Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

 

But he is basically what people clamored  for on day 3 of the draft.  A speedster.

 

 

That's kind of like saying that the Bills wouldn't need a CB if they'd have kept Elam.  

[davefan66]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

But people here are complaining we didn’t get that on day 3 of the draft.  The kind of guy you’re describing is in the top 10 of day 1,  isn’t he?

I am sure Beane looks at all such scenarios.

No. Plenty of field stretching guys have been drafted in the history of the NFL draft in later rounds.

 

I guess you want to pin me on who was available day 3 as a speed receiver.m this year??

 

All I am saying is, there were guys available all draft that would help our receiver room, regardless of speed. Beans chose defense for the most part. I trust he has a plan, but wish we addressed receiver in any capacity in earlier rounds that had speed or was just a good boundary guy.

[chris heff]

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

I would say the WR group definitely lost us the Texans game, and greatly contributed to us losing the regular season Ravens game after Shakir went out.

Henry rushed for 199 yards 1TD, Jackson threw for 2 and rushed for 1 TD. Don’t think the WRs were on the field for any of that.

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, chris heff said:

Henry rushed for 199 yards 1TD, Jackson threw for 2 and rushed for 1 TD. Don’t think the WRs were on the field for any of that.

We scored 10 points

[mjt328]

Everyone would have liked to see a WR in the first three rounds.

But everyone also wanted to see a CB, DT and Edge in the first three rounds.  Four positions to address in only three picks.

Once we got to Day 3, I'm not sure anyone was available who would have moved the needle at receiver.

 

Last year, the Bills had (statistically) the best offense in the history of the franchise.  That includes the legendary K-Gun/No-Huddle 90's teams.

The only pieces we lost were Mack Hollins and Amari Cooper.  Neither of whom had huge production, at least in the numbers.

I'm not as high on Josh Palmer as some people, but I think he should do fine in replacing Hollins.

We could always still bring back Cooper, since he's still sitting out there as a Free Agent.  It's still possible for us to swing a trade.

 

Not sure it's really something worth freaking out about right now.  Last year we started the season with some issues, and then swung a trade mid-season.

 

Edited 20 hours ago by mjt328

[Inigo Montoya]

Josh Allen behind a solid O-line will score thirty points a game no matter who he is throwing the ball to.  It's one of the benefits of having Josh Allen on your team, you can get by with less in the WR group and reinvest those resources elsewhere.

 

The defense is what needs help.

[oldmanfan]

12 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

That's kind of like saying that the Bills wouldn't need a CB if they'd have kept Elam.  

We have fast guys on the practice squad.  The assumption is a day 3 guy this year would be better.  Maybe yes, maybe no.

[WideNine]

It's not like this team has no speed and it looks like the Bills drafted a DB that should be good at negating a burner from opposing teams without having to leave safeties deep.

 

Samuel is not exactly slow, but the turf toe really limited what he could do.

 

Palmer is an instant upgrade on the boundary and honestly Allen and Kincaid left a lot of meat on the bone with the lack of chemistry.

 

In regards to Kincaid it was not the personal connection as teammates, just anticipation and ball placement has been a tick off between them to unlock the potential that is there.

 

This offense will likely be productive, and if the defense can maximize the investments OBD made this offseason we will be taking about less 3rd down conversions by opposing teams (our D sucked allowing 3rd down conversions and getting off the field last year) providing even more scoring opportunities for our offense.

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, Simon said:

The amount of crying about the roster 4 months before a game is played can sometimes be stunning.

Especially a roster coming off being the 16th best offense in NFL history that also averaged 29 points per game against 3 of the toughest AFC defenses in the league, only losing finally by giving up 32 points to a team that didn’t break 30 in any other game during the season or post season that was also down 34-0 at one point in their next game.  
 

Not to mention, we are better on paper at WR heading into the season than where we were when our season ended.  

Edited 19 hours ago by Alphadawg7

[Pete]

Why did the Bills face more man to man coverage than any other team, last season?

 

It means the rest of the league has zero respect for our WR.  I’ll answer my own question, because too many are in denial 

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, WideNine said:

It's not like this team has no speed and it looks like the Bills drafted a DB that should be good at negating a burner from opposing teams without having to leave safeties deep.

 

Samuel is not exactly slow, but the turf toe really limited what he could do.

 

Palmer is an instant upgrade on the boundary and honestly Allen and Kincaid left a lot of meat on the bone with the lack of chemistry.

 

In regards to Kincaid it was not the personal connection as teammates, just anticipation and ball placement has been a tick off between them to unlock the potential that is there.

 

This offense will likely be productive, and if the defense can maximize the investments OBD made this offseason we will be taking about less 3rd down conversions by opposing teams (our D sucked allowing 3rd down conversions and getting off the field last year) providing even more scoring opportunities for our offense.

 

 

 

 

It's not an 'if', it's a 'must'. Beane basically ignored offense at the draft, despite a mediocre at best WR room, and spent highly on offense. If it let's the Bills down again then the way the team drafts and judge players on the defensive side of the ball has to be questioned.

[chris heff]

20 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We scored 10 points

Top three receivers that game.

Ravens:

Justice 6-78

Likely 1-26

Bateman 1-23

 

Bills:

Shakir 6-62

Coleman 3-51

Kincaid 5-47

 

And yet the Ravens scored 35.

