More defense on Saturday, please, to finish the job, and take the final step

[Orlando Buffalo]

56 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We have 3.5 Wide Receivers right now.

 

Shakir

Coleman

Palmer

Samuel, when he’s not hurt

 

It would be malpractice to not get Josh Allen a speed WR

 

That said.. and I know this won’t be loved by some.. if we know Bond is going to slide due to off the field, I’d be fine taking Defense early today and then taking Bond as WR5. 
 

 

I thought Samuels was a burner? I know I couldn't tell because he was hurt so much but I was told in Carolina he was the guy that went deep.

[Mister Defense]

22 minutes ago, eee1776 said:

I just want one more DT1 gap player. I would be very happy for Deon Walker from Kentucky if he is still available.

yes! Perfect fit, just the kind of d-tackle, at 6' 7" and 331 the Bills need to finish their work, for now, at D tackle.

 

An excellent value too; surprised Walker is still available.

 

Obviously, from my OP. I think, this is the kind of player the Bills should go and get, make it happen, and not wait to see. Everyone says how aggressive you are on draft days, Brandon, so show it.

 

It became a get a wideout thread!, but I am still hoping for someone like this, and with their first pick today.

 

And then a corner, of course!

 

 

[Simon]

12 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

CRAP I thought the picks started at 11am. I had a whole nother hour to do things

 

 

It's early enough to squeeze in 5-6 Coors lights 👍

[dave mcbride]

25 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I fully and completely agree with your assessment. 

Where we disagree is whether we can more likely find a quality defensive player, or WR, at this point in the draft. Imo, we have a higher chance of hitting on a quality d-player than WR at this point. 

Of the top 50 WR's in the NFL, only 6 were drafted after round 3. Just a super low success rate at this point.

Fun fact: the Bills have drafted two HOF wide receivers in the fourth round: Andre Reed (86th overall) and … Paul Warfield. Warfield signed with Cleveland in the NFL, not the Bills, and despite being a 4th round pick for the Bills, he was selected 28th overall.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I thought Samuels was a burner? I know I couldn't tell because he was hurt so much but I was told in Carolina he was the guy that went deep.

 

He's fast but he's got better quicks than long speed, imo

[poblano]

53 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

If there is a high value wideout available, one much more highly rated than a corner or d tackle, I would take him too.

 

But to say that wideout is the 'biggest need by 40 miles' does not make sense, with the highest scoring offense in the entire league last year, best in Bills history, I believe, where all key players are returning,  and where it seems they have also upgraded at wideout already.

 

The defense, on the other hand, was one of the worst in the NFL last year on 3rd down efficiency, quarterback completion percentage. So those areas are clearly more vital to fix by any objective standard.

Also offense was  bottom list last year on 3rd downs, and that's in part because they lack  a  deep receiver or someone that can  stretch the field consistently.   And is more concerning because  defense has been regular-bad  usually and offense  has been top 5 in previous years on 3rd downs 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Today I am hoping, and thinking, more defense, to finish the job the Bills have started and make the defensive make over, which is vital, more complete.

 

No real depth now at corner, as no one who saw either guy play last year should be relaxed and confident if White or Jackson had to step in and play a game or two or more (or less).  No one.  Hopefully someone in the Bills' brain trust is banging this same drum now, persuading the Bills to get the best corner available--and using their draft capital to do so.

 

And ditto for defensive tackle. Daquan Jones should never start another game for the Bills, as at 34 he took a giant step back last year. At least one more defensive tackle is just as needed still as another corner. A potential starter and depth, maybe the huge guy they don't have yet. So we never again have to hear the discouraging words, "The Bills have resigned...Quinton Jefferson, Jordan Phillips, Eli Ankou,  and any Johnson..."  ever again. 

 

If the Bills parlay all of their 6-7-? day 3 picks into these two players, almost everyone will be pleased by the results next year--a defense more capable of going toe to toe with the top teams in the NFL, and finally giving the best quarterback in the league the defense he needs to drive the Bills home.

 

The Bills gave Josh the running game he needed over the last few years AD (after dorsey), focusing like a laser on the O-line and backs, and that should be even better this year, used more.  And a now a new defense will be the final step.

If the Bills are successful in finishing the job today it helps the offense too, and not just in the complimentary football manner. The Bills will find themselves with a bunch of new defensive starters (and backups) this year and next, at a very low price, so can then much more easily re-sign the offensive lineman and others needed to sustain and increase their success. They will likely be able to jettison dead weight on defense this off season too, freeing up serious $ now.

 

The Bills are doing what the Chiefs did so well a few years ago before they won their two Super Bowls, and even more directly, doing what the Eagles did last off season-- taking one of the worst defenses in the NFL and transforming it over night into one of the best. But more to do. Saturday is vital in finishing the job.

 

 

No wonder they call you Mister Defense! 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Mister Defense said:

 

If there is a high value wideout available, one much more highly rated than a corner or d tackle, I would take him too.

 

But to say that wideout is the 'biggest need by 40 miles' does not make sense, with the highest scoring offense in the entire league last year, best in Bills history, I believe, where all key players are returning,  and where it seems they have also upgraded at wideout already.

 

The defense, on the other hand, was one of the worst in the NFL last year on 3rd down efficiency, quarterback completion percentage. So those areas are clearly more vital to fix by any objective standard.

