Is there an NFL team with a weaker WR group than the Bills?

[TFBillsfan]

Will be interesting if Beane seeks a trade during the summer for WR. Names like Pickens (Pitt), Burks(TN), Willams (DET) or even Addison (MN) and Wilson (NYJ) and have been rumored to be potentially available. I’m sure there are others. 

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

It's April

Why did we lose to Ravens?  
 

Why do we see the most man to man in the NFL?  And that’s with Josh ***** Allen.

 

Dont you agree separation was a major issue last season?

 

What did we do to fix it?

Don’t you get sick of Josh getting pummeled after 6 seconds and no one can get open?

[Niagara Dude]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

Who is our outside WRs?  Where are they?  Did Keon play so good that we can count on him to be WR2?  Is Palmer WR 1?  Can we count on Samuels to be healthy the entire season?  Who is our 5th WR?
 

Palmer 1

Keon 2

Shakir slot

Samuels 

 

Buffalo saw more man to man coverage last season, because no one respects our WR.  We have had FA and the draft to correct that, and Beane has done Jack *****.

 

its going to take another Ravens curb stomping to make Beane panic and make another Amari like trade.

 

It’s the emperors new clothes.  We have yet to replace John Brown.  This offense needs a vertical component which it is sorely lacking.

 

I know Bills had great offense- after we acquired Amari.

 

We lose Mack and Amari, and added Palmer.  

 

Name a worse WR group.

 

What happens if there is a WR injury?  Is WR Beanes Achilles heal?

 

 

Beane still has not helped out Allen by getting him a true #1 receiver and it's been 2 drafts since trading Diggs.  I though he had a real good draft staring in the 3rd round. Could have easily used 1st or 2nd rounders on a wr

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

Why did we lose to Ravens?  
 

Why do we see the most man to man in the NFL?  And that’s with Josh ***** Allen.

 

Dont you agree separation was a major issue last season?

 

What did we do to fix it?

We signed a guy in free agency that has a high ranking for ability to separate.  Now give me a day 3 guy that we could have gotten that would have given us anything over guys already on the practice squad like Hamler.

[thenorthremembers]

Another wide receiver post?  Now if you guys getting your panties in a bunch can please tell me which WR picked after #30 in the first round could actually start on this team maybe Ill get my protest sign too. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Niagara Dude said:

Beane still has not helped out Allen by getting him a true #1 receiver and it's been 2 drafts since trading Diggs.  I though he had a real good draft staring in the 3rd round. Could have easily used 1st or 2nd rounders on a wr

Who?  Which one had a high ranking that he’d be whatever you want to refer to as a #1 WR?  Who ranked higher than the guys chosen?

[T.E.]

People really underestimate just how much Allen bails this offense out. There was a point late last season where analytics showed his receivers getting the least amount of separation in 2024 (Ravens had the most).

 

Just tons of plays of him running around, looking for anyone open, not finding them, them having to try to thread the needle. It's not sustainable long term, and not doing everything you can to help your best player because you expect him to constantly pick up the slack is not going to translate to Super Bowl victories. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, T.E. said:

People really underestimate just how much Allen bails this offense out. There was a point late last season where analytics showed his receivers getting the least amount of separation in 2024 (Ravens had the most).

 

Just tons of plays of him running around, looking for anyone open, not finding them, them having to try to thread the needle. It's not sustainable long term, and not doing everything you can to help your best player because you expect him to constantly pick up the slack is not going to translate to Super Bowl victories. 

What WR in this draft was going to change that?

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Another wide receiver post?  Now if you guys getting your panties in a bunch can please tell me which WR picked after #30 in the first round could actually start on this team maybe Ill get my protest sign too. 

Start is such a weird way to evaluate it on this “everybody eats” group. Last year, Hollins was behind Samuel, Coleman, Shakir and Cooper once he got here. I bet he played as many or more snaps than all receivers with the possible exception of Shakir. It’s a ROLE not a spot on the depth chart that the Bills missed on. They missed on a slew of sub 4.4 40 guys that could have done that. Now, they’ll try it with Prather who I don’t believe is the guy. 
 

Here is the list of guys after 30 that I believe could have done that: Burden, Noel, TeSlaa, Kyle Williams, Savion Williams, Tai Felton, *****, Thornton, Arian Smith, Lane, Royals, Watkins, Lambert-Smith, Horton and Tez Johnson. Obviously, they all aren’t equal but that’s a list of fast guys that can stretch the field drafted after 30. There are others as well that can maybe do it including Prather. The frustration from me is it isn’t one guy that they missed on. There were lots of options to fill that role.

9 minutes ago, T.E. said:

People really underestimate just how much Allen bails this offense out. There was a point late last season where analytics showed his receivers getting the least amount of separation in 2024 (Ravens had the most).

