Brandon Beane on WGR

[NeverOutNick]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

"small window" -- LOL.  Josh has at least 7-8 more prime years as an NFL QB.

 

You don’t think that’s a small window? You don’t think as he ages he’s gonna be less mobile? You don’t think that this is his prime?

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

Was it D or Dalton that dropped the ball last year to end the season?

 

Did D drop the ball or was that Diggs?

 

Did D shank the FG or was that Bass?

 

Was it the D that could not make a first on 3rd down(before the refs screwed us on 4th) - or was that again the Defense’s fault?

 

Points in regular season are great.  Points in the playoffs are wonderful.

 

that’s how I remember losing to KC the past few years

The most offensive output the Chiefs had in 2 seasons were in the playoff games eliminating the Bills.  Thats a problem

[Cray51]

2 minutes ago, Pete said:

Was it D or Dalton that dropped the ball last year to end the season?

 

Did D drop the ball or was that Diggs?

 

Did D shank the FG or was that Bass?

 

Was it the D that could not make a first on 3rd down(before the refs screwed us on 4th) - or was that again the Defense’s fault?

 

Points in regular season are great.  Points in the playoffs are wonderful.

 

that’s how I remember losing to KC the past few years

Defense allowed Mahomes to have his best offensive performance of the year against them.  The D allowed 13 seconds.  Memory must be short if you just remember a drop or missed field goal here or there.  The defense (and not just the production, but the age of the core) was an issue and needed to be addressed.  They need to get younger at CB and D-line.  Needed to.  And this was the draft to do that.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Right. We have a top-scoring, high powered offense averaging over 30 points a game, and Allen still has to pull out victories with super human plays. That's a Defense issue.

We are in large part top scoring because we are taking a mortgage on Allen’s future to do it

 

if he falters even slightly we are cooked

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

[eball]

30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I cringed.  That was the worst I’ve heard from Brandon Beanes mouth.  
 

Especially considering the topic.  Why get so animated over a subject he knows to be true.  He wants another speed WR.  
 

He said all he needed to in the PC-  the guys weren’t on the board when they were on the clock.  They went BPA.  Leave it at that.  Those that are expecting him to say he made a mistake and should’ve traded up, you should know better.   That would ever be said.  
 

Nonetheless, that was a poor moment from Beane and I bet he wishes he had that one back

 

It was refreshing, and reminded me of the Seinfeld episode about booing a comedian.  Nobody expects a GM or coach to actually hold a radio host accountable.  Beane has answered the WR question again and again and again, and if he sat on hold listening to WGR bash the WR room for several minutes before coming on I'm glad he was able to speak his mind.

 

I wish he had asked the WGR boobs if he should walk down to the locker room to tell Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, and Samuel they aren't good enough and need to find a new place to work.

 

 

3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

You don’t think that’s a small window? You don’t think as he ages he’s gonna be less mobile? You don’t think that this is his prime?

 

Yes, this is the beginning of his prime -- not the middle or end.

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

Did D shank the FG or was that Bass?

 

Guddam, you're right!  Why didn't they address K?!

[ndirish1978]

3 hours ago, NeverOutNick said:

I’m glad you asked what I would do. Even if it were sarcastic. I wouldn’t have traded up for TJ sanders (feels like they’re admitting they missed on Carter, which kudos for being honest). 
 

If I were going to trade up that high why not go a couple more picks higher and grab Luther Burden, the most explosive WR in the class and a kid that can do it all and fills the vertical threat we need. Or stay put with the 2 picks at the end of the 2nd and take Kyle Williams, best vertical threat in the draft instead of Sanders. 
 

If they really needed sanders then fine at the bottom of the 4th to the top of the 5th grab Horton or Watkins. 
 

But I do like the players selected in that range so let’s say they just couldn’t part with the TE they wanted to move up for one of those guys how about this can we trade a 7th rounder next year to move up and grab Tez Johnson? Yes combine sucked but the kid is a proven deep threat and very good returner. 
 

