More defense on Saturday, please, to finish the job, and take the final step

[Brandon]

14 minutes ago, eee1776 said:

I just want one more DT1 gap player. I would be very happy for Deon Walker from Kentucky if he is still available.

 

They'd be better off with CJ West,  Jordan Phillips, Cam Jackson or a couple of other guys today.  

 

I don't think they're interested in a true 1T, though...for better or worse...probably worse. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Brandon

[BillsVet]

 

39 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The most important remaining need is a field stretching WR. There isn’t a close 2nd. Giving Josh Allen someone that can stretch the field vertically not just adds big plays, it opens up the underneath for Kincaid and Shakir. It gets safeties away from the LOS to help the running game. I think that the stat was the Bills saw the most (or at least top 5 most) loaded boxes in the NFL last year. That’s impossible with Josh Allen as your QB. That’s malpractice by the organization. Palmer should help some but it’s the biggest need by 40 miles. 

 

If I'm not mistaken Josh saw 2-deep safeties 3rd least in the NFL last season.  If that's not a reflection of how opponents assessed their WR group then I don't know what is.    

 

They needed to improve the defense and have made a significant attempt at that.  But this team tends to play whack-a-mole with how they build their roster: fixing last year's problems and not considering other areas could drop off.  In this case, the passing game predictably ran into a wall and they needed an in-season acquisition to address that.  To ignore it again is, as you note, malpractice.     

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I think it depends on how many picks we keep but I do think next is WR and then we are headed back to the defensive side of the ball after that to add a LB and either another CB or S as two of the other picks. Besides WR, it’s really TE3 and maybe Guard on offense unless you want to take a developmental QB but I’m not sure if this is the year to do it. 
 

The vast majority of the focus should be continuing to get younger and faster on this defense 

It’s an issue that we lack speed on offense too. Other than cook, who else puts fear into defenses in that respect?

[Ralonzo]

CRAP I thought the picks started at 11am. I had a whole nother hour to do things

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, noacls said:

Yes, a fifth WR will really help the McBean defense that gives up an average 34.5 points to the Cheifs in the playoffs 🤣

My goodness, don’t be so simple. It isn’t about how many balls are thrown to him (that’s a part of it). It’s about the impact that he has on the offense. If you draft, Thornton, for example, you have to give cushion and have safety help over the top. He’s 6’4” and runs a 4.30 40. If the safeties are 20 yards back and shading outside of the numbers, what do you think happens in the middle of the field? Do you think that there is space for Kincaid and Shakir to operate? Do you see why that’s a positive? Do you think that a safety being 20 yards from the LOS is better or worse for the running game than a safety playing 8 yards from the LOS? 

[gonzo1105]

Just now, whorlnut said:

It’s an issue that we lack speed on offense too. Other than cook, who else puts fear into defenses in that respect?

Josh Allen, our offensive line , Cook I think are the things teams prep for and fear on offense. The Bills have made a nice transition to being a physical football team on offense and now they are trying to match that on defense. 
 

We do need a speed WR and we will probably take one in the 4th but I don’t expect whoever we take by now to be a starter or a guy who will be in a heavy rotation year 1 and teams sure won’t fear the 4th round rookie 

[H2o]

We're hitting that point where the Bills just look to fill out the roster according to their board. 

 

I think we all hope for some speed in the WR room, but what are Beane and McDermott looking for, really? Everyone drafted so far, the Bills have met with. Two guys currently left that the Bills visited with are Tory Horton and Jalen Royals. They seem to be legit options if there at 132. Bond is almost surely off the board at this point. Jaylin Lane and Arian Smith are likely just viewed as filler/ST's types of players. 

Edited 16 hours ago by H2o

[noacls]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

My goodness, don’t be so simple. It isn’t about how many balls are thrown to him (that’s a part of it). It’s about the impact that he has on the offense. If you draft, Thornton, for example, you have to give cushion and have safety help over the top. He’s 6’4” and runs a 4.30 40. If the safeties are 20 yards back and shading outside of the numbers, what do you think happens in the middle of the field? Do you think that there is space for Kincaid and Shakir to operate? Do you see why that’s a positive? Do you think that a safety being 20 yards from the LOS is better or worse for the running game than a safety playing 8 yards from the LOS? 

