Which position group is weakest today?

[Pete]

21 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Safety 30 - WR 29

That’s funny.

 

WR 

Shakir

Keon

Samuel

Palmer

 

S

Rapp

Bishop

Damar

Forest

Cam

Hancock

 

Teams run trips or quad WRs often.

 

Rarely do you play more than 2 safety’s at same time.

 

Rapp got extended.  Cole was 2nd round pick a year ago.  People are sleeping on Forest.  Damar has experience. Cam has been better than people think.  Hancock is better athletes than everyone, but Cole.  Hancock takes Cams job I’m guessing.

 

 

So to me it seems illogical to think Safety is weaker than WR imo

 

[Mike in Horseheads]

6 hours ago, GASabresIUFan said:

He was trying to split the safety vote to insure WR won the poll? 

I'm surprised all the choices aren't WR

[GASabresIUFan]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

That’s funny.

 

WR 

Shakir

Keon

Samuel

Palmer

 

S

Rapp

Bishop

Damar

Forest

Cam

Hancock

 

Teams run trips or quad WRs often.

 

Rarely do you play more than 2 safety’s at same time.

 

Rapp got extended.  Cole was 2nd round pick a year ago.  People are sleeping on Forest.  Damar has experience. Cam has been better than people think.  Hancock is better athletes than everyone, but Cole.  Hancock takes Cams job I’m guessing.

 

 

So to me it seems illogical to think Safety is weaker than WR imo

 

really?

 

Let's take it player by player

Shakir > Rapp - Shakir was 2nd in the NFL in TAC while Rapp is a marginal NFL starter

Coleman > Bishop - Both were 2nd rd picks last year and neither wowed due to injuries and other issues.  Coleman had 12 starts to Bishops 4.

Palmer > Forrest - Palmer has been a part time starter for 4 years starting 29 games, Hamlin has 27 starts over 4 years, but the mkt values Palmer at 4.3 mill for 2025 and Hamlin at 1.4.  Hamlin lost his starting gig to Bishop late in the year.  

Samuel > Forrest - Both suffered through injury plagued campaigns last year but Samuel started 2 games to Forrest's 1 and Samuel has 60 starts over 8 years while Forrest has 17 over 4 years.  

Lewis > Shenault - Both are primarily special team players, but Lewis gets reps on defense and Shenault's offensive value is near zero at this point.  I can see neither player making the Bills in 2025.  

 

 

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

really?

 

Let's take it player by player

Shakir > Rapp - Shakir was 2nd in the NFL in TAC while Rapp is a marginal NFL starter

Coleman > Bishop - Both were 2nd rd picks last year and neither wowed due to injuries and other issues.  Coleman had 12 starts to Bishops 4.

Palmer > Forrest - Palmer has been a part time starter for 4 years starting 29 games, Hamlin has 27 starts over 4 years, but the mkt values Palmer at 4.3 mill for 2025 and Hamlin at 1.4.  Hamlin lost his starting gig to Bishop late in the year.  

Samuel > Forrest - Both suffered through injury plagued campaigns last year but Samuel started 2 games to Forrest's 1 and Samuel has 60 starts over 8 years while Forrest has 17 over 4 years.  

Lewis > Shenault - Both are primarily special team players, but Lewis gets reps on defense and Shenault's offensive value is near zero at this point.  I can see neither player making the Bills in 2025.  

 

 

🍎 and  🍊 ‘s

[GASabresIUFan]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

🍎 and  🍊 ‘s

Isn't that the point of this thread.  The top 4 players at WR are better and more proven players than their counterparts at safety.  

[stlbills13]

I'm the only one so far but I am very down on our TE group. I'm optimistic Kincaid can take a next step but until he actually does, I don't see anyone who causes defenses or defensive coordinators trouble. 

[Victory Formation]

Punter. We’ve yet to fill the shoes of Matt Araiza. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I voted WR, but S is also an option. Punter is a sneaky good pick. We could be the worst in the league there.

[HOUSE]

You guys are really pissing Brandon Beane off with this WR s***

But, you all need to B word about something  

[kitchen sink]

10 hours ago, Pete said:

I believe it’s obvious

So you selected punter too 🙂?

Edited 23 hours ago by kitchen sink

[Billzgobowlin]

8 hours ago, finn said:

I have no problems with a tub of goo at DT; I just think a guy who can stretch the field on key downs and stop defenses from cheating up would be more valuable, giving the short passing game and runners more room. He doesn't (didn't) need to be a fantastic, just good enough to pose a threat downfield, so a potentially bigger return on that fourth-round pick than Walker. 

