a WR is in today. Like I said, I don't see this conversation as anywhere near as adversarial as it was portrayed. They're really leaning into that on WGR, because it gets clicks. 

 

I like Beane and McDermott, but it's time to get it done. He's right to quote stats but how many times have they played in the Super Bowl? When you have a HOF talent at QB THAT is the measuring stick, not fantasy football offensive points scored numbers. 

[NoSaint]

31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

He was one of the most protected QB's last year.  When is the last time you heard a QB not sacked for an entire month?

So Allen is punishing Allen because he said he wanted Kincaid and Coleman?  

Allen is not a general manager

 

and how many games did Allen have to win with super human plays?

[Inigo Montoya]

You don't get bonus points if a WR scores a TD.   I just don't understand this "controversy" at all.  If the Bills were struggling to score points I think it would be a valid criticism....  But they're not.  In fact, their offense is prolific, elite, record setting, conference leading.

 

Josh Allen is so good you can get by with less in the WR room and still score 30 points a game.  Take the savings of not having a $25m a year WR on the roster and put those dollars into the defense which is clearly the weak link on the team.   It isn't 3D chess, it's freaking checkers.