Brandon Beane on WGR

[Bills!Win!]

Didn’t know you could say bitchin on radio 

[Pete]

19 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Cooper had a lot to do with Buffalo’s scoring. How does 20 catches for 297 yards and 2 td ever relate to a lot? 
 

Mack Collins 31 catches for 378 and 5 tds - different name same as above

October 15 we traded for Amari Cooper. October 30 we scored 30 or more points the first 8 weeks after Amari trade.

 

With Amari, teams had to defend Buffalo different.  Amari got respect.  Safety’s backed up.  The middle of field opened up.  James Cook found open space.  All because the threat of Amari getting behind D.  Before Amari, no Bills WR got that respect.  Bills would face 8+ men boxes, middle was clogged.  And no WR could take top off.  The Bills offense is in trouble imo, if they do not add speed to WR position, it will be same *****.

 

Mack played more minutes than any WR.  He was punishing blocker.  He caught clutch TDs.  He was crafty, and would pick off Shakirs defender, freeing up Shakir, for example.

 

Two big losses.  And we’ve only added Palmer.  We are WR short
 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

He's on now and I have never seen/heard Brandon Beane so salty on an interview.  He is prickly about the WR/draft conversation.  Interesting interaction and not the usual Beane interview.

 

Joe and Jeremy said flat out that the Bills (and Beane) by extension) "didn't value" WRs. I think it's great that Beane swung back at the radio clowns. 

[US Egg]

1 minute ago, Bills!Win! said:

Didn’t know you could say bitchin on radio 

Would have been kind of funny if they bleeped it each time. 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

For the folks pounding the table for a WR saying "we cant expect Allen to do it all himself", I'd say that quote applies even more to the Defense. How about just for once, they show up, dont get fooled by simple stuff, make a stop, and dont put it on Josh to pull another game-winning drive out of his butt.

 

The defense has definitely been the bigger problem in our playoff losses. I don't think anybody disagrees with that. I question if the talent has been the main problem versus the coaching. But there were obvious talent deficiencies there that needed to be addressed and I had no problem making that the primary focus of this draft. I will say though it's not like they have been neglecting the defense until now. Every single year they're spending most of their resources on that side of the ball and it still inevitably fails, so I don't agree that just throwing all our draft resources at it is an automatic fix.

 

I see fans saying a 4th round WR wouldn't have made a difference, but the same logic applies to a 4th round DT if that's the argument we're using. I think all the WGR hosts are clowns but Jeremy White's point that the Bills have under-prioritized the WR room is objectively correct. We have invested in the position less than any other team in the NFL and that isn't just my opinion, I have seen a chart that showed it definitively to be true even if you count Diggs as a 1st round pick. The apparent obsession with WRs that some of us have doesn't come from nothing, it comes from genuinely believing the position is a lot more important than this regime treats it.

 

But all of that is just my opinion. Regardless of anyone's opinions on it, I definitely don't think the GM should be getting into arguments on air with local talking heads. I would think that even if I 100% agreed with everything he said. That is just bad form no matter the circumstances. I see a lot of fans excusing Beane by saying his frustration boiled over. But that is the job. 24/7 you are going to get assailed by people who mostly have no clue what they're talking about, and your job is to ignore the noise and keep a level head. Him doing what he did just puts a larger spotlight on the discussion and now if the moves they've made this offseason don't work he'll look both incompetent and foolish. Saying it out loud to myself maybe that's a good thing. I think this regime should be feeling some heat.

[BananaB]

4 minutes ago, Juice_32 said:

I'm with Beane on this one, I haven't really understood the narrative about wide receiver for a while. To me when you have a quarterback like we do it really comes down to two things.
 

1. How many points do you score?

 

2. And how many stops can you get?

 

We need stops, that's what's going to get us where we want to be. The points have not been the problem for a while.

3 years ago he went calling Beas and Smoke late in the season. Then he had the Sherfield/Harty blunder. Last year he traded for Coop when WRs were struggling early. I think the criticism is warranted. 

We score points because we have Josh, doesn't mean he can’t make it easier for him.

The reason the D sucks is because a lot of poor signings and draft picks. That’s on Beane as well. Just because he spent a draft loaded with D picks doesn’t mean it solved the problem. 

[Draconator]

9 minutes ago, Pete said:

October 15 we traded for Amari Cooper. October 30 we scored 30 or more points the first 8 weeks after Amari trade.