Being simple is thinking a 4th round WR  is going to give anyone space on offense and that a defense will adjust to them. 

[turbo044]

20 minutes ago, eee1776 said:

I just want one more DT1 gap player. I would be very happy for Deon Walker from Kentucky if he is still available.

Walker interesting as he was a 1st round talent after his 2023 but fell drastically in 2024 due to playing with a broken back.  I think he's gone, along with West and all the speed wr's, before we pick at 132.  Beane isn't using all 7 picks today - begging him to use #132 And a 5th + 6th to move up in round 4. I would be elated if we could move up and grab a wr:  Royals/Horton/Thornton/Bond (if we're happy with his side of things), or Gunnar Helm (TE), Gadsen (TE), Ransom (s), Farmer (DT), Walker (DT), West (DT).

Edited 16 hours ago by turbo044

[Mister Defense]

6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I think you are a bit biased here, your name is Mister Defense.  

 

Unfair.

 

I had no say in what my parents named me, what they saw in my eyes when I was born.

 

So, take it back, please.

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

 

If I'm not mistaken Josh saw 2-deep safeties 3rd least in the NFL last season.  If that's not a reflection of how opponents assessed their WR group then I don't know what is.    

 

They needed to improve the defense and have made a significant attempt at that.  But this team tends to play whack-a-mole with how they build their roster: fixing last year's problems and not considering other areas could drop off.  In this case, the passing game predictably ran into a wall and they needed an in-season acquisition to address that.  To ignore it again is, as you note, malpractice.     

That is the stat!! Thanks, I couldn’t remember the specifics but that’s the point. Lol, it’s impossible that you could have Josh Allen as the QB and see the 3rd least 2 deep. 

[Thrivefourfive]

Man, same with the Chiefs. Except not really.. the Chiefs give Mahomes enough. The Bills are saying Allen, you go figure it out with scrubs as skill players on offense. You can do it, kid! While they hope all these defenders can make up the difference. 
 

Edited 16 hours ago by Thrivefourfive

[bobobonators]

The league is littered with really good WR and DB who were taken rounds 4-5. 
 

4 and 5 should be used for a WR and DB in whatever order is best. 

[gonzo1105]

Just now, bobobonators said:

The league is littered with really good WR and DB who were taken rounds 4-5. 
 

4 and 5 should be used for a WR and DB in whatever order is best. 

Im always hesitant to see the Bills give up day 3 picks because this is where they thrive 

[Bookie Man]

I guess the bottom line is the offense is going to hum as long as Josh is the qb. Added some pieces in FA and the OL is basically still intact. Hopefully Keon takes a step and the Cook situation resolves itself. Defense is what is holding this team back. I’m ok with going D heavy rest of draft. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, noacls said:

Being simple is thinking a 4th round WR  is going to give anyone space on offense and that a defense will adjust to them. 

Lol, you’re drafting a skillset here. You can find field stretchers in the 4th. You can’t find the guy at the top of the depth chart that they need. We aren’t talking about a Diggs replacement here. We are talking about the vertical threat that they’ve lacked over the last few years. 

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, noacls said:

Being simple is thinking a 4th round WR  is going to give anyone space on offense and that a defense will adjust to them. 

Oh really?  Yeah because there has never been a good receiver drafted in day 3. 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

3 minutes ago, noacls said:

Being simple is thinking a 4th round WR  is going to give anyone space on offense and that a defense will adjust to them. 

Exactly what I was thinking. You fall to the later rounds for a reason. Usually not a good reason.

[Roundybout]

I'd prefer offense, then go get Shaun Dolac in the fifth or sixth round 

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, noacls said:

Being simple is thinking a 4th round WR  is going to give anyone space on offense and that a defense will adjust to them. 

 

The #5 WR on our depth chart right now is Laviska Shenault. That can't still be the case at this time tomorrow. That would represent a huge failure to address the position and would probably force us to bring back Amari Cooper who might be washed. We don't need to draft a superstar today but we need someone that pushes Shenault off the roster and adds a skill set that doesn't currently exist in the room. If your only response to that is "4th round players don't scare defenses" then you're not really giving serious thought to the discussion.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by HappyDays