I like most of the defensive players we selected but the trades up for DT, bypassing vertical threats made it obvious that the FO and McD don’t value keeping the WR cupboard young and cheap imo

 

Not sarcastic. I wanted to see what your actual thoughts were. From your answer I understand you would have put more draft resources into drafting WR3 over DT2. Now I know philosophically you and I will never agree and we can move on agreeing to disagree. You prefer to spend more than both of our second round picks to draft a WR3 with upside to be 2. A rookie WR would play on no more than 30% of downs as opposed to a DT who will be a starter and will play 45% of downs at a minimum. 4th or 5th rd players are not starting in this offense, Shakir put up really good stats and was used sparingly early on. Deone Walker should play a significant role as a rotational DT and adds size that no one on this team has. We NEEDED 2 DTs in this draft. We cannot hope to put up a semi-competent D without adding what we added.

 

So what I'm understanding from a couple of comments is that you wanted a deep threat. I agree, we need a deep threat. I guess I just don't agree that we needed a WR over the positions on defense. 

 

These are the WRs selected after we drafted Walker. Arian Smith 110, Jaylin Lane 128, Jalen Royals 133, Lambert-Smith 158, Tory Horton 166, LaJohnTay Wester 203, Jimmy Horn 208, Tommy Mellot 213, Tex Johnson 235, Ricky White 238, Kaden Prather to us at 240 and then 3 other jags. 

 

I liked Lane, Royals and Horton. Let's see if we could have gotten them assuming teams would have traded us a pick in that range

Jaylin Lane pick 128 -  20 pts

Jaylen Royals pick 133 - 18 pts

Tory Horton pick 166 - 9 pts

 

At this point in the draft we had added CB, DT, Edge, DT. to trade up for Lane or Royals we would have needed to give up 173,177,206. That would have left us with 7 picks total. We would have given up both 5th rounders and our early 6th. Meaning we would pick at 127 and then not again until 170, then 206. What would we have given up to do that:

 

 

173 we drafted a blocking TE. We didn't have one but sure I'll give that up. 

177- Dorian Strong - I like him a lot. I'm happy we got him. 

206 We drafted a swing tackle to learn the position so we have the option to use Alec Anderson to play guard next seasons since we can't pay Cybo, Edwards and McGovern

 

I would call this a push, I would probably like Royals the same amount as I like these 3 players 

 

To trade for Tory Horton would have cost us 170 and 240. I wish they had done that. 170 We drafted a hybrid nickel/safety to replace the undersized Cam Lewis. I have been asking for a replacement at that position so this pick made me happy. I don't know if they liked him or if they thought he was equal value to Jordan Hancock but I can see valuing that WR role equal to the hybrid player we selected. 

 

So, the point I agree with you on is we could have selected Tory Horton, I wish they had, but maybe they liked him less than we do. They picked a WR 74 picks later and Beane said that he was surprised the board lined up to where value matched the pick that late. All I can say is that the Bills and the league didn't value Horton higher than Jordan Hancock by a lot or I think we would have traded up to get him. As a general philosophy I can say we probably disagree as to the value of a field stretching WR over other positions, but I appreciate you putting your thoughts down. The draft isn't the entire offseason, there are speedy receivers who are known commodities on the market like Moore and Chark. I don't think it's fair to say we ignored the position when it's April. 

Edited 3 hours ago by ndirish1978

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

Yea, I agree it's not Beane's best moment.  With that said, Jeremy has access to that PC and Beane's decision making and still spent an hour of the show before Beane went on bashing the WR room.  I'm sure it's quite frustrating for him

To be fair, I don’t listen to Jeremy other than on Marinos new show.  I didn’t hear his rant that Beane was referring to

[ndirish1978]

Conflating defensiveness with being tired of the same WGR crap is just incorrect. That station is just terrible. Beane lost his patience and i don't fault him for it. 

[Andrew Son]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

We are in large part top scoring because we are taking a mortgage on Allen’s future to do it

 

if he falters even slightly we are cooked

Josh isn't all of a sudden going to turn into a timing based pocket passer just because he has a plethora of weapons.

