Bills 6th Round Pick (#1) : Dorian Strong - CB - VA Tech

[BillsFan130]

43 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

The Tampa style defense feasts when you put teams in passing situations. When you don’t it gets crushed. I personally hate the scheme, hate it even more as teams started deliberately attacking the run last year to circumvent it. It’s not a playoff defense. It’s a scrub beater system.  It is a huge mistake by our fanbase to assume our schemes are the best fit for the current and future (next 4 years) NFL. 

Yep exactly.

And even if you get teams in passing downs- If you can't generate pass rush with your front 4, you're screwed.

As smart veteran QBs will pick apart the zone if they have any modest time to throw 

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

And yet the offense is the strength of this team despite these lower allocations. For every Brian Thomas vs Keon Carpenter I can show you Skyy Moore vs Khalil Shakir. We've been the 2nd best team in the league since got McDermott/Beane. Sorry I can't hate that production and it's not just Josh Allen.

They are the strength of the team because of Josh Allen. That’s the point. The OL is good. Can you imagine how good they could be if they didn’t say, “hey Josh, go make Mack Hollins good?” What if they called Nico Collins name instead of Boogie Basham? We can play the this guy drafted vs. that guy drafted game all day. The data says, they’ve given WAY more to the defense and it hasn’t worked. Now, we are trying it again.

 

Both Beane and McDermott belong on the hot seat. If this roster doesn’t get to the Super Bowl, there is no reason to continue letting them try again. You’re wasting Josh Allen instead of helping him. If your pitcher throws 98 MPH, it’s more impactful to get him to 102 MPH than it is to take his awful curveball and bring it to below average. It’s the strengthfinders concept. It’s a test and concept that everyone should look into. What you’re not good at is less important than strengthening your strengths. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[The Jokeman]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

They are the strength of the team because of Josh Allen. That’s the point. The OL is good. Can you imagine how good they could be if they didn’t say, “hey Josh, go make Mack Hollins good.” What if they called Nico Collins name instead of Boogie Basham? We can play the this guy drafted vs. that guy drafted game all day. The data says, they’ve given WAY more to the defense and it hasn’t worked. Now, we are trying it again.

 

Both Beane and McDermott belong on the hot seat. If this roster doesn’t get to the Super Bowl, there is no reason to continue letting them try again. You’re wasting Josh Allen instead of helping him. If your pitcher throws 98 MPH, it’s more impactful to get him to 102 MPH than it is to take his awful curveball and bring it to below average. It’s the strengthfinders concept. It’s a test and concept that everyone should look into. What you’re not good at is less important than strengthening your strengths. 

One game away from the Super Bowl last year. An injury to our best CB played large part of that loss. I'm sorry but to me in football you can win a lot more by stopping the opposition and score than trying to outscore the opposition imo. 

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

One game away from the Super Bowl last year. An injury to our best CB played large part of that loss. I'm sorry but to me in football you can win a lot more by stopping the opposition and score than trying to outscore the opposition imo. 

Alright, let me ask you this, “if the Bills are to win a Super Bowl, what is the likeliest way?” I’ll say, our MVP QB is the most important piece. I don’t think a case can be made otherwise. The most important thing is for him to go in with a loaded gun.

 

They don’t believe that. It hasn’t worked. Lots and lots and lots of people over the years could have taken Josh Allen to where he has gotten. Instead of trying to cover holes, they should be making his fastball faster and then covering the holes. They are sending him out with a bottom 5ish group of pass catchers again. That’s malpractice. if you look at the asset allocation they’ve given him WAY less than any other top QB has been given in terms of playmakers. The draft value charts will illustrate that. My question is why? It hasn’t worked so why keep trying it that way? You win BECAUSE of Josh. You aren’t going to win a Super Bowl because you have the 8th best defense instead of the 14th best or whatever. It is Josh Allen.

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

18 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

One game away from the Super Bowl last year. An injury to our best CB played large part of that loss. I'm sorry but to me in football you can win a lot more by stopping the opposition and score than trying to outscore the opposition imo. 

gotta do both...

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Alright, let me ask you this, “if the Bills are to win a Super Bowl, what is the likeliest way?” I’ll say, our MVP QB is the most important piece. I don’t think a case can be made otherwise. The most important thing is for him to go in with a loaded gun.

 

They don’t believe that. It hasn’t worked. Lots and lots and lots of people over the years could have taken Josh Allen to where he has gotten. Instead of trying to cover holes, they should be making his fastball faster and then covering the holes. They are sending him out with a bottom 5ish group of pass catchers again. That’s malpractice. if you look at the asset allocation they’ve given him WAY less than any other top QB has been given in terms of playmakers. The draft value charts will illustrate that. My question is why? It hasn’t worked so why keep trying it that way? You win BECAUSE of Josh. You aren’t going to win a Super Bowl because you have the 8th best defense instead of the 14th best or whatever. It is Josh Allen.

