Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

[Low Positive]

Is this going to be the off-season "complain about Beane" thread? If so, it will get to 100 pages easily because the complainers are the only ones who post in May and June. I'll say no more, lest I get branded with the scarlet H.

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You believe 14 or more guys drafted in this draft could push to start against guys that have already shown they are legit NFL talents?   I guess this draft was better at WR than I thought.

 

Currently Shenault or Shavers are in line to start. Yes I believe several early day 3 prospects in this draft could have beat them out.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

4 hours ago, MWK said:

 

He will have about 500 yards again. He can’t get open consistently and obviously can’t catch the ball

Dry toast and a side of moth balls

[Don Otreply]

12 hours ago, Pete said:

Who is our outside WRs?  Where are they?  Did Keon play so good that we can count on him to be WR2?  Is Palmer WR 1?  Can we count on Samuels to be healthy the entire season?  Who is our 5th WR?
 

Palmer 1

Keon 2

Shakir slot

Samuels 

 

Buffalo saw more man to man coverage last season, because no one respects our WR.  We have had FA and the draft to correct that, and Beane has done Jack *****.

 

its going to take another Ravens curb stomping to make Beane panic and make another Amari like trade.

 

It’s the emperors new clothes.  We have yet to replace John Brown.  This offense needs a vertical component which it is sorely lacking.

 

I know Bills had great offense- after we acquired Amari.

 

We lose Mack and Amari, and added Palmer.  

 

Name a worse WR group.

 

What happens if there is a WR injury?  Is WR Beanes Achilles heal?

 

 

Much ado about nothing, 

 

Fid I want a higher pick WR? Yes, but it’s not like our offense struggles to score points, 

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Currently Shenault or Shavers are in line to start. Yes I believe several early day 3 prospects in this draft could have beat them out.

The starters are Shakir, Coleman, Palmer, and Samuel.  The 5th guy ain’t playing much unless he steps up and proves value like Hollins did last year and if he contributes on special teams.

 

I know they have said they need speed, and that they had several guys in for talks that were the smaller speed type guys.  But they also knew they needed more DBs (remember, Taron ain’t getting any younger) so when it came to their picks on day 3 they saw more value there.

[Kirby Jackson]

41 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You believe 14 or more guys drafted in this draft could push to start against guys that have already shown they are legit NFL talents?   I guess this draft was better at WR than I thought.

I think all of those guys could have played 10-20 snaps a game as a field stretcher. The Bills use a committee at WR and on DL. I think that those guys could have been in that committee and added a skillset missing from the roster.

Edited 11 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Nihilarian]

Someone explain to me why the Bills had a #1 WR in Diggs for four seasons, who was elusive as they come in making most DBs look foolish for quite some time. He put up some really good numbers and caught a ton of balls. Over 1000 yards every year in Buffalo and was the NFL receiving leader in 2020 with 1535 yards. 

 

And Yet, it was this past season, without a #1 WR, that the 2024 offense set a franchise record for scoring while being the #2 team in the NFL in points scored. Meanwhile, (MVP) Josh Allen was 26th in passing attempts, 9th in yards, 7th in TDs, and 3rd in INTs in the NFL. Which was freaking great and because the offense didn't turn the ball over like they had in the past... the team was the best in the NFL in turnover ratio in +24. 

 

What we all saw was a very balanced offense that won 13 games, and we can throw out that Patriots game, which Buffalo gave them on purpose to bone them. The Rams and Chiefs outscored Buffalo because the Buffalo defense stunk, and in the Ravens, Texans games, I think Josh was injured. It was the Buffalo defense that kept the Bills out of the Super Bowl the last few seasons. For F@3k's sake, be happy the Bills upgraded the defense. 

 

This is no longer the Brian Daboll pass crazy offense that had a terribad run game, that even when the pass game wasn't working, that clown kept calling pass plays.

 

The current Buffalo OC in Joe Brady, is arguably the best OC since Ted Marchibroda by running a very balanced offense with both a terrific run and passing game. 

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Someone explain to me why the Bills had a #1 WR in Diggs for four seasons, who was elusive as they come in making most DBs look foolish for quite some time. He put up some really good numbers and caught a ton of balls. Over 1000 yards every year in Buffalo and was the NFL receiving leader in 2020 with 1535 yards. 

 

And Yet, it was this past season, without a #1 WR, that the 2024 offense set a franchise record for scoring while being the #2 team in the NFL in points scored.

 

They played 1 more game than the 2020 team did.

 

The 2020 team averaged more PPG.

 

There's your explanation.

 

If the 2020 team played 17 games, they would have had more points than the 2024 team.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Its called game winning drives. Not Dalton drops. Not bad calls.  Game Winning drives

 

The other team gets paid to win too...sometimes they make a play. Unfortunately it just happened to be a perfect call at the perfect time.

 

Maybe try not allowing a bad Kansas City offense to have a season high in points for a non-OT game. Probably still would start there.

 

Eagles had 9 consecutive stops against the Chiefs to start the Super Bowl which is more stops than the Bills have gotten COMBINED in 4 playoff games against them.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Big Turk

[Success]

We're definitely missing a true #1 - but it's really not even close to the worst group.