[Cray51]

White's solution last year was trade 2 firsts + for Rome Odunze, who had 54 catches on 101 targets for 734 yards and 3 TDs.  OR, trade a first and second for Aiyuk and give him a fat contract, who blew his ACL  Yea, this guys knows receivers!!

[HomeskillitMoorman]

26 minutes ago, eball said:

The amount of time and energy spent by Bills fans and local media criticizing a regime that has brought the longest sustained tenure of legitimate success since the SB years is astounding.  You'd think this was a 4-13 cellar dweller, or that they'd been blown out in the playoffs.

 

Fans want to talk and media people have to fill the airways...I get it.  It's just a shame a little more time isn't spent focusing on how fortunate we are to have this team and the people running it.

 

But, that's where we are these days.  It's never about what's good, it's about what you want to complain about.  A positive comment gets very few "likes" but a negative one has them rolling in.

 

A legitimate conversation, in my opinion, would be for the WGR guys to get Beane on the air not to ask why he "devalues the position" (which is asinine) but ask him whether he values a receiver to take the top off a defense, for example.  At least there would be some back and forth and a discussion.  How about a question like whether he and his scouting staff have gone back and taken a look at where they may have missed something in some of the DL free agent acquisitions in the past?  Nah, that might require the WGR guys to actually think a little bit instead of "acting mad" that Beane isn't doing what they think he should do.

 

There's a reason why I listen to very little sports media these days...and I'm glad Beane let out a little frustration today.

 

 

Because it's possible to think and believe two things at the same time. I'm saying this from a fan perspective and not the WGR guys perspective because I don't listen to them...but it's possible to agree that this regime has brought the longest sustained tenure of legitimate success since the SB years AND that they have massively underachieved in the playoffs. 

 

What we've seen here is unprecedented when a star QB plays this well overall in the playoffs and has nothing to show for it. We're barely over .500 with him the playoffs playing mostly lights out and it's for the same exact reason every year. The defense has been beyond awful in the playoffs, Beane and McDermott have failed consistently on that end year after year. We've flushed almost the entire 20's of the best player we've ever had because the ask has been so high. Mahomes can have an up and down postseason and still win or make it to a SB. That just hasn't been possible for Josh, we can't even get there when he's great. 

 

All of these things can be true at the same time. You can feel fortunate and thank this regime that we're good and have had sustained success while also be aware of the shortcomings that have prevented us from winning big and wonder if these are the guys that can actually get the team over that hurdle. These are not exclusive to each other. 

Edited 6 hours ago by HomeskillitMoorman

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, KOKBILLS said:

Full disclosure I've never been much of a Jeremy White fan...

 

I've listened every morning since WGR first started streaming... So that's a LONG time now... I think Jeremy has decent takes at times but overall he's very obviously WR obsessed. I mean... Anyone who listens knows this. And they should also know Jeremy's team building strategy is quite literally that the Bills should basically mortgage everything for the next 3-5 years. And he would like that investment to come mainly at WR because, again, he's WR obsessed.

 

I feel like Jeremy took the Fantasy Football thing wrong because the default for people who truly don't know...and love Fantasy Football...is to be defensive and say it was an attack to belittle. Beane explained exactly what he meant. He believes in building an entire team and that starts with the QB, protecting the QB, and the trenches... Fantasy Football is QB's, WR's, RB's and TE's... That's what Beane was saying. He literally said it. He was not trying to belittle. He was talking about roster building. He traded a 1st round pick for Diggs and extended him. He'll add at WR if he thinks the value matches up.  I really don't doubt that about Beane. 

 

The football argument to be made, and asked about WR with the Bills, is whether or not a field stretching WR will further open up this offense. If getting someone who is a legit deep threat will actually improve Kincaid, Shakir, and Coleman underneath. I think that is what the Bills are missing, and I think that is a legit football discussion. I also wonder why the Bills seem to undervalue some of these mid-round guys I, and many other teams, obviously value higher. He continuously says the value was not there. I don't know. I valued both Troy Franklin and Devontez Walker higher as developmental WR's than DT DeWayne Carter. But maybe the Bills bump the trenches? I definitely valued Jaylen Royals higher than Deone Walker, but with the Bills needs at DT I get it... I think those are legit questions to ask a GM. But I think Beane felt like he said it enough this weekend that the guys they liked at WR, when they picked where they picked, were gone...and that's that... 