I don't think it was an issue last year.  Also I think the offensive line has something to say about that.

[nedboy7]

I would have voted fanbase but it’s obvious why it’s not on there. 

[TheBrownBear]

11 hours ago, finn said:

Ongoing conversation in another thread, but I'll just agree with those who are bewildered by Beane's lack of urgency on wide receivers. Mahomes has Rice, Hollywood Brown, Worthy, and now Royals. Burrow has two studs in Chase and Higgins. Hurts has DeVonta and AJ Brown. Allen? Shakir, who has never had a 1000 yard season, Coleman, a slow possession receiver who wasn't even catching jump balls late last year, Palmer, who is supposed to be the second coming of Jerry Rice but who the receiver-starved Chargers happily let go, Samuels, who we keep making excuses for, and a bunch of practice squad level players. Color me underwhelmed. 

 

Meanwhile, he continues to dump--DUMP--resources into the defensive line. Lovely to have, what, four big investments in the DT position, but at the expense of mediocrity at another key position? Maybe he's planning to trade for Pickens or someone. But I doubt it. As others have said, he's probably thinking, "Hey, Allen and the running game did it all last year, so let's assume they'll be able to do the same again this year. What could go wrong?"

 

Let's watch Jalen Royals, whom he could have picked instead of Walker. I really, really hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling it's not going to be pretty. 

 

 

I remember many wringing their hands over passing on Skyy Moore a few years ago and he turned out to be a wasted 2nd round pick for the Chiefs.  All those resources spent at WR and the Chiefs fielded the 17th ranked offense (yes, I know Rice was hurt). 

 

Also, Royals runs a 4.42.  He's not Tyreek 2.0.

[Goin Breakdown]

WR

[The Jokeman]

I voted for LB as I don't like our depth at all and Milano can never stay healthy lately. Bernard is good but again nobody behind him.

[Mister Defense]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

That’s funny.

 

WR 

Shakir

Keon

Samuel

Palmer

 

S

Rapp

Bishop

Damar

Forest

Cam

Hancock

 

Teams run trips or quad WRs often.

 

Rarely do you play more than 2 safety’s at same time.

 

Rapp got extended.  Cole was 2nd round pick a year ago.  People are sleeping on Forest.  Damar has experience. Cam has been better than people think.  Hancock is better athletes than everyone, but Cole.  Hancock takes Cams job I’m guessing.

 

 

So to me it seems illogical to think Safety is weaker than WR imo

 

 

 

So, why have a poll then, as whatever the outcome was you have the point you wanted to make and you won't even honor or give credence to the results.

 

But you are consistent--same kind of high quality OP here as the one you started on wide receivers a few days ago, just as thoughtful and objective.

 

Makes me regret deleting my early morning  response on there, thinking it was too harsh. It  may have been just right actually..

 

 

[Success]

I voted WR - but I wouldn't say we're "weak" at WR.  I think that just speaks to how strong we are in other units.

 

I debated safety, but I have a good enough feeling about Bishop having a good year that we should be solid there.  I think there are more variables in the passing game - can Coleman or Kincaid take a big step forward?  Was Samuel's disappointing season last year largely due to injury?  Can Palmer excel w/ Allen throwing to him?

 

A lot of that stuff could pan out too - but right now there is just more uncertainty around WR than safety.  

 

[todd]

6 hours ago, finn said:

"Dumb" is pretty strong language, bub, especially from someone with obvious reading problems. No need to apologize. We all have moments of utter stupidity. 

Oh yeah bub? Well, when you point your finger at me, there’s 3 (wait, let me count, because I’m utterly stupid … one .. two … yeah three) pointing back at you. So there.  Burn! 

[TBBills Fan]

My vote isn't an option 

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:

I voted for linebacker because I don’t see Milano ever returning to his former self . At least with the WR group they invested heavily into it the past year.

Plus both Milano and Bernard miss games due to injury. And we don’t have proper backups.  We don’t want to be in the position we were two playoff exits ago.  Besides Williams there is no real back up at LB.  This is a super weak position.  And with Taron having a poor season last year there us a big question mark on this team to play the 5DB 2LB scheme effectively. 

4 hours ago, stlbills13 said:

I'm the only one so far but I am very down on our TE group. I'm optimistic Kincaid can take a next step but until he actually does, I don't see anyone who causes defenses or defensive coordinators trouble. 

Look at the first 5 or 6 games before his injury.  He was having great games.  I am sure the knee injury affected him rest of the season.  He will be back