Defense wins championships

[Brandon]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Actually the offense that scores the most points wins championships, 

 

Thankfully,  the offense has everything it needs.  That's the message when the top offensive picks are a #3 TE for run blocking and OT competition for the last roster spot.  The defense now has everything it needs,  too,  after this draft and day 2 last year,  plus the three DL guys they signed in FA.  

 

And so,  there are no longer any excuses.  They have the team they want.  

Edited 16 hours ago by Brandon

[tigerthelion]

2 hours ago, Success said:

Our opponents have averaged over 33 points per game in our playoffs losses.

 

Our offense is always going to score w/ Allen & a solid surrounding cast.  We didn't need a round 3 receiver in a pretty middlin' receiver draft to move the needle there.

 

But we need a defense that can shut teams down.  I don't know how this draft will pan out - but I like the mindset, the strategy and the picks.  In the 1st 4 rounds, every pick we got was expected to go before our pick by most pundits I saw, and they all bring something to the table that we haven't really had. 

 

I love this draft.  Combined w/ our FA additions, it's hard to see this defense being any less than top 5 (and not just statistically).

 

🧐That is quite a leap of faith.  

[SinceThe70s]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Actually the offense that scores the most points wins championships, 

Bullspit. The team that scores the most points wins the championships.

[K D]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

For all their Pro Bowlers, how many times have the Ravens made the Super Bowl since they acquired Lamar Jackson?  The same number of times as the Bills.  They've made the AFCCC game only once -- and lost to the Chiefs.   Just a few months ago, the talented Ravens lost to what you consider the "talentless"  Bills in the Divisional round.  There's more to building a team that wins the Super Bowl than simply accumulating talent. 

 

Both the Bills and Ravens are trying to get to the Super Bowl, and that road invariably goes through KC.  If either team can beat KC, they will have a good shot at beating whomever they meet in the Super Bowl.

I guess you got me there. We shouldn't try and get pro bowl level talent. Let's just let Josh have to run around and be superman because the rest of the team is mediocre. Did you think that maybe if we had a couple of other pro bowlers we might have won by now? Josh can only run around like that for maybe a handful more years. We actually need some players on this team around him not just depth guys

 

This is a Bills forum so every year everyone is very impressed with the draft but then they never turn into top guys just guys which is fine, we have a solid team. Just no stars. This year seems like more of the same. I guess we'll see.

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, K D said:

Who did we get that's a difference maker? Looks like a bunch of depth and role players. Teams that win it all have stars and pro bowlers. We have Josh and who else? Don't say it's because of where we pick. Look at our draft vs the Ravens or Eagles. We need pro bowlers to move the needle

each of the top 4 picks we made have that potential. Now they just have to execute.

[K D]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

each of the top 4 picks we made have that potential. Now they just have to execute.

Maybe I guess we'll see. None of those guys stand out to me as this is going to be a great player but you never know.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Brandon said:

 

Thankfully,  the offense has everything it needs.  That's the message when the top offensive picks are a #3 TE for run blocking and OT competition for the last roster spot.  The defense now has everything it needs,  too,  after this draft and day 2 last year,  plus the three DL guys they signed in FA.  

 

And so,  there are no longer any excuses.  They have the team they want.  

Fingers crossed 🤞 

[Herc11]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Actually the offense that scores the most points wins championships, 

Not if the defense scores more than the other teams offense

[NeverOutNick]

18 minutes ago, K D said:

I guess you got me there. We shouldn't try and get pro bowl level talent. Let's just let Josh have to run around and be superman because the rest of the team is mediocre. Did you think that maybe if we had a couple of other pro bowlers we might have won by now? Josh can only run around like that for maybe a handful more years. We actually need some players on this team around him not just depth guys

 

This is a Bills forum so every year everyone is very impressed with the draft but then they never turn into top guys just guys which is fine, we have a solid team. Just no stars. This year seems like more of the same. I guess we'll see.

Agreed. This feels like groundhogs day. Everyone is excited we had a “solid draft” but looking back we’re going to say hmmm should we have traded up just a couple more picks for that Burden guy. Man he is a playmaker instead of getting Sanders who is playing 30% of the snaps. Remember Carter over Franklin last year, what about Kincaid over moving up a couple picks for flowers? Just one of these days it’d be nice to have some real weapons for Josh so when we play the chiefs in the divisional or championship game someone can actually come down with the ball and we don’t have to rely on some jag like sherfield, or an overpaid diva like Diggs or a TE to come down with a clutch catch to be the difference. Maybe just maybe we draft multiple young cheap weapons for our franchise QB like EVERY other NFL team that has their franchise QB does. I mean Love sucks balls but every year it’s 2 new weapons for that loser. Just give Josh some darn respect

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, Success said:

Our opponents have averaged over 33 points per game in our playoffs losses.

 

Our offense is always going to score w/ Allen & a solid surrounding cast.  We didn't need a round 3 receiver in a pretty middlin' receiver draft to move the needle there.

 

But we need a defense that can shut teams down.  I don't know how this draft will pan out - but I like the mindset, the strategy and the picks.  In the 1st 4 rounds, every pick we got was expected to go before our pick by most pundits I saw, and they all bring something to the table that we haven't really had. 

 

I love this draft.  Combined w/ our FA additions, it's hard to see this defense being any less than top 5 (and not just statistically).