 

Just tons of plays of him running around, looking for anyone open, not finding them, them having to try to thread the needle. It's not sustainable long term, and not doing everything you can to help your best player because you expect him to constantly pick up the slack is not going to translate to Super Bowl victories. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Sargent Hulka]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

It's April

So what? In July, at training camp, the pundits will be writing "so and so" eats raw meat, and that's fine, but if this team can't at least clear the AFC Championship next January, then you'll be hearing the same chorus of "get rid of McDermott", "time to move on from Beane", or "another wasted year of Josh Allen's prime".

[SirAndrew]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Start is such a weird way to evaluate it on this “everybody eats” group. Last year, Hollins was behind Samuel, Coleman, Shakir and Cooper once he got here. I bet he played as many or more snaps than all receivers with the possible exception of Shakir. It’s a ROLE not a spot on the depth chart that the Bills missed on. They missed on a slew of sub 4.4 40 guys that could have done that. Now, they’ll try it with Prather who I don’t believe is the guy. 
 

Here is the list of guys after 30 that I believe could have done that: Burden, Noel, TeSlaa, Kyle Williams, Savion Williams, Tai Felton, *****, Thornton, Arian Smith, Lane, Royals, Watkins, Lambert-Smith, Horton and Tez Johnson. Obviously, they all aren’t equal but that’s a list of fast guys that can stretch the field drafted after 30. There are others as well that can maybe do it including Prather. The frustration from me is it isn’t one guy that they missed on. There were lots of options to fill that role.

Great post, this isn’t about finding the next Jerry Rice. That seems to be what some argue. This is about finding a receiver who can get separation. That’s something we don’t currently have on the roster, but is obviously an important element of an offense. A player who can get separation is going to contribute with Josh Allen QB. We just don’t know what that looks like because we have yet to see it. 

[todd]

I guess it is the normal post-draft freak out season. Logic flies out the window and whiny emotions step in the front door. Hilarious that people think the Bills are drafting to fill holes this year. Not even worth discussing with the whiners.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, todd said:

I guess it is the normal post-draft freak out season. Logic flies out the window and whiny emotions step in the front door. Hilarious that people think the Bills are drafting to fill holes this year. Not even worth discussing with the whiners.

The Bills NOT drafting to fill holes this year would be tragic. They are in the middle of Josh Allen’s prime. Every single decision needs to be made one season at a time now. We’ve already squandered the last 5 seasons of his prime. We shouldn’t be worried about 2026 and beyond. That would be insane. 

[Brandon]

37 minutes ago, Pete said:

Why did we lose to Ravens?  
 

Why do we see the most man to man in the NFL?  And that’s with Josh ***** Allen.

 

Dont you agree separation was a major issue last season?

 

What did we do to fix it?

Don’t you get sick of Josh getting pummeled after 6 seconds and no one can get open?

 

They've had to panic mid-season twice in the last three years by signing Cole Beasley and John Brown in November in 2022,  then trading for Amari Cooper last year.  Their answer was to draft Keon Coleman,  who was completely ineffective down the stretch last year.  

 

In their defense,  maybe they had terrible grades on this WR class.  I have no idea.  But based on recent history,  I have to be at least a little skeptical of the group they've put together at the position.

[NeverOutNick]

3 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

I think one of the fun things in the next few weeks will be watching the haters start to crawl out from the sewers. foaming at the mouth, as they don't know what to do with themselves after such an excellent and consequential draft, one that clearly should move the Bills to the next level.

 

I have often said they will do the same thing after the Bills win the Super Bowl, and for the same reasons. Confused, disoriented, and seething with anger, they will soon crawl out, lashing, bashing in an even more bizarre, confrontational manner than before, challenging the stupid fans who could still support a team even after it took them much too long to win it all.

 

Several great examples so far, and many more to come!

Many will be the same as above, "Oh yeah, you think this is so good, what about..." and then the hater will challenge Bills' fans to answer some of the most super negative, bizarre questions they can think up in their rage, one after another.  A clear pattern.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Chargers, Patriots, Panthers, Cowboys, Raiders, Jets, Titans, Seahawks, and maybe 49ers depending on Aiyuk's recovery.  That's off the top of my head.

 

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What did Hollins and cooper produce in Buffalo?  What was the bills offensive rank?   Did the offense score the most points per game in franchise history last year? 

 

2 hours ago, Simon said:

The amount of crying about the roster 4 months before a game is played can sometimes be stunning.

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Totally agree. We should bury 40% of the salary cap in WRs instead of the trenches just like the Dolphins. That’s absolutely the best way to build a team. 🙄

I want to straighten you all out on something. The bills fans advocating for more help in the WR room for Josh are not stating we had a bad draft or that the defense doesn’t need help. We are stating let’s take the same approach you take on the defensive line to the WR room. Beane stated in his post draft presser that he wants to have the most competitive D line training camp and basically let the cream rise to the top even if it means we lose some really good linemen when final cuts happens. Why not do that for Josh at WR? Why not take the approach of teams with lesser QBs like the Packers and Texans or even the Chiefs, who every year bring in multiple drafted WRs and let it be a competition for who gets to be a WR with the best QB in the league. We’re not saying draft a first rounder every year but come on can’t we grab a couple mid to late rounders? Thats how you get guys like Puka, Dontayvion Wicks, Andrei Iosivas, Michael Wilson, just to name a few mid to late WRs the last couple years. Take a couple shots to help the ONLY reason your team is a perennial Super Bowl contender. And you can still have your everyone eats mentality, just with better, cheaper, long term options at the position who won’t have our once in a lifetime QB having to scramble for his life to throw up prayers to guys who can’t come down with clutch plays when it matters. 