Except you can't win a Super Bowl unless your in the game and he Chiefs/Bengals won't let us in the game. Better D wins those games. We scored plenty of points.

[The Jokeman]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Alright, let me ask you this, “if the Bills are to win a Super Bowl, what is the likeliest way?” I’ll say, our MVP QB is the most important piece. I don’t think a case can be made otherwise. The most important thing is for him to go in with a loaded gun.

 

They don’t believe that. It hasn’t worked. Lots and lots and lots of people over the years could have taken Josh Allen to where he has gotten. Instead of trying to cover holes, they should be making his fastball faster and then covering the holes. They are sending him out with a bottom 5ish group of pass catchers again. That’s malpractice. if you look at the asset allocation they’ve given him WAY less than any other top QB has been given in terms of playmakers. The draft value charts will illustrate that. My question is why? It hasn’t worked so why keep trying it that way? You win BECAUSE of Josh. You aren’t going to win a Super Bowl because you have the 8th best defense instead of the 14th best or whatever. It is Josh Allen.

Since Tyreek left KC the Chiefs WR group hasn't been great but why do they keep making Super Bowls? They've stopped offenses. Why'd the Eagles beat the Chiefs? Their defense destroyed the Chiefs. Why did the Bills lose their 4 Super Bowls? The oppositions defense stopped our strong offense. How much better does our offense have to be that we can guarantee we'll win every game? Score 40 points a game. Yeah sorry it's not realistic. Give me a defense than can hold teams to under 20 a game and feel we have a much better chance of winning cuz I have confidence out offense can score 21 more on a regular basis even with the "sub par" talent we have. 

10 minutes ago, Bills Fan of St Augustine said:

gotta do both...

And thus far we haven't been good enough on defense in the playoffs. Plain and simple. 

Edited 22 hours ago by The Jokeman

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

If White gets cut how much does he make?  I have no idea how salaries work.  LOL

 

Tre won't be cut.  If he gets beat out, he will "find his way" to the IR and be there if needed later.

Count on that.

[Maine-iac]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Our WR room is bottom 10, my guy.

 

Our TE are average. 

 

Yes the OL is good.

 

And RB are done a dozen. Name on guy on the offense that is a deep threat. 

Yet here we are scoring 30 something points a game.  It would be like Cleveland complaining about drafting offense because they need to put better players around Garrett.

[NewEra]

32 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Alright, let me ask you this, “if the Bills are to win a Super Bowl, what is the likeliest way?” I’ll say, our MVP QB is the most important piece. I don’t think a case can be made otherwise. The most important thing is for him to go in with a loaded gun.

 

They don’t believe that. It hasn’t worked. Lots and lots and lots of people over the years could have taken Josh Allen to where he has gotten. Instead of trying to cover holes, they should be making his fastball faster and then covering the holes. They are sending him out with a bottom 5ish group of pass catchers again. That’s malpractice. if you look at the asset allocation they’ve given him WAY less than any other top QB has been given in terms of playmakers. The draft value charts will illustrate that. My question is why? It hasn’t worked so why keep trying it that way? You win BECAUSE of Josh. You aren’t going to win a Super Bowl because you have the 8th best defense instead of the 14th best or whatever. It is Josh Allen.

And he won’t win until the defense can get stops.  We’ve seen Josh play better than any QB in the history of the league…. And still lost….because we couldn’t get stops.  Until we can, we will continue to lose in the playoffs.  The defense has to get better.

Edited 22 hours ago by NewEra

[TheBrownBear]

Gotta say, I really like this draft. No shiny toys, but we likely turned both the D line and DB rooms from positions of need/weakness, to positions of strength.  And I'm guessing they view Hancock as a safety. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Gotta say, I really like this draft. No shiny toys, but we likely turned both the D line and DB rooms from positions of need/weakness, to positions of strength.  And I'm guessing they view Hancock as a safety. 

We got Jackson! He'll be a "Shiny Toy"!😁

[Andrew Son]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

And he won’t win the the defense can’t get stops.  We’ve seen Josh play better than any QB in the history of the league…. And still lost….because we couldn’t get stops.  Until we can, we will continue to lose in the playoffs.  The defense has to get better.

I’m absolutely amazed that people can argue with this.

 

Every season people complain about the defense letting us down.  Yet in the offseason  the same people want to focus on improving our strength 

[TheBrownBear]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Alright, let me ask you this, “if the Bills are to win a Super Bowl, what is the likeliest way?” I’ll say, our MVP QB is the most important piece. I don’t think a case can be made otherwise. The most important thing is for him to go in with a loaded gun.