 

With Amari, teams had to defend Buffalo different.  Amari got respect.  Safety’s backed up.  The middle of field opened up.  James Cook found open space.  All because the threat of Amari getting behind D.  Before Amari, no Bills WR got that respect.  Bills would face 8+ men boxes, middle was clogged.  And no WR could take top off.  The Bills offense is in trouble imo, if they do not add speed to WR position, it will be same *****.

 

Mack played more minutes than any WR.  He was punishing blocker.  He caught clutch TDs.  He was crafty, and would pick off Shakirs defender, freeing up Shakir, for example.

 

Two big losses.  And we’ve only added Palmer.  We are WR short
 

 

 

Now that makes sense. And there's still a possibility that Cooper will be back, albeit slim. My personal feeling that if we sign Moore, teams wouldn't respect us like you're saying, Allen and the core will burn the first couple of opponents, and defenses will adjust to what we are doing, and therefore we will have the upper hand in softening up defenses, opening up the run and screen games. 

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, transient said:

In your heart of hearts do you really think if the Bills HAD scored in either game that the Bills defense would have kept KC out of the end zone on the ensuing drive?
 

I’m not sure as the offense didn’t give us a chance to find out. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

43 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Pete, he’s addressed this point repeatedly. They liked a few receivers but at pick time they were gone. He’s not finished building the team but it’s already much better in April than it was in January.

 But that’s been their go to statement since 2019. For some reason they tend to punt on WR. When is enough going to be enough? Even with Coleman they traded down for Christ sakes lol. It wasn’t like they identified and went and got their guy. And in that class I wanted Mcconkey who also already looks ahead of Coleman. 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

But all of that is just my opinion. Regardless of anyone's opinions on it, I definitely don't think the GM should be getting into arguments on air with local talking heads. I would think that even if I 100% agreed with everything he said. That is just bad form no matter the circumstances. I see a lot of fans excusing Beane by saying his frustration boiled over. But that is the job. 24/7 you are going to get assailed by people who mostly have no clue what they're talking about, and your job is to ignore the noise and keep a level head. Him doing what he did just puts a larger spotlight on the discussion and now if the moves they've made this offseason don't work he'll look both incompetent and foolish. Saying it out loud to myself maybe that's a good thing. I think this regime should be feeling some heat.

 

Wrt this last paragraph, maybe it's me, maybe I'm naive, I just dont seem to "overreact" to things the way a lot of folks do online.

 

I didnt think Cooks handful of small posts that were mostly emoji reactions to Barkley's new contract were this huge deal that has "fans" calling for him to be traded or taught a lesson. Nor do I think Beane feels that way either.

 

I dont see Beane's segment as this big blow-up argument that has fans calling him unprofessional or accusing him of losing his cool. He was definitely frustrated hearing the commentary that lead up to his segment, but from what I've seen from Beane, it seemed more like he was busting chops and explaining how things work in his real world of actually running and building a team.

 

Could he have taken a more "gm-speak", politically correct approach? Probably.

Would it matter? I dont think so

Would fans be even more upset at him blowing off the issue had he gave some BS PC answer? Most likely.

 

I'm just happy we have a GM who is willing to be so real in interviews. With both the good and the bad.

[BuffaloMatt]

48 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

This is not to argue or anything. I listen to the show daily on my drive to work. I honestly don't see anything they said as hindsight. They have been very proactive in their views of getting WR talent in the building. I believe what they have said has merit as I also believe what Bean said has merit. Tough conversations are fine to have. 

All good. Hindsight or speculation. Opinions are esy to have. 

[papazoid]

it's the nature of talk radio....people usually only call to complain

 

have you ever called into a sports radio talk show, wait on hold for 15 minutes or longer....to say something nice ? 

 

every team has weaknesses.....expect criticism.....the only team who doesn't get gruff from its fan base is the one who just won the SB....until they lose their first game next season.

 

im surprised beane let his frustration  out and his guard down.....its been building....threw em an allen/rosen dig from 2018....wow.....used the word bitching constantly instead of using opinions or talking....id say pretty close to being pissed off.  i'm sure he will be getting props from half the other GM's.

 

its fair for fans to say we dont have a Top 20 WR ....its also fair for beane to say we can probably win without one, the group we do have collectively are proven effective and we felt we had bigger needs in other areas.