[Mikie2times]

22 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

The offense has not been the issue in previous seasons limiting our chances of making the Super Bowl.  The defense was.  And now we used this draft to build a foundation on the defense and people are mad that we addressed the largest weakness on the team

I think people are mad we didn't use any picks toward a downfield WR. We could have drafted either Dont'e Thornton with a small move up or Tory Horton while still accomplishing what needed to be done on the defensive side. We don't have any downfield WR's. It's a need and we just keep passing on it. 

[FireChans]

Just now, chris heff said:

Top three receivers that game.

Ravens:

Justice 6-78

Likely 1-26

Bateman 1-23

 

Bills:

Shakir 6-62

Coleman 3-51

Kincaid 5-47

 

And yet the Ravens scored 35.

Not really sure the point here.

 

the offense wasn’t good enough to score more than 10 points lol. What is the Bills record scoring 10 points or fewer? Probably horrific, right? 0-50?

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, jcamm1966 said:

Browns

Absolutely.  That's why I said off the top of my head.  Lol.

[NeverOutNick]

4 hours ago, LEBills said:

Exactly. Josh and the offense are subsidizing the defense.

Since Josh was drafted, in the first 3 rounds we have drafted 4 DTs, 4 DEs, 3 LBs and 2 CBs (both firsts). In that same timeframe we have drafted 1 WR, 2 TEs and 3 RBs (two no longer with team and the other, second best player on offense is in a contract battle).

 

People say we don’t need better players bc the offense was already legendary last year. It took a Herculean, MVP effort from Josh to get there. And in the end when Josh needed a player to step up when he didn’t make a perfect defensive read, the game was lost. But because a defense that has had so many resources poured into it sucked, we have to do it again instead of making an honest effort to improve both sides of the ball.

 

I loved the first three rounds of the draft. But then not even trying to get Josh a weapon until the last pick in the draft is malpractice. There is no new talent in the pipeline so that if Keon or Kincaid don’t progress and if Palmer and Samuel are who they have always been, the team has nothing at least being developed behind the underwhelming cast. Which is exactly how we got to this spot when we never drafted anyone when Diggs was here.

I type this like this will get to Beane, it won’t. This is who the Bills are. I’m just frustrated as a fan because I want what is best for the Bills and feel like giving Josh good talent on the offense is what would be best bc I trust him more than our coaches to get the most out of players. 
 

Go Bills, pay James Cook.

This is great stuff! 100% agree with all that is bolded but I’m not on board with the pay James Cook ending lol. Draft multiple offensive weapons. That’s how you keep this thing sustainable so you’re not paying RBs $15mil and WRs $20 mil/year. 

29 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

The offense has not been the issue in previous seasons limiting our chances of making the Super Bowl.  The defense was.  And now we used this draft to build a foundation on the defense and people are mad that we addressed the largest weakness on the team

You must not have read anything from the first 2 pages of this post 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

It's not an 'if', it's a 'must'. Beane basically ignored offense at the draft, despite a mediocre at best WR room, and spent highly on offense. If it let's the Bills down again then the way the team drafts and judge players on the defensive side of the ball has to be questioned.

 

I agree they have to get it right, but they brought in a lot of help in free agency for the D as well

 

Granted, there are the suspensions, but those assets should be available down the stretch.

 

A field stretcher would be nice, but I do think we have man-beaters the can use scheme and routes to create separation, not to mention how good we were at running the ball.

 

All teams have gaps, it is how well our staff coach up the talent we have and put them in position to succeed.

 

Our biggest obstacle has been KC, and their ability to lock up their conference, rest their starters, and game plan for us each year.

 

Even then it has been really close...maybe more mental now than talent gap...tough to say.

 

 

[Bigstu]

Let's hold the horses on Keon, he was a rookie and suffered an injury - expect big things

 

Shakir is an excellent receiver with big things to come, great connection with Josh

 

Watch the tape on Palmer, his separation skills are excellent, will be even better with Josh

 

Plus, all our RBs are good receivers, this offense is designed not to have to rely on one superstar player

 

 

[NeverOutNick]

11 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

It's not an 'if', it's a 'must'. Beane basically ignored offense at the draft, despite a mediocre at best WR room, and spent highly on offense. If it let's the Bills down again then the way the team drafts and judge players on the defensive side of the ball has to be questioned.

Or even better, maybe just maybe we should look at the coaches 🤷🏻‍♂️. Seems to be the common denominator on why we can never get past the chiefs in the playoffs. He keeps investing in his defense with the same result. When is enough enough?

[Cray51]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I think people are mad we didn't use any picks toward a downfield WR. We could have drafted either Dont'e Thornton with a small move up or Tory Horton while still accomplishing what needed to be done on the defensive side. We don't have any downfield WR's. It's a need and we just keep passing on it. 

My guess, the team had substantially better grades on who they picked than the WR on the board.

 

Thornton is all traits - I wonder if the Bills had a low grade on him and think he isn’t an impact player for a few years.

 

Horton I liked as a day 3 guy, but they took Hancock who I really liked and Lundt has legit starting guard potential.

 

they do lack in vertical threats, but I don’t think they were sold on anyone in this class