 

They don’t believe that. It hasn’t worked. Lots and lots and lots of people over the years could have taken Josh Allen to where he has gotten. Instead of trying to cover holes, they should be making his fastball faster and then covering the holes. They are sending him out with a bottom 5ish group of pass catchers again. That’s malpractice. if you look at the asset allocation they’ve given him WAY less than any other top QB has been given in terms of playmakers. The draft value charts will illustrate that. My question is why? It hasn’t worked so why keep trying it that way? You win BECAUSE of Josh. You aren’t going to win a Super Bowl because you have the 8th best defense instead of the 14th best or whatever. It is Josh Allen.

Tampa and Philly won their recent championships by beating the piss out of Mahomes with defense.

[Kirby Jackson]

36 minutes ago, Bills Fan of St Augustine said:

gotta do both...

Except you can't win a Super Bowl unless your in the game and he Chiefs/Bengals won't let us in the game. Better D wins those games. We scored plenty of points.

We didn’t score “plenty” because we lost. Plenty would be more than the opposition.  We had the ball and a chance to win both times. Allen was superhuman and it wasn’t enough. Imagine if he had someone else taking on some of that load?

5 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Tampa and Philly won their recent championships by beating the piss out of Mahomes with defense.

Okay, if we get by Mahomes, would we have been manhandled the same way by the Philly d? They would have just attacked Josh knowing that no one else scared them. Our OL is just better than KC.

 

Our defensive scheme is as much of an issue as the talent. We keep throwing assets at it and ending up in the same place. I’d rather try giving Josh some dudes at WR.

13 minutes ago, NewEra said:

And he won’t win until the defense can get stops.  We’ve seen Josh play better than any QB in the history of the league…. And still lost….because we couldn’t get stops.  Until we can, we will continue to lose in the playoffs.  The defense has to get better.

No one is saying that the defense didn’t need to get better!! I’m saying you didn’t need to draft only defensive players. You should have taken the speed guy before Walker, Lee Smith, 2 more CBs, etc… They brought a zillion guys in and missed on them all. Today was a fail. The first few rounds were good.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

Josh Palmer ***** SUCKS

Someone should've told Beane.

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

We didn’t score “plenty” because we lost. Plenty would be more than the opposition.  We had the ball and a chance to win both times. Allen was superhuman and it wasn’t enough. Imagine if he had someone else taking on some of that load?

Okay, if we get by Mahomes, would we have been manhandled the same way by the Philly d? They would have just attacked Josh knowing that no one else scared them. Our OL is just better than KC.

 

Our defensive scheme is as much of an issue as the talent. We keep throwing assets at it and ending up in the same place. I’d rather try giving Josh some dudes at WR.

No one is saying that the defense didn’t need to get better!! I’m saying you didn’t need to draft only defensive players. You should have taken the speed guy before Walker, Lee Smith, 2 more CBs, etc… They brought a zillion guys in and missed on them all. Today was a fail. The first few rounds were good.

You think they should have.  Maybe you’re right.  Maybe you’re not.  Maybe Lee Smith 2.0 will actually have a roll.  Dorian Strong was seen as a day 2 prospect in some people’s eyes.  

 

I’d prefer we had drafted a WR over Hancock-  but we aren’t the ones building this team and we don’t know what their plan is with each of these players.  I’m not going to pretend to know what the bills SHOULD do.  

 

I remembered sitting at the draft when Christian Benford was picked thinking, “who?  WTH! Never heard of him.  Well at least we drafted Shakir and punt god today”.  
 

“They brought in a zillion guy in and missed on all of them?”  I think you're better than this and it seems like a drunken reaction.  Were you sober when posted that they missed on the entire day?

[Donuts and Doritos]

How many cornerbacks do we need?

[NewEra]

40 minutes ago, Andrew Son said:

I’m absolutely amazed that people can argue with this.

 

Every season people complain about the defense letting us down.  Yet in the offseason  the same people want to focus on improving our strength 

Seriously. Oh well.  Sucks for them

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’m good with our Draft, just wish we could have a trade partner to add 1 or 2 picks next April.. 🤷‍♂️

 

I'm not good with our draft. 

 

I think the NFL should have a rule that any team that's been around 50 years or more and still doesn't have a Super Bowl victory will be given 2 picks each round.  

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Coleman was the 9th WR selected. Palmer and Samuel are role players. Kincaid has been underwhelming. The OL is good. They absolutely haven’t dedicated anywhere near the resources to offense than defense. Use the draft value chart since 2017 and decipher points to offense vs. defense. It’s not even close. FA dollars too

Forget the resources we've used since 2017.  It's irrelevant at the present moment and a McBeane failure on defense.  After watching the Ravens and Chiefs game last season which side of the ball needed a major overhaul?  I don't want to be like the Bengals and hope our offense scores 35 plus points because that's our only chance to win.