Brandon Beane on WGR

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

My buddy is a huge Giants fan.  He has a tatoo of the Patriots logo with a hatchet in its head, blood, and it says "17-1 Slain"  lmao

I have a few giants fan friends who 6 week earlier were saying the Giants suck and how Eli needed to get benched. Amazing what a few weeks can change. 

[Shaw66]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

But they did that when they traded for Cooper last year off the heels of two games where having no vertical threat directly led to losses. They met with all of the vertical WRs in the pre-draft process this year too. Beane and McDermott have both openly stated they think adding more speed on offense would be valuable. So on one hand their actions and words tell you they know it is an important role, on the other hand the role remains unfilled as of now. I don't understand the plan, but hopefully they at least get a baseline option in the room.

The Cooper I saw last season was no more of a vertical threat than the other guys they were putting on the field. 

[Doc Brown]

13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It was Cam Newton being super human. But that model is not sustainable. At some point you need the eff it, Aj Brown will get open receiving option. 

Or a top TE (Kelce, Olson, Gronk).  We have neither.

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

The Cooper I saw last season was no more of a vertical threat than the other guys they were putting on the field. 

 

Yeah I disagree. Like I mentioned above Cooper's two deep completions in the Chiefs game won us the game. He had that crazy downfield catch for a TD against the Jets, which was our only TD pass all year of 20+ yards. No one else on the roster was making those plays. Most of our other downfield passes throughout the year were on broken plays where Allen just made magic happen all on his own. And opposing defenses agreed with me because once we added Cooper a lot of other things in our offense opened up. Opposing defenses weren't changing the way they played when it was just Coleman and Hollins running those routes, in fact they dared us to try them. Our passing offense had fallen apart and Cooper's addition got it back on track.

 

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[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, Process said:

Interesting that he brings up NE and how they won without elite WRs. Beane simply doesn't value WRs as much as other do when team building. It's nothing new or surprising, and something we just need to learn to accept. 

 

To be honest it's a fine strategy and one I've become more comfortable with....if the trade off is an elite defense that shows up in the playoffs. When you have a defense that falls apart when it matters and a lack of playmakers on offense, well the result is zero Superbowls. 

 

Hopefully all these additions on defense pays off. 

 

 

Must not be much money in having your own sports show.  McAfee can't afford a real shirt. 🙁

Edited 5 hours ago by Ridgewaycynic2013

[balln]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I disagree. Like I mentioned above Cooper's two deep completions in the Chiefs game won us the game. He had that crazy downfield catch for a TD against the Jets, which was our only TD pass all year of 20+ yards. No one else on the roster was making those plays. Most of our other downfield passes throughout the year were on broken plays where Allen just made magic happen all on his own. And opposing defenses agreed with me because once we added Cooper a lot of other things in our offense opened up. Opposing defenses weren't changing the way they played when it was just Coleman and Hollins running those routes, in fact they dared us to try them. Our passing offense had fallen apart and Cooper's addition got it back on track.

 

Yea beane keeps going to the well - we went 8 games straight of scoring 30! Scored more points than anyone….

 

But. - those two games vs playoff teams DIRECTLY before that streak. Ravens and Texans. The offense looked BAD. We had no WR / separation. Beane panicked and traded his highly coveted 3rd round to get Amari for half a season! And it wasn’t all roses and sunshine when he got here. McDermott was being super weird and coy like he was mad the trade was made. 
 

amari absolutely changed the offense dynamic. 
 

the problem w McDermott and Beane - is they get comfortable / settle.  We’re good enough here …. I’d argue - you never can get good enough unless you’re hoisting the Lombardi at the end of the year. Both the coach and gm every year after getting bounced by kc or crushed by Cincy - “we had a good year , keep trying” “don’t blow it up” then they cite their “accomplishments” div title , team ranks, ect ….

 

 

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, balln said:

Yea beane keeps going to the well - we went 8 games straight of scoring 30! Scored more points than anyone….

 

But. - those two games vs playoff teams DIRECTLY before that streak. Ravens and Texans. The offense looked BAD. We had no WR / separation. Beane panicked and traded his highly coveted 3rd round to get Amari for half a season! And it wasn’t all roses and sunshine when he got here. McDermott was being super weird and coy like he was mad the trade was made. 
 

amari absolutely changed the offense dynamic. 
 

the problem w McDermott and Beane - is they get comfortable / settle.  We’re good enough here …. I’d argue - you never can get good enough unless you’re hoisting the Lombardi at the end of the year. Both the coach and gm every year after getting bounced by kc or crushed by Cincy - “we had a good year , keep trying” “don’t blow it up” then they cite their “accomplishments” div title , team ranks, ect ….

 

 

They only get comfortable with offense - it’s ok, Josh will do it all. Presumably he thinks Palmer is Cooper’s replacement, him or a fully fit Coleman. At least one of them better be, otherwise it might be a case of deja vu come October.

[pennstate10]

49 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yes, except it might not all come together this season.  It might, if they hit on some of these rookies.  It's possible that these guys they've acquired will emerge as quality starters this season, but many of them may be a year away.  Which in my mind is okay - they're always building for continuous improvement. And given their draft position, they simply aren't likely to find an instant defensive stud in the draft. 

 

There are, in my mind, two players who have the potential to cause a major turnaround on the defense:  Hairston and Bosa.  If Hairston can start and Bosa can be Bosa, the defense will be a lot better. 

I posted this in a different thread. 
 

eagles beat KC not because of their pass rush, but because of their corners. Against the Bills , Mahomes was getting the ball out in <2.5 sec. And completing key third downs because our corners were to far back and gave up easy quick throws. Even the best edge isn’t getting there in 2 sec. 
 

The DL comes into play when Mahomes sees his first and second reads are covered. Now we are beyond 2.5 sec and DL can get home. 
 

