Bills 6th Round Pick (#1) : Dorian Strong - CB - VA Tech

[noacls]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They scored enough points until they didn’t. It’s not an agenda. It’s a fact. 2 years in a row they had the ball with a chance to win and didn’t. They didn’t have enough people besides Josh, and the backs, to make a play. They fell short. You can say, yeah but they scored 47 against the Jags so they’re good enough. I hold them to a higher standard. If you think that the skill players on this team are good enough, we strongly disagree.

2 years in a row the defense couldn't make a stop when they needed to. They should have lost to Ravens if a wide open Andrews could catch. 

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

It’s not that we think the Offense is a problem.. it’s more-so that we’re worried Allen plays through pretty serious injuries almost every year due to us relying on him being so elite that we can just do whatever at WR. 
 

Now, some of that is just who he is.  
 

But it’s a year to year league and we saw Allen get mauled in a two game stretch, in a year he won MVP, where WR was the main culprit.

 

We traded for Cooper and either because of, or by coincidence, started to figure things out.

 

But the “we need a WR” crowd isn’t even asking for some big time player. 
 

Me, personally, I’d even be ok with this WR room if Gabe Davis was odd man out in Jax and we brought him back.  Just give me another WR3 type so Allen’s room isn’t just 4 guys:  Shakir, the potential of Keon and the potential of Palmer with our 4th WR being a guy who hasn’t proven he can stay healthy.  
 

I do love this pick though, and Beane crushed the Draft Defensively.   Theres just one piece missing.. a speed or deep threat WR. 
 

For sure I do agree the bills should have added a speed receiver. But I wouldn't invested anything crazy at it.

 

A 4th round pick in Royals? Sure I would have liked that.

 

But I do think Beane was absolutely correct in addressing the defence in days 1 and 2. And this is coming from me, who usually pounds the table for a receiver In the 1st round

[Kirby Jackson]

14 minutes ago, noacls said:

2 years in a row the defense couldn't make a stop when they needed to. They should have lost to Ravens if a wide open Andrews could catch. 

It isn’t this OR that. It is this AND that. That has been my entire point in both threads. They had 4 needs: starting caliber CB, rotational DT, at least one more DL and a WR that can stretch the field vertically. Through their first 3 picks, they check the first 3 boxes. They had 7 picks yesterday (and the last 2 offseasons) to address the 4th box. They didn’t.

They saw the 3rd least 2 high last year. That’s pretty much impossible with Josh Allen at QB. It looks like that’s what’s coming again. They’ve built a set of skill players that can’t threaten a team down the field and outside the numbers. What does that mean? It means that they will face more crowds in the middle and near the LOS. That’s where they like to operate. There will be less space for Shakir, Cook and Josh Allen. Why do that to yourself? Why not make sure that you get one of the 10ish guys on day 3 that is sub 4.4 and brings that skillset? It’s not like you had 1 pick or 1 option. There were lots of ways to get it done and they didn’t for the 2nd straight year. I don’t understand why you’d handcuff Josh Allen. 

[FireChans]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It isn’t this OR that. It is this AND that. That has been my entire point in both threads. They had 4 needs: starting caliber CB, rotational DT, at least one more DL and a WR that can stretch the field vertically. Through their first 3 picks, they check the first 3 boxes. They had 7 picks yesterday (and the last 2 offseasons) to address the 4th box. They didn’t.

They saw the 3rd least 2 high last year. That’s pretty much impossible with Josh Allen at QB. It looks like that’s what’s coming again. They’ve built a set of skill players that can’t threaten a team down the field and outside the numbers. What does that mean? It means that they will face more crowds in the middle and near the LOS. That’s where they like to operate. There will be less space for Shakir, Cook and Josh Allen. Why do that to yourself? Why not make sure that you get one of the 10ish guys on day 3 that is sub 4.4 and brings that skillset? It’s not like you had 1 pick or 1 option. There were lots of ways to get it done and they didn’t for the 2nd straight year. I don’t understand why you’d handcuff Josh Allen. 

Beane’s got these folks in a chokehold.

 

”we couldn’t/shouldn’t upgrade the offense because we need to upgrade the defense” is a OBD talking point, word for word, bar for bar. Beane is an above average GM, but he is 1 of 1 when it comes to manipulating the fan base.

[noacls]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It isn’t this OR that. It is this AND that. That has been my entire point in both threads. They had 4 needs: starting caliber CB, rotational DT, at least one more DL and a WR that can stretch the field vertically. Through their first 3 picks, they check the first 3 boxes. They had 7 picks yesterday (and the last 2 offseasons) to address the 4th box. They didn’t.

