More defense on Saturday, please, to finish the job, and take the final step

[eee1776]

I just want one more DT1 gap player. I would be very happy for Deon Walker from Kentucky if he is still available.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Poor Josh

[strive_for_five_guy]

Would not have expected this thread from Mister Defense

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

We've given up an average of 34.75 points per game to the Chiefs in the playoffs the last 4 meetings. I'd say you're on to something.

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Ravens in the first game openly said that they just pushed the LOS and jammed the middle of the field. The Bills immediately traded for Cooper to make teams at least respect them down the field. He’s gone. 40 miles might be an understatement. There’s nuance to this. The Bills scoring a lot of points doesn’t mean that they have good pass catchers. They’re a bottom 5ish WR group.

I fully and completely agree with your assessment. 

Where we disagree is whether we can more likely find a quality defensive player, or WR, at this point in the draft. Imo, we have a higher chance of hitting on a quality d-player than WR at this point. 

Of the top 50 WR's in the NFL, only 6 were drafted after round 3. Just a super low success rate at this point.

[Ralonzo]

Current DraftTek projections, and my personal tweaks based on the board, but overall I'd be mainly pleased with the projections:

 

132 Cam'Ron Jackson, Florida, DT

169 Jarquez Hunter, Auburn, RB (Brashard Smith, SMU, RB)

170 Billy Bowman Jr., Oklahoma, S

173 Dont'e Thornton Jr., Tennessee, WR

177 Jack Nelson, Wisconsin, OT (Shemar James, Florida, LB) 

206 Josh Simon, South Carolina, TE (Korie Black, Oklahoma St, CB)

240 Brandon George, Pitt, LB (Bryce Cabeldue, Kansas, G)

 

That's your DT1T, speed at WR, a home-run RB, next years' guard, linebacker depth, and even more speed in the secondary.

Edited 16 hours ago by Ralonzo

[DJB]

I want the 500 pound DL guy and one sub 4.4 field stretching WR

 

 

[LEBills]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

How far up can we get using all three of our 5ths while still keeping our original 4th?

Our 3 fifths should get us to about 112. Including our 6th would be top of round 4

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Our 3 fifths should get us to about 112. Including our 6th would be top of round 4

 

Thanks, man.

Having the first pick in the 6th round makes me willing to give up all three of our 5ths to get back up into the top half of the 4th.

[Dillenger4]

15 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

What do you believe is more important: someone that will play 20 snaps a game to keep the safeties deep or someone that will compete with Dane Jackson & J’Marcus Ingram for the 4th outside corner? It’s a rhetorical question.

 

They were an offense built on scheme and Josh. The Ravens in the first game openly said that they just pushed the LOS and jammed the middle of the field. The Bills immediately traded for Cooper to make teams at least respect them down the field. He’s gone. 40 miles might be an understatement. There’s nuance to this. The Bills scoring a lot of points doesn’t mean that they have good pass catchers. They’re a bottom 5ish WR group. Shakir is the only above average player in the room. He’s a top 30ish WR. 
 

We need to stop looking at a stat sheet to tell the story. The defense sucked. The talent sucked. The depth has been, and will be, fine. They were slow. That’s been addressed. Filling out the back of the defensive roster without getting help for the most important player to ever wear a Bills uniform is criminal. IF the Bills are ever going to win a Super Bowl, it’ll be BECAUSE OF Josh Allen, not because of their 5th CB or 5Th DT. 🤣🤣 opening up the entire playbook for him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more defensive depth

We will resign Amari this week. End of thread. Go defense all day baby. The WR's left in the draft are barely practice squad fodder. It's not a good year for WR at all.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I fully and completely agree with your assessment. 

Where we disagree is whether we can more likely find a quality defensive player, or WR, at this point in the draft. Imo, we have a higher chance of hitting on a quality d-player than WR at this point. 

Of the top 50 WR's in the NFL, only 6 were drafted after round 3. Just a super low success rate at this point.

That’s totally fair. I think that they can’t get the number 1 WR that they are lacking here but can get a quality deep threat. It may be a 1 trick pony like Thornton but that skillset alone opens up the field for everyone. There are a bunch of WRs left that will play regular snaps in the league. They just won’t be at the top of depth charts (at least at this point). 

[Brandon]

31 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

 

Keep an eye on Ayomanor. 

 

Agreed. Not so much as a speed guy (and they need one of those, too),  but I think they would be wise to add some Keon Coleman insurance in R4 or 5 today.   

 

So yes,  I think they may pick two WRs today.  

[RyanC883]

49 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

Today I am hoping, and thinking, more defense, to finish the job the Bills have started and make the defensive make over, which is vital, more complete.

 

No real depth now at corner, as no one who saw either guy play last year should be relaxed and confident if White or Jackson had to step in and play a game or two or more (or less).  No one.  Hopefully someone in the Bills' brain trust is banging this same drum now, persuading the Bills to get the best corner available--and using their draft capital to do so.

 

And ditto for defensive tackle. Daquan Jones should never start another game for the Bills, as at 34 he took a giant step back last year. At least one more defensive tackle is just as needed still as another corner. A potential starter and depth, maybe the huge guy they don't have yet. So we never again have to hear the discouraging words, "The Bills have resigned...Quinton Jefferson, Jordan Phillips, Eli Ankou,  and any Johnson..."  ever again. 

 

If the Bills parlay all of their 6-7-? day 3 picks into these two players, almost everyone will be pleased by the results next year--a defense more capable of going toe to toe with the top teams in the NFL, and finally giving the best quarterback in the league the defense he needs to drive the Bills home.