We WERE the highest scoring.  Teams now know what we are going to do and will adjust.  We have to adjust as well.

[bobobonators]

9 minutes ago, noacls said:

Being simple is thinking a 4th round WR  is going to give anyone space on offense and that a defense will adjust to them. 

amon ra st brown

tyreek hill

diggs

nacua 

 

they all say HI! 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Bookie Man said:

I guess the bottom line is the offense is going to hum as long as Josh is the qb. Added some pieces in FA and the OL is basically still intact. Hopefully Keon takes a step and the Cook situation resolves itself. Defense is what is holding this team back. I’m ok with going D heavy rest of draft. 

Why do we “hope” that Keon improves but replace the guys on defense that we don’t think are good enough? The goal should be to turbocharge Josh not to rely on him elevating scrubs.
 

I oversee a sales team that has 27 sales people. 37% of our book of business is generated by the top 3 people. Is it better for me to give them everything that they need to go further or to spend time/resources worrying about numbers 25-27? That’s the WR argument. Who cares if your 5th corner or 5th DT sucks? I don’t care if my 25th best sales person isn’t good. I’ll never invest in them in place of those top 3 people that make wins happen.

[Mister Defense]

15 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Man, same with the Chiefs. Except not really.. the Chiefs give Mahomes enough. The Bills are saying Allen, you go figure it out with scrubs as skill players on offense. You can do it, kid! While they hope all these defenders can make up the difference. 
 

 

Huh?

 

 Mahomes was not given much the last few years on his offense, and it was clearly the defense, revamped a few years ago, that made the biggest difference.  Mahomes, like Allen, one of the best now and ever, made it happen on offense when needed, in crunch time, but the Bills had the far superior offense last year.

 

I think the key to what you say for me above is  "hope all of these defenders can make up the difference".  That is what I am arguing against doing again, bringing in bunch of 'just guys' on defense and hoping that in that potluck and quantity it will all work out. It has not.

 

So time to address it differently now.

 

The Bills have a superior O line, running game and backs, and wide receivers to KC--now they need the defense that can stop a weaker KC offense.  On their way to that now, but more to do..

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Mister Defense

[noacls]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The #5 WR on our depth chart right now is Laviska Shenault. That can't still be the case at this time tomorrow. That would represent a huge failure to address the position and would probably force us to bring back Amari Cooper who might be washed. We don't need to draft a superstar today but we need someone that pushes Shenault off the roster and adds a skill set that doesn't currently exist in the room. If your only response to that is "4th round players don't scare defenses" then you're not really giving serious thought to the discussion.

 

It's more important to improve upon such players as Hamlin, Lewis, Ingram, Spector, and Carter. All those players will play more than a 5th WR. Also I believe Bosa, AJ, and Daquan will not be brought back next year. Also not having to re-sign jordan Philips and Quinton  whatever his name is might be beneficial.

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

yes! Perfect fit, just the kind of d-tackle, at 6' 7" and 331 the Bills need to finish their work, for now, at D tackle.

 

An excellent value too; surprised Walker is still available.

 

Obviously, from my OP. I think, this is the kind of player the Bills should go and get, make it happen, and not wait to see. Everyone says how aggressive you are on draft days, Brandon, so show it.

 

It became a get a wideout thread!, but I am still hoping for someone like this, and with their first pick today.

 

And then a corner, of course!

 

 

He’s a horrendous athlete. That’s why he’s there. Walker is so stiff. Now maybe, he’s decent value as we move forward but he’s not a very good football player. He’s very good at measuring. A year ago, he was thought to be a top 10 pick. The more teams evaluated the more they saw that he wasn’t very good. If you want to drop a 5th on him, that’s cool. 

[HOUSE]

BPA

[MrEpsYtown]

I would take a shot on Bond. Some team like KC or Baltimore or Pittsburgh will pick him and they will be praised. But it seems very unlikely the Bills will.

 

Curious to see if they still get a shot on Josh Farmer, but speed receiver linebacker depth is probably what we see. I would be ok with another corner as well. 

[noacls]

6 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

amon ra st brown

tyreek hill

diggs

nacua 

 

they all say HI! 

 

Bravo! Out of how many of hundreds of draft picks throughout the years. 🤣

[Charles Romes]

Thornton please

[balln]

28 minutes ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:

 

I've watched this guy his whole career at Florida, and he sucks. He's just there. Doesn't impact anything, teams just run right by him. He has 4 TFL in like 50+ games.

But if he could shed like 100 pounds ? What COuLD he be? Is a he a coach on the field? Locker room culture guy? Can he play ….nay….THRIVE on special teams !?!?!?

[H2o]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s a horrendous athlete. That’s why he’s there. Walker is so stiff. Now maybe, he’s decent value as we move forward but he’s not a very good football player. He’s very good at measuring. A year ago, he was thought to be a top 10 pick. The more teams evaluated the more they saw that he wasn’t very good. If you want to drop a 5th on him, that’s cool. 

He also plays too high, allowing the smaller OL'men to move him out of the way. 

[White Linen]

41 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I fully and completely agree with your assessment. 

Where we disagree is whether we can more likely find a quality defensive player, or WR, at this point in the draft. Imo, we have a higher chance of hitting on a quality d-player than WR at this point. 

Of the top 50 WR's in the NFL, only 6 were drafted after round 3. Just a super low success rate at this point.

 

This is quality discussion.