 

I do agree with Jeremy on one thing... It's easy for a GM to talk about their board and value without ever showing us their board and explaining how they value. But I'm not sure how you could watch this team last year and care all that much about what they are going to do with a 4th or 5th WR... Do I think they need a field stretcher? Yes I do...Absolutely... Do I think that need pales in comparison to just about every pick they made in this Draft... Yep... Pretty much... 

 

Jeremy's problem is he has "Smartest Man in the Room" Syndrome, where he always has to be seen as the smartest guy in the room and everyone has to bow down to him and tell him how smart he is or he gets defensive. 

[One Buffalo]

I went back and listened to some of the first hour of the show.  I can see how Beane got worked up after listening to some of that.  He is completely accurate in his statements IMO.  

[ndirish1978]

38 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Name a single key player acquired in the period between the draft ending and Week 1 by this organization in 8 years.  

 

Reality is the two key player acquisition methods are over now and they're down to 4.1M in cap room which largely go to 2025 draftee contracts.

 

Come to think of it, when was the last time Buffalo signed a productive WR in UFA before or after the draft?  

 

Nope, not over at all. You want to complain, I understand. Just don't act like your viewpoint is the only correct one.  

[Cray51]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

To be fair, I don’t listen to Jeremy other than on Marinos new show.  I didn’t hear his rant that Beane was referring to

Totally understand.  I decided to listen to the show prior to Beane and they went back to the lack of WR picks several times in the 90 minutes prior, spending very little time on the actual selections in the draft.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

 

It was refreshing, and reminded me of the Seinfeld episode about booing a comedian.  Nobody expects a GM or coach to actually hold a radio host accountable.  Beane has answered the WR question again and again and again, and if he sat on hold listening to WGR bash the WR room for several minutes before coming on I'm glad he was able to speak his mind.

 

I wish he had asked the WGR boobs if he should walk down to the locker room to tell Shakir, Palmer, Coleman, and Samuel they aren't good enough and need to find a new place to work.

 

 

 

Yes, this is the beginning of his prime -- not the middle or end.

 

The fact that he lost his cool defending this is very strange to me.  He knows that the WR is missing a piece.  He brought in Moore to cement that as fact. Compound the fact that he admitted he knows that these guys say things as a way to create their content.  Even more reason to not lose your cool.   Just strange 

[Goin Breakdown]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

To be fair, I don’t listen to Jeremy other than on Marinos new show.  I didn’t hear his rant that Beane was referring to

It supposedly was based off the end of the morning shows talk with Sal. Funny because Sal "understood" Jeremy's points and Sal is all in on anything the Bills do. No heat on Sal. Jeremy was right in saying that Beane only heard part of a conversation. It wasn't all crapping on the Bills. Jeremy's main take was "does. call out the same amount of prime assets into WR as other teams to. Do they regard the position as, say GreenBay. Teams who have a good WR room and yet still try to improve it. Anyways. beane was listening and then Boom here we are. 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The fact that he lost his cool defending this is very strange to me.  He knows that the WR is missing a piece.  He brought in Moore to cement that as fact. Compound the fact that he admitted he knows that these guys say things as a way to create their content.  Even more reason to not lose your cool.   Just strange 

 

I dont think he "lost his cool". Even he sounds frustrated/animated. I think he is just comfortable being open and honest, and there was plenty of joking sarcasm in there wrapped around true statements.

 

He didnt make it personal. He didnt threaten to not come on anymore. He didnt threaten to have the show shut down (like Jerry Jones).

 

I think it was just an engaged Beane setting the record straight and issuing some decent jabs and burns along the way.

 

I'm sure he'll be back on Jeremy's show at the next opportunity.

Edited 6 hours ago by DrDawkinstein