 

Exactly. I've been preaching this since the end of last season. Josh won an MVP with a cast of rag tag WRs. Yes, it would be nice to have a Megatron or Justin Jefferson, but how much better can his numbers really get? Allen is breaking so many records that it is pretty much becoming routine. Defense (and STs) have continuously been the downfall of this team YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. Something had to be done. It makes me seethe w/ rage watching Mahomes effortlessly march down the field in the playoffs. If Allen had the defenses the Bills had in the 2000s, he would've had a couple rings by now. Beane did a good job. I think we all deep down knew they were going CB in round 1. It's not flashy, but it was needed.

[90sBills]

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

 

And so,  there are no longer any excuses.  They have the team they want.  

First time here?

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I feel like Beane drafts high floor low ceiling players.   Likely, this draft will be the same.  We need someone to break through on defense.  We need a game wrecker.  I don't think we got one though Hairston has a chance.

Totally agree...the floor rose but the ceiling didn't.  Hairston will be a nice CB2 but the gamewrecker has gotta come from Sanders, Jackson or Walker.  I just don't know if any of these 3 can duplicate what Chris Jones does?

[Greg S]

4 hours ago, K D said:

Who did we get that's a difference maker? Looks like a bunch of depth and role players. Teams that win it all have stars and pro bowlers. We have Josh and who else? Don't say it's because of where we pick. Look at our draft vs the Ravens or Eagles. We need pro bowlers to move the needle

 

[Shortchaz]

Anyone who watched Jalen Carter sack Matthew Stafford in the NFC championship game knows exactly why we drafted the way we did. 

[JoshAllin]

Defense helps Allen even more. The draft pretty much fortified the defense all the way through for the playoffs

[Mister Defense]

8 hours ago, K D said:

Who did we get that's a difference maker? Looks like a bunch of depth and role players. Teams that win it all have stars and pro bowlers. We have Josh and who else? Don't say it's because of where we pick. Look at our draft vs the Ravens or Eagles. We need pro bowlers to move the needle

 

Try to take off the hate glasses and look at this draft in a more objective manner, instead of automatically coming up with super negative, completely unsupported points.

 

The hate clouds your vision, fogs up your glasses, so you cannot see things clearly, as they really are.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

For all their Pro Bowlers, how many times have the Ravens made the Super Bowl since they acquired Lamar Jackson?  The same number of times as the Bills.  They've made the AFCCC game only once -- and lost to the Chiefs.   Just a few months ago, the talented Ravens lost to what you consider the "talentless"  Bills in the Divisional round.  There's more to building a team that wins the Super Bowl than simply accumulating talent. 

 

Both the Bills and Ravens are trying to get to the Super Bowl, and that road invariably goes through KC.  If either team can beat KC, they will have a good shot at beating whomever they meet in the Super Bowl.

 

Put Josh or Mahomes in Lamar's place and the Ravens would have won at least one SB by now. Their problem is, more often that not, he chokes in high pressure situations. With the quality rosters they've built around him, they should have claimed at least one ring over the past few years.

[SoTier]

9 hours ago, K D said:

I guess you got me there. We shouldn't try and get pro bowl level talent. Let's just let Josh have to run around and be superman because the rest of the team is mediocre. Did you think that maybe if we had a couple of other pro bowlers we might have won by now? Josh can only run around like that for maybe a handful more years. We actually need some players on this team around him not just depth guys

 

This is a Bills forum so every year everyone is very impressed with the draft but then they never turn into top guys just guys which is fine, we have a solid team. Just no stars. This year seems like more of the same. I guess we'll see.

 

Nobody has any idea how any draft pick is going to turn out immediately after the draft, especially posters on fan forums.   

[TPS]

12 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

As I have been saying, before the draft and now, it was all about the defense, and in particular the "almost bare" outside corner situation, and the defensive line, in particular tackle. And that the Bills should get at least two high quality d tackles and at least 2 corners, but hopefully more.  And that they should parlay all draft capital to make these the best  players they can possibly get. 

 

As it should be all about quality now, and about giving up the over reliance on quantity , the just hoping some work out, with an over reliance on mediocre or less than that players.

 

So, I am biased, as that was my opinion for over a month. 

 

I believe this was the best and most important draft in my lifetime, and I believe it will be a seminal moment in Bills' history, one of the most consequential.

 

I was worried Beane would play it safe, and not put all of their eggs into the defensive basket, and not use their draft capital to consistently be aggressive.  But he took a big swing. That is what one does when they are going for the gold.

 

A prediction: Sadly, I bet McDermott breaks his face in the next few days from smiling and laughing so much. 

 

Bravo, Brandon.

 

And to the many who worked so hard to make this all come together so well.

 

 

 

 

Oliver, Carter, Rousseau, Hoecht, and Solomon are the only players (on the 53) whose contracts go beyond this year, so the Bills certainly needed to re-stock the DL; or, Beane could do his usual and patch it together with one-year vet contracts. This draft was certainly needed.

[Mister Defense]

8 minutes ago, TPS said:

Oliver, Carter, Rousseau, Hoecht, and Solomon are the only players (on the 53) whose contracts go beyond this year, so the Bills certainly needed to re-stock the DL; or, Beane could do his usual and patch it together with one-year vet contracts. This draft was certainly needed.

 

Yes, very true, and one more reason for them to have done what they did so well in this draft.

 

And something I pointed to before the draft--think of the money that will be saved on the defense, with young, cheap talent, starters and depth, if several of the players come through (they will, always do).

 

And how that will benefit the offense next year, with the expensive contracts needed for the most important lineman on the team, the offensive guys, the men who protect our superstar and open holes for  the running game.

 

A very  overlooked reason to do what they did this year, killing two birds with one big stone.