 

The Bills gave Josh the running game he needed over the last few years AD (after dorsey), focusing like a laser on the O-line and backs, and that should be even better this year, used more.  And a now a new defense will be the final step.

If the Bills are successful in finishing the job today it helps the offense too, and not just in the complimentary football manner. The Bills will find themselves with a bunch of new defensive starters (and backups) this year and next, at a very low price, so can then much more easily re-sign the offensive lineman and others needed to sustain and increase their success. They will likely be able to jettison dead weight on defense this off season too, freeing up serious $ now.

 

The Bills are doing what the Chiefs did so well a few years ago before they won their two Super Bowls, and even more directly, doing what the Eagles did last off season-- taking one of the worst defenses in the NFL and transforming it over night into one of the best. But more to do. Saturday is vital in finishing the job.

 

 

 

I think you are a bit biased here, your name is Mister Defense.  

[noacls]

Yes, a fifth WR will really help the McBean defense that gives up an average 34.5 points to the Cheifs in the playoffs 🤣

[SoonerBillsFan]

46 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The most important remaining need is a field stretching WR. There isn’t a close 2nd. Giving Josh Allen someone that can stretch the field vertically not just adds big plays, it opens up the underneath for Kincaid and Shakir. It gets safeties away from the LOS to help the running game. I think that the stat was the Bills saw the most (or at least top 5 most) loaded boxes in the NFL last year. That’s impossible with Josh Allen as your QB. That’s malpractice by the organization. Palmer should help some but it’s the biggest need by 40 miles. 

We need a WR NOW!

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

We will resign Amari this week. End of thread. Go defense all day baby. The WR's left in the draft are barely practice squad fodder. It's not a good year for WR at all.

Amari is washed. That’s why they haven’t signed him back yet. Do you think when they traded a 3rd for him they planned on him only being here for 1/2 of a season? Again, that’s a rhetorical question. If he had ANYTHING left, he would already be back. Maybe they get backed into a corner and have to bring him back but anybody with his career, remaining on the market through the draft, should tell you what the league thinks of him. 

[Mister Defense]

23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

What do you believe is more important: someone that will play 20 snaps a game to keep the safeties deep or someone that will compete with Dane Jackson & J’Marcus Ingram for the 4th outside corner? It’s a rhetorical question.

 

They were an offense built on scheme and Josh. The Ravens in the first game openly said that they just pushed the LOS and jammed the middle of the field. The Bills immediately traded for Cooper to make teams at least respect them down the field. He’s gone. 40 miles might be an understatement. There’s nuance to this. The Bills scoring a lot of points doesn’t mean that they have good pass catchers. They’re a bottom 5ish WR group. Shakir is the only above average player in the room. He’s a top 30ish WR. 
 

We need to stop looking at a stat sheet to tell the story. The defense sucked. The talent sucked. The depth has been, and will be, fine. They were slow. That’s been addressed. Filling out the back of the defensive roster without getting help for the most important player to ever wear a Bills uniform is criminal. IF the Bills are ever going to win a Super Bowl, it’ll be BECAUSE OF Josh Allen, not because of their 5th CB or 5Th DT. 🤣🤣 opening up the entire playbook for him >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more defensive depth

 

I was on the speedy, competent, down field wideout 'choo choo train' too, in fact my #1 free agent target was Metcalf and I posted a lot on that, hitting on some of the same reasons you do above. (In fact, I think I started an OP on that which is pretty rare for me.) It was clearly a missing element on what was otherwise maybe the best, most consistent, dynamic offense I have ever seen on the Bills.

 

In a recent thread on 'which former Bills wideout' would we add to the current offense to enhance it, I went right to James Lofton, hitting briefly on some the same ideas you do above.

 

So if the Bills get a high level wide receiver today I will be happy, as what you say about the offense above I mostly agree with.

 

BUT, to me, right now, seeing the Bills have done what I was worried they would not do, and  take the defensive needs seriously enough in the draft, I want them to do better, to really bolster the D, by infusing it with more talent and more depth. It is clearly needed. Still.

 

And like I said, and this is not an aside, not a minor point to me,  this then may free up a slew of money next off season,  and in the future, to sign the offensive lineman and others who have/and will take the offense to an even higher level.

 

As it was the defense that prevented the Bills from being even better last year, in nailing home field throughout the playoffs, and then, to me, in beating KC in the AFC Championship. Though I agree, and thought this too often, if the Bills had that field stretching burner at wideout that too could have also helped them reach our their goal. But this was always in my mind--'it would have helped them to overcome any of their serious defensive deficiencies'.  So, to me, now that is what I want most. So as to not put the offense in that position again, where they have to score 40-50 points to get the job done.

 

The better option is to really fix the defense,  as it is more sound to me now as the priority.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Mister Defense

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

7 minutes ago, DJB said:

I want the 500 pound DL guy and one sub 4.4 field stretching WR

 

 

 

I've watched this guy his whole career at Florida, and he sucks. He's just there. Doesn't impact anything, teams just run right by him. He has 4 TFL in like 50+ games.

[gonzo1105]

I think it depends on how many picks we keep but I do think next is WR and then we are headed back to the defensive side of the ball after that to add a LB and either another CB or S as two of the other picks. Besides WR, it’s really TE3 and maybe Guard on offense unless you want to take a developmental QB but I’m not sure if this is the year to do it. 
 

The vast majority of the focus should be continuing to get younger and faster on this defense 

[SoonerBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Thanks, man.

Having the first pick in the 6th round makes me willing to give up all three of our 5ths to get back up into the top half of the 4th.

That is exactly what is needed.  Take the best deep threat, and this has been a damn good draft.