[LEBills]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s who Samuel is as a player. He’s a weapon, not a pure WR. That’s who he has been back to Ohio State. He will be more impactful this year, I agree. If people think he’s going to magically become Prime Diggs, he’s not. He’s a guy that’s good with the ball in his hands. He catches screens, runs the ball some, etc.. He is good with the ball in space like Shakir.
 

I do think Kincaid improves as well. I don’t think he improves because he has a ton of untapped upside. He will be 26 years old this season. He’s developed. I think he improves because he wasn’t very good last year. He can be a quality role player. He might never be the top 5 TE I thought he’d become but he can be a top 12ish guy. 
 

I keep hammering on it in the other thread but why do they keep banking on improvement on offense but replacement on defense? Why were they so concerned with upgrading Cam Lewis, Dwayne Carter and J’Marcus Ingram but fine with development from Shavers, Coleman, and Samuel? You could have and should have tried to upgrade on both sides. The WR room needed one guy between rounds 2 & 5 (as it turns out) that could stretch the field. There were LOTS of options.

Exactly. Josh and the offense are subsidizing the defense.

Since Josh was drafted, in the first 3 rounds we have drafted 4 DTs, 4 DEs, 3 LBs and 2 CBs (both firsts). In that same timeframe we have drafted 1 WR, 2 TEs and 3 RBs (two no longer with team and the other, second best player on offense is in a contract battle).

 

People say we don’t need better players bc the offense was already legendary last year. It took a Herculean, MVP effort from Josh to get there. And in the end when Josh needed a player to step up when he didn’t make a perfect defensive read, the game was lost. But because a defense that has had so many resources poured into it sucked, we have to do it again instead of making an honest effort to improve both sides of the ball.

 

I loved the first three rounds of the draft. But then not even trying to get Josh a weapon until the last pick in the draft is malpractice. There is no new talent in the pipeline so that if Keon or Kincaid don’t progress and if Palmer and Samuel are who they have always been, the team has nothing at least being developed behind the underwhelming cast. Which is exactly how we got to this spot when we never drafted anyone when Diggs was here.

I type this like this will get to Beane, it won’t. This is who the Bills are. I’m just frustrated as a fan because I want what is best for the Bills and feel like giving Josh good talent on the offense is what would be best bc I trust him more than our coaches to get the most out of players. 
 

Go Bills, pay James Cook.

[Simon]

9 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Why not do that for Josh at WR?

 

Because the DL is 10x more important to a football team than the WR room

 

10 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

Why not take the approach of teams with lesser QBs like the Packers and Texans or even the Chiefs, who every year bring in multiple drafted WRs and let it be a competition for who gets to be a WR with the best QB in the league.

 

We're better than the Packers and Texans every year partly because we're better in the trenches.

And your heroes in KC, who haven't won a single championship because of their WRs, have spent exactly as many draft picks on passcatchers in the past 3 years as the Bills have.

 

15 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:

I want to straighten you all out on something.

 

........ 

 

 

[FireChans]

Groundhog Day.

 

Is it even possible to still get mad at this stuff anymore?

 

This is like when the drought era Bills refused to seriously invest in QB for years at a time, and TBD would crow that “we did address QB, we brought in Brian BROHM!”

 

We will have serious problems on offense and throw away capital for a WR rental AGAIN, probably. Then bemoan why we don’t have a third round pick, AGAIN. 

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

Because the DL is 10x more important to a football team than the WR room

Contractually, this is not correct. The NFL market has spoken.

[T.E.]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

What WR in this draft was going to change that?

Who knows? Andre Reed was a 4th round pick. Terrell Owens was a 3rd rounder. Both were guys from small schools who were relatively unknown.

 

The point is that they're not even taking a chance on anyone. And no, 7th rounders that they draft solely for special teams don't count. The WR room blows, and they're fine to roll with it because the coach ultimately doesn't like an offense centered around downfield passing.

Edited 6 hours ago by T.E.

[Simon]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Why did we lose to Ravens?  

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401671886/ravens-bills

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401220397/ravens-bills

 

1 hour ago, Pete said:

What did we do to fix it?

 

It's April

 

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Don’t you get sick of Josh getting pummeled after 6 seconds and no one can get open?

 

The fact that you need to use hyperbole to support your complaint is more illuminating than the complaint itself