stlbills13 Posted 18 hours ago Posted 18 hours ago If Alec Anderson moves inside to guard or center after this season, I could Hawes playing that 6OL role going forward. But for this year he's in the Q Morris heavy role and his offensive stats may look something like 6 catches 39 yards and a touchdown Quote
WideNine Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago (edited) On 4/26/2025 at 12:35 PM, ExWNYer said: Athletic, blocking TE 3. From all accounts a beast blocking, a nasty streak and the best in this class for those tangibles. This brings something we have not had from that position for quite a while. Finesse route-running and receiving TEs we already have a-plenty. This fills a positional need that may allow for some more flexibility out of similar personnel grouping, or think of those short yardage and goal line packages where the Bills bring in Alec Anderson as that 6th lineman where you add this guy too. He should be fun to watch and be a great asset to outside or split zone runs and special teams too. I am pretty excited about what these new guys and FAs may add to our Bills who were already pretty good last year...with the exception of those defensive gaps Beane really focused on shoring up. Edited 16 hours ago by WideNine Quote
LEBills Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago Hopeful he can unseat Gilliam too in addition to filling QMorris’ role and free up a roster spot elsewhere like on the DLine 1 Quote
Aussie Joe Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 43 minutes ago, LEBills said: Hopeful he can unseat Gilliam too in addition to filling QMorris’ role and free up a roster spot elsewhere like on the DLine Gilliam’s $2m salary is guaranteed this season…leads me to think it’s likely he is still on the team in 2025 …. Quote
WideNine Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Gilliam’s $2m salary is guaranteed this season…leads me to think it’s likely he is still on the team in 2025 …. Gives this kid a year to ramp up with some depth. We have not had a physical blocking TE since Lee Smith. Not sure Daboll, or Dorsey really would have gotten too much out of that kind of role in their offenses, but Joe Brady likes creating mismatches at the LOS with personnel groupings, alignment, and motion and seems to be on the same page with Kromer. 1 Quote
Richard Noggin Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 22 hours ago, White Linen said: His explosion grades are outstanding. If I'm reading it correctly, that's the broad and vertical jump. Clearly this kids got crazy strong legs. His size didn't hurt him and kept him in the conversation to post a good RAS. His speed scores are poor and possibly very poor, if I had a bit more time to research. Here's the real issue. He didn't qualify for agility. It appears he didn't qualify because he didn't perform or for whatever reason didn't record his 3 cone score. He did record a poor shuttle, which is part of the agility, so it was not headed in a good direction for posting a good agility score. Because he didn't qualify, it didn't factor in or in other words, didn't hurt him. It was about to with that lower end shuttle. So his explosion really became the reason and the only reason he scored high. He's strong - but not athletic. Problem with your conclusion is that size and strength very much are part of the athleticism equation in football. Being bigger and stronger in such a leverage-based contact sport IS necessarily better. So explosiveness at a larger size = athleticism (in part). He's not terribly fast, for sure. And I guess we don't about agility scores. But being big, strong, and explosive is a nice trifecta for a Y/F TE coming in to block and play teams (and run a few routes here and there). 1 Quote
White Linen Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 48 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Problem with your conclusion is that size and strength very much are part of the athleticism equation in football. Being bigger and stronger in such a leverage-based contact sport IS necessarily better. So explosiveness at a larger size = athleticism (in part). He's not terribly fast, for sure. And I guess we don't about agility scores. But being big, strong, and explosive is a nice trifecta for a Y/F TE coming in to block and play teams (and run a few routes here and there). I just don't think you're being fair. Only 3 of the 4 quadrants counted because he didn't qualify. 50% of the 4th quadrant was scored and it was going to seriously reduce his RAS. I don't understand what your issue is with my evaluation of the data and him. I said his explosion is outstanding and he has decent size. The other two factors are poor. You made up your own trifecta, not RAS. Big, strong and explosive are not 3 (tri) of the 4 quadrants. You said his high RAS is an indicator he's athletic in comparison to his peers. It's not,.there's not a problem with my understanding of the data, in which you believe in. You tell me why the data says he's on the top end of athleticism and use all 4 quadrants. Quote
Richard Noggin Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 10 minutes ago, White Linen said: I just don't think you're being fair. Only 3 of the 4 quadrants counted because he didn't qualify. 50% of the 4th quadrant was scored and it was going to seriously reduce his RAS. I don't understand what your issue is with my evaluation of the data and him. I said his explosion is outstanding and he has decent size. The other two factors are poor. You made up your own trifecta, not RAS. Big, strong and explosive are not 3 (tri) of the 4 quadrants. You said his high RAS is an indicator he's athletic in comparison to his peers. It's not,.there's not a problem with my understanding of the data, in which you believe in. You tell me why the data says he's on the top end of athleticism and use all 4 quadrants. Your explanation continues to evolve and become more convincing, if I'm being honest. I was initially arguing only a strict statistical rebuttal to your claim of "very average" athleticism. The published RAS is nearly a quartile above average. That's irrefutable. However, you continue to erode my faith in that metric for Hawes, and now I'm sad. Thanks. 1 Quote
White Linen Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 45 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Your explanation continues to evolve and become more convincing, if I'm being honest. I was initially arguing only a strict statistical rebuttal to your claim of "very average" athleticism. The published RAS is nearly a quartile above average. That's irrefutable. However, you continue to erode my faith in that metric for Hawes, and now I'm sad. Thanks. I think you make excellent points about Hawes and he can play in the NFL as a blocking TE. I was originally doubtful he can make the 53, but I hadn't considered the possibility of moving on from Gilliam and/or Davidson. With the new kickoff rules, he may be able to play special teams with less distance to run and just using his explosion. He's an interesting prospect but he's definitely going to need to overcome some shortcomings. In the NFL, these men are strong and athletic. Quote
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