I really think press coverage couple with aggressive pass rush is how you beat Mahomes. I’m hoping to see more aggressive CB play on 3rd and short /mid this year. 

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I find it weird that Beane and others say "don't forget about Kincaid" in the WR discussion, but then they point to the Pats dynasty use of WRs while intentionally leaving out a certain elite pass catcher that was kind of critical to their offense...

I have stated before that there was a lot of meat left on the bone as far as scheming Kincaid open and Allen connecting with him.

I hope they worked in the offseason on that timing and precision route running as they just seemed to be always a tick off and Kincaid was left making too many circus catches. They get that figured out it will go a long way to adding more production - heck KC marched to a SB one season with virtually no WRs of note and it was just the Jason Kelce and Mahomes show.

We forget about the coaching turnover an organization has year over year - it is the nature of the business. I think this team misses Chad Hall a bit when it comes to WR development - he was a good coach in that regards that players seemed to connect with.

They also realized that the defensive line took a step back last season when Eric Washington took his gig in Chicago and OBD took steps to address the coaching talent needs around the DL in anticipation of an infusion of rookies and FA players that will need to be coached up or acclimate to our defensive playbook.

[balln]

3 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

I posted this in a different thread. 
 

eagles beat KC not because of their pass rush, but because of their corners. Against the Bills , Mahomes was getting the ball out in <2.5 sec. And completing key third downs because our corners were to far back and gave up easy quick throws. Even the best edge isn’t getting there in 2 sec. 
 

The DL comes into play when Mahomes sees his first and second reads are covered. Now we are beyond 2.5 sec and DL can get home. 
 

I really think press coverage couple with aggressive pass rush is how you beat Mahomes. I’m hoping to see more aggressive CB play on 3rd and short /mid this year. 

But eagles play a lot of zone. They basically play the exact defense we want to. But I agree with your point. They played TIGHTER zone than we do. They matched quicker and faster - their safeties and DBs and Lbs are better…. 
 

I also think kc has such a familiarity w us. But not Philly. Led to a tough day for kc

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 hours ago, LEBills said:

When you combine MVS and Coopers (his replacement) snap counts, the Bills had 5 WRs who logged at least 34% of snaps.

 

Only 2 DTs, 2 DEs, and 3 CBs had more than 34% of snaps. Currently our 5th WR is Shavers, Shenault or Prather

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2024-snap-counts.htm

 

 

If they thought they needed a WR they would have gotten one

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

Yeah I was stating 3rd down defense in my posts...you jumped in off my "turnovers are volatile" comment.

 

So yes, it was about all of the above...the person originally commenting to me said I didn't account for turnovers.  

 

Baseball analogy- someone who hits .230 and 35 Homers vs a .290 player who hits 20 Homers

 

My point originally, was that our 3rd down defense isn't getting off the field.  Yes we get turnovers, but more importantly to me is getting off the field sooner.

 

Sorry, you may have missed this convo

 

Our 3rd down defense has to be better than last year. No question. Was only average in 2023 too. Basically been a problem since Leslie left.

[Shaw66]

40 minutes ago, balln said:

the problem w McDermott and Beane - is they get comfortable / settle.  We’re good enough here …. 

 

This is really ridiculous and contrary to everything they always say. Beane's JOB is to get better at every position, all the time. He certainly does not say to himself, "well we're good enough, so I won't look for others."

 

It's completely obvious that the Bills make very careful decisions about how they want to play the game, on offense and on defense, and then they acquire players who can play the way the Bills want. And those decisions are based in part on how they want to spend their money and their draft capital.  

 

In this case, the Bills clearly do not think it's necessary to spend a lot of money on wideouts to play the way they want to play.  

 

They didn't spend a lot of money or draft capital this season, just like they didn't draft a running back or pay Cook what he wants. They don't think they need to spend money to get the kind of players they want. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, balln said:

But eagles play a lot of zone. They basically play the exact defense we want to. But I agree with your point. They played TIGHTER zone than we do. They matched quicker and faster - their safeties and DBs and Lbs are better…. 
 

I also think kc has such a familiarity w us. But not Philly. Led to a tough day for kc

 

All of this is exactly right. They played zone and didn't blitz. It was the 2021 regular season Leslie Frazier gameplan. Their corners are just more talented and played with more confidence to go and get it receiver's faces before bailing out. 

 

But you are also right KC just know Buffalo so well and vice versa. 

[RichRiderBills]

Beane B word'n about bills fans when we have the best fans in the NFL. 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Our 3rd down defense has to be better than last year. No question. Was only average in 2023 too. Basically been a problem since Leslie left.

We certainly have struggled on third down... Yet people cry that McDermott is too conservative 

 

Yet on 3rd down calls he loves press man, cover one... Aggressive calls

 

On 3rd and 6th he is in your face a lot

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[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

We certainly have struggled on third down... Yet people cry that McDermott is too conservative 

 

Yet on 3rd down calls he loves press man, cover one... Aggressive calls

 

On 3rd and 6th he is in your face a lot

 

Yea the first half of 2023 his defense was not too passive. It was too aggressive. I hated all the 3rd down blitzes. 

[Buffalo716]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea the first half of 2023 his defense was not too passive. It was too aggressive. I hated all the 3rd down blitzes. 

I hate that it doesn't get home lol

 

There is a fine line to me with aggression at the right time and then playing your style.. hopefully we find the best balance next season

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Pete said:

My buddy is a huge Giants fan.  He has a tatoo of the Patriots logo with a hatchet in its head, blood, and it says "17-1 Slain"  lmao

 

You see now, I might have signed up for that as a T-shirt. 

 

Maybe even a hoodie. 

 

It’s great that we are all different, or things would be far too boring.