They saw the 3rd least 2 high last year. That’s pretty much impossible with Josh Allen at QB. It looks like that’s what’s coming again. They’ve built a set of skill players that can’t threaten a team down the field and outside the numbers. What does that mean? It means that they will face more crowds in the middle and near the LOS. That’s where they like to operate. There will be less space for Shakir, Cook and Josh Allen. Why do that to yourself? Why not make sure that you get one of the 10ish guys on day 3 that is sub 4.4 and brings that skillset? It’s not like you had 1 pick or 1 option. There were lots of ways to get it done and they didn’t for the 2nd straight year. I don’t understand why you’d handcuff Josh Allen. 

First team ever to have 30 pass td 30 rush td. 

K.J. Hamler 4.27

Curtis Samuel 4.31

Jalen Virgil 4.40 

Khalil Shakir 4.43

Kaeden Prather 4.46 at 6'4"

It's a myth Bills don't have speed at WR

[Kirby Jackson]

24 minutes ago, noacls said:

First team ever to have 30 pass td 30 rush td. 

K.J. Hamler 4.27

Curtis Samuel 4.31

Jalen Virgil 4.40 

Khalil Shakir 4.43

Kaeden Prather 4.46 at 6'4"

It's a myth Bills don't have speed at WR

Lol, no it’s not. They said it 🤣🤣. Go rewatch the end of the year press conferences. Those players that you listed COMBINED for 108 catches, 1143 yards and 6 TDs. Trey McBride had 111 receptions for 1146 yards 🤣🤣. Hamler and Virgil were picked up after being released elsewhere. Shavers has 1 catch ever. Samuel is a role player that has averaged like 10 YPC in his career, Prather was the 28th WR selected 🤣 and Shakir is a good slot. You can’t be serious with this? You can’t. 🤣🤣
 

33 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Beane’s got these folks in a chokehold.

 

”we couldn’t/shouldn’t upgrade the offense because we need to upgrade the defense” is a OBD talking point, word for word, bar for bar. Beane is an above average GM, but he is 1 of 1 when it comes to manipulating the fan base.

100% 

 

Just look above 🤣🤣. Hamler, Virgil, Shavers, Prather, Samuel and Shakir is enough speed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Edited 14 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, noacls said:

I understand it now you're  just mad they didn't pick the guy you want. Your draft skills are as good as your coverage skills. 🤣

Bro, you just tried to make an argument using Tyrell Shavers, KJ Hamler, Jalen Virgil and Kaden Prather 🤣. Those guys COMBINED for one more NFL reception than you or I last year. I’m good with having a discussion but have something to support it other than googled 40 times. If you wanted to discuss how Palmer is one of the league leaders in separation and has averaged over 15 YPC over the last 2 years, that would be something. To tell me that Jalen Virgil and KJ Hamler ran fast 40’s is absurd.
 

I listed like 10 or so guys, that went on day 3, that run sub 4.4, most of whom visited, all of whom are known as field stretchers as my argument. You didn’t need a certain guy. You needed one of the dozen or whatever it was that went (that may be conservative). They took the 28th guy who has a slow 10 and 20 yard split. He doesn’t get off the line. He has decent long speed. Prather doesnt solve their problem. If you want to object, feel free but bring more than Hamler & Virgil’s 40 times.  

[noacls]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Bro, you just tried to make an argument using Tyrell Shavers, KJ Hamler, Jalen Virgil and Kaden Prather 🤣. Those guys COMBINED for one more NFL reception than you or I last year. I’m good with having a discussion but have something to support it other than googled 40 times. If you wanted to discuss how Palmer is one of the league leaders in separation and has averaged over 15 YPC over the last 2 years, that would be something. To tell me that Jalen Virgil and KJ Hamler ran fast 40’s is absurd.
 

I listed like 10 or so guys, that went on day 3, that run sub 4.4, most of whom visited, all of whom are known as field stretchers as my argument. You didn’t need a certain guy. You needed one of the dozen or whatever it was that went (that may be conservative). They took the 28th guy who has a slow 10 and 20 yard split. He doesn’t get off the line. He has decent long speed. Prather doesnt solve their problem. If you want to object, feel free but bring more than Hamler & Virgil’s 40 times.  

I apologize, I deleted that after I posted. Good day to you kirby

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, noacls said:

I apologize, I deleted that after I posted. Good day to you kirby

All good man!! You have a good day too and Go Bills!! 🍻

[noacls]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

All good man!! You have a good day too and Go Bills!! 🍻

We must agree to disagree my man! 👍

[st pete gogolak]

20 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Cornacopia

Really wanted Reggie Corner to make it, even more than Ed Wang.

[JGMcD2]

14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

In this draft they had 4 things that had to happen. They had to get a starting caliber CB. They had to get a DT (preferably a 1T). They had to get another DL and had to get someone to stretch the field vertically. By yesterday they had checked 3 of the 4 boxes. They had 7 chances today to check the 4th and didn’t. 

And what if it was their assessment that all of those options didn’t move the needle and weren’t an upgrade? (I.E. spending countless hours evaluating and ranking players to draft)
 

They just take a guy for the sake of appeasing Kirby Jackson? 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

And what if it was their assessment that all of those options didn’t move the needle and weren’t an upgrade? (I.E. spending countless hours evaluating and ranking players to draft)
 

They just take a guy for the sake of appeasing Kirby Jackson? 