 

 

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

Just listening to this now. Very uncharacteristic of him. He seems to be getting really annoyed with criticism from the local media. Also seems to be more cognisant of what's being said or at least making a point of acknowledging that he's heard what was said, more so than before.

 

Idk if that's just him reaching a breaking point in feeling like he's doing a good job but hearing he isn't doing the job right or if there's more to it behind the scenes in the office or something going on in his personal life that's coming out here.

 

It hasn't just been this either. He seemed to be pretty annoyed by the media questioning the Drafting of TJ Sanders when he isn't a standard 1T. On Saturday, he said:

 

Quote

"I know it felt like when I left here, I was telling Derrick like, it feels like you guys were like wondering if "do we have enough size or beef? like we only have 3T's". We're very confident, even if we didn't add him (Walker)."

 

Which was kind of eyebrow raising to me at the time. Like as he was leaving on Friday night, he's telling a staff member "man, what's the deal with the media?". And then telling the media that. Combined with today and yeah, weird stuff from Beane that you don't see from him.

Edited 18 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[JohnNord]

31 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Joe and Jeremy said flat out that the Bills (and Beane) by extension) "didn't value" WRs. I think it's great that Beane swung back at the radio clowns. 

It was a decisive “W” Beane I thought.  Joe and Jeremy didn’t know what to do.  After those two complained about WR all morning, he hit them in the mouth and they never recovered.  
 

Some fans might listen to the clip and think he came off as defensive.  But you know who will love that?  His players, coaches ans people in the organization.  Especially the WR’s on the roster 

[Pete]

Beane flipping out about WRs today is going to be the Streisand effect.  Bills need to invest more in WR just got a big spotlight on it.

[BillsVet]

 

37 minutes ago, Billl said:

This is true, but don’t you get dismissing returns at some point?  I mean, Buffalo traded down in the first round last year to add a third round pick.  They effectively sacrificed their options at a 1st round WR and used the pick they gained on D-Line.  Then they drafted another D-Lineman later in the draft.  Then they added 3 D-Linemen in Free Agency.  Then they drafted 3 D-Lineman in this draft.  Meanwhile, they added Josh Palmer in FA and drafted a WR with the 240th pick in the draft.

 

Now I have no idea whether these moves were good, bad, or some combination of both, but that seems like less of a “finite resources” issue than a conscious decision to load up on one side at the expense of other positions.

 

The trade for Diggs brought them 56 and their 62 which effectively they used to take 2 DL at 41 and 72.  I didn't expect they'd walk away using that 2nd for more defense after selecting Hairston. 

 

Still, the defense, by a lot of metrics was not up to par for McD and certainly not in the playoffs.  But  what they did this off-season was bordering on obsessive defensively.  This is a franchise which has now used 63% of their draft value on defense in the last 5 years.  

[ndirish1978]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I see fans saying a 4th round WR wouldn't have made a difference, but the same logic applies to a 4th round DT if that's the argument we're using. I think all the WGR hosts are clowns but Jeremy White's point that the Bills have under-prioritized the WR room is objectively correct. We have invested in the position less than any other team in the NFL and that isn't just my opinion, I have seen a chart that showed it definitively to be true even if you count Diggs as a 1st round pick. The apparent obsession with WRs that some of us have doesn't come from nothing, it comes from genuinely believing the position is a lot more important than this regime treats it.

 

 

 

I disagree. We invested our first pick last year on WR, we signed Palmer this year. We have Curtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir at WR. That is 4 players. At DT We have Oliver and a 3rd rd pick in Carter that couldn't get on the field last year and was a healthy scratch behind street FAs, that's it. DaQuon Jones is pretty much done, he's more likely to get cut than make the roster. So you're looking at a position that has 4 starters vs 1 that has a single starter. In that specific instance a 4th rounder at DT is absolutely able to be a difference-maker whereas a 4th rounder at WR would have to unseat one of 3 vets on substantial contracts or Coleman.  

 

[US Egg]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

All good. Hindsight or speculation. Opinions are esy to have. 

It’s the equating of them where it goes off the rails.

 

WGR “expert” opinions stand shoulder to shoulder with Beane’s? Some think so in here.

[Pete]

I bet Pat McAfee is also over Beane flipping out over WRs

[Stenbar]

I really wonder if our 2 free agent signings bein suspended for 6 weeks each took Beane out of his plans to draft a wr early.