 

Samuel is better than what we saw last year - I'm surprised he even played w/ turf toe.  Coleman looked great before his injury.  A lot of the success of this group depends on him taking a step this year.

 

We know we can rely on Shakir, and I think Palmer - though not a star - is a good separate guy and gives us some versatility.  Shenault is kind of a wildcard - I remember some here wanted him in that draft, and he hasn't had great situations. 

 

I think it's a better group than what we had last year.  Not by a mile or anything - but it's fine when you have a QB  like JA.

 

[Pete]

30 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The other team gets paid to win too...sometimes they make a play. Unfortunately it just happened to be a perfect call at the perfect time.

 

Maybe try not allowing a bad Kansas City offense to have a season high in points for a non-OT game. Probably still would start there.

 

Eagles had 9 consecutive stops against the Chiefs to start the Super Bowl which is more stops than the Bills have gotten COMBINED in 4 playoff games against them.

 

In referring to our past few playoff exits.  As bad as the Defense played , the fact is the offense was in a position to win the game.  They have failed the past 2 seasons.  Dalton dropped it.  Diggs dropped it.  Bass shanked it.  Get WRs who can separate and we score TDs instead of failing 

[nedboy7]

Samuel is an 800 yard WR with a mediocre quarterback.  He is being undervalued on here. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I'm hoping Beane is not done.

 

I hope he's interested in bringing Cooper back or trading for Jameson Williams. 

 

I read that the lions may be interested in trading him

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, Success said:

We're definitely missing a true #1 - but it's really not even close to the worst group.

 

Samuel is better than what we saw last year - I'm surprised he even played w/ turf toe.  Coleman looked great before his injury.  A lot of the success of this group depends on him taking a step this year.

 

We know we can rely on Shakir, and I think Palmer - though not a star - is a good separate guy and gives us some versatility.  Shenault is kind of a wildcard - I remember some here wanted him in that draft, and he hasn't had great situations. 

 

I think it's a better group than what we had last year.  Not by a mile or anything - but it's fine when you have a QB  like JA.

 

Name the groups that are better if it’s not close to the worst. I came up with the Raiders and maybe the Panthers and/or Browns. They are somewhere between 29-31 in my estimation. 
 

We are counting on guys that haven’t proven much. Palmer was the Chargers 3rd and they let him walk. Shenault has 96 receiving yards over the last 2 years!! How many teams would be saying, “that guy might be good?” He’s a scrub and doesn’t belong on the roster.

[BigDingus]

Is there a team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

 

Probably, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of our own WR group either. 

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Is there a team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

 

Probably, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of our own WR group either. 

I looked her in the eyes and said “it might not be what you wanted, but it’s not the smallest” then we kissed passionately 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

The starters are Shakir, Coleman, Palmer, and Samuel.  The 5th guy ain’t playing much unless he steps up and proves value like Hollins did last year and if he contributes on special teams.

 

I know they have said they need speed, and that they had several guys in for talks that were the smaller speed type guys.  But they also knew they needed more DBs (remember, Taron ain’t getting any younger) so when it came to their picks on day 3 they saw more value there.

Palmer should not be a starter.

 

He's just a JAG rotation guy which is what he was with the Chargers. He was the 4th/5th WR.

 

He's essentially the replacement for Mack who's really only a special teams guy.

 

Ask yourself this.

 

If Palmer was so good, why did the Chargers, a WR needy team let him go and draft 2 new WRs in this draft ?

 

If Palmer was any good why did the Chargers not resign him ?

 

They just let him go

[Maine-iac]

So we put up points more points last year without Diggs than we did in every year he was here except for one?  We also had more 20 yard passing plays than every year but one and more 40 yard passing plays than every year but one.  We had less turnovers in more games and less sacks in more games. What is it that we can't do without better WR's?

[Nihilarian]

I get that the Bills played one more game. It still doesn't explain why, if the 2024 passing offense was so bad, then why did the Buffalo offense finish #2 overall in the NFL in points scored? BTW, in 2020, the offense was also #2 overall...with...no...#1...WR! Buncha scrubs did that?

 

All these seasons since 2020, the offense has not been the problem, as it's the defensive injuries that have let them down every year. 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I get that the Bills played one more game. It still doesn't explain why, if the 2024 passing offense was so bad, then why did the Buffalo offense finish #2 overall in the NFL in points scored? BTW, in 2020, the offense was also #2 overall...with...no...#1...WR! Buncha scrubs did that?

 

All these seasons since 2020, the offense has not been the problem, as it's the defensive injuries that have let them down every year. 

The passing offense in 2024 wasn't bad. The passing offense was hyper-efficient, with Josh playing at an MVP level.

 

The WR's were kinda bad though.

 

2020 Diggs/Beasley/Davis/Brown had 277 catches and 3559 yards

 

2024 Shakir/Coleman/Mack/Cooper combined for 156 catches and 2052 yards

 

Which WR group was better and contributed more to the offense being super good?  It's pretty obvious.

 

No one is arguing you can't have a good or even great offense with crappy WR's. We just did it last year. The Chiefs did in 2022.

 

That doesn't make it not crappy. It just means you are making hay elsewhere.

 

Its why even if the defense is good, a guy like Hamlin can still suck. Just because the defense is good doesn't mean everyone is good.