They said that they needed it. Both McDermott and Beane said it publicly. They used something like 11 of their 30 pre-draft visits on the guys I’m referring to. They 100% believed that they needed it. They got sniped once or twice (see Horton). They should have priorized it more and used those late round picks to make sure that they got their guy. It’s not rocket science and not something I’m making up. 

[Logic]

15 hours ago, FireChans said:

THEY PLAY MORE GAMES NOW

 

 

ok fine, how about this: they were second in the league in points per game.

[NoName]

Looking at these new defensive backs we drafted, I don’t think Dane Jackson is going to make this team.  All three of the new guys are   Very talented.  
 

I also think either Forrest or Hamlin will get cut.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, noacls said:

First team ever to have 30 pass td 30 rush td. 

K.J. Hamler 4.27

Curtis Samuel 4.31

Jalen Virgil 4.40 

Khalil Shakir 4.43

Kaeden Prather 4.46 at 6'4"

It's a myth Bills don't have speed at WR

None of those are a true vertical threat though like DK Metcalf would've been.  A 6'4 inch 225 lbs. specimen who ran a 4.33 would've been well worth it even if it meant drafting one DT instead of two.  Any chance you can get what will pry go from a great to elite player like Diggs did with upgrading QB's to Allen.  You do it.  That goes for any of the premium positions on either side of the ball imo.  Same goes for last year's draft with us having the ammunition to trade for the last true player that could win at all levels of the field in Brian Thomas Jr..  I also would've preferred Mitchell over Coleman for that same reason.

 

28 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They said that they needed it. Both McDermott and Beane said it publicly. They used something like 11 of their 30 pre-draft visits on the guys I’m referring to. They 100% believed that they needed it. They got sniped once or twice (see Horton). They should have priorized it more and used those late round picks to make sure that they got their guy. It’s not rocket science and not something I’m making up. 

I didn't listen to any of the press conferences really since locker clean out day so I'll take your word for it.  I saw what the problem was after the Chiefs game and I didn't need McDermott and Beane trying to minimize how awful our defense was.  I also have never put stock in top 30 visits because I never know if it's a smoke screen or not.  Although maybe I should after this draft.  I didn't know they said it publicly that we needed a vertical field stretcher.  I would've been way more pissed if they drafted a Troy Franklin/Xavier Lagette type player over a defensive lineman or CB in the 3rd to 5th round.  At least with those WR visits the glass half full side of me shows me the Bills brass recognized the one missing element in our WR core and might somehow address it over the next couple of months.    

Edited 12 hours ago by Doc Brown

[ColoradoBills]

Just want to ask, can we keep the draft threads about the rookies "about the rookies"?

[Augie]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They said that they needed it. Both McDermott and Beane said it publicly. They used something like 11 of their 30 pre-draft visits on the guys I’m referring to. They 100% believed that they needed it. They got sniped once or twice (see Horton). They should have priorized it more and used those late round picks to make sure that they got their guy. It’s not rocket science and not something I’m making up. 

 

Do you think it’s possible they were hoping for Dont’e Thornton Jr at #109 but he went to the Raiders the pick before us, so we went with Walker? I don’t pretend to know if that would have been the right move, but he sounds like the field stretcher we are seeking. 

 

I’m sure every draft has twists and turns like that. Being in the war room for a draft might be the coolest ”sporting event” I can think of attending. They always say all the right things at the podium, but you know there’s got to be some things that went wrong at the last minute. 

 

 

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Edited 8 hours ago by Augie

[JGMcD2]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They said that they needed it. Both McDermott and Beane said it publicly. They used something like 11 of their 30 pre-draft visits on the guys I’m referring to. They 100% believed that they needed it. They got sniped once or twice (see Horton). They should have priorized it more and used those late round picks to make sure that they got their guy. It’s not rocket science and not something I’m making up. 

That’s not really the point I was making. It’s fine that they identified a need and brought those guys in.

 

The point is, trying to fill a need doesn’t automatically mean they thought the available options were upgrades or that they would add meaningful value in that role.

[JDHillFan]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, no it’s not. They said it 🤣🤣. Go rewatch the end of the year press conferences. Those players that you listed COMBINED for 108 catches, 1143 yards and 6 TDs. Trey McBride had 111 receptions for 1146 yards 🤣🤣. Hamler and Virgil were picked up after being released elsewhere. Shavers has 1 catch ever. Samuel is a role player that has averaged like 10 YPC in his career, Prather was the 28th WR selected 🤣 and Shakir is a good slot. You can’t be serious with this? You can’t. 🤣🤣
 

100% 

 

Just look above 🤣🤣. Hamler, Virgil, Shavers, Prather, Samuel and Shakir is enough speed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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