More defense on Saturday, please, to finish the job, and take the final step

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, noacls said:

All those players will play more than a 5th WR.

 

I'm sorry but this just isn't true. Our backup safety is not going to play more snaps than our #5 WR. In case of injury, sure. But the #5 WR is basically a starter and is expected to contribute in every single game. Our top 5 last year were Shakir, Hollins, Coleman, Samuel, and MVS. They ended up replacing MVS with Cooper because he wasn't contributing at all. That's how important that spot is on the roster. It isn't just a backup position.

 

Thankfully I don't believe Beane agrees with you. We heavily scouted and met with all of the vertical WRs in this class so I expect us to draft one today. I'm hoping it happens within the first 10 picks of the 4th round after a trade up.

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

He also plays too high,

 

It's cool man, cannabis is legal in NY state now 🤙

[White Linen]

36 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s totally fair. I think that they can’t get the number 1 WR that they are lacking here but can get a quality deep threat. It may be a 1 trick pony like Thornton but that skillset alone opens up the field for everyone. There are a bunch of WRs left that will play regular snaps in the league. They just won’t be at the top of depth charts (at least at this point). 

 

This is quality discussion, also.

[In Summary]

WR then a big 1-tech.

[balln]

32 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

They'd be better off with CJ West,  Jordan Phillips, Cam Jackson or a couple of other guys today.  

 

I don't think they're interested in a true 1T, though...for better or worse...probably worse. 

I guess I heard Joe Marino say beane said they’re converting Dwayne Carter into 1T. Yikes

[noacls]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm sorry but this just isn't true. Our backup safety is not going to play more snaps than our #5 WR. In case of injury, sure. But the #5 WR is basically a starter and is expected to contribute in every single game. Our top 5 last year were Shakir, Hollins, Coleman, Samuel, and MVS. They ended up replacing MVS with Cooper because he wasn't contributing at all. That's how important that spot is on the roster. It isn't just a backup position.

 

Thankfully I don't believe Beane agrees with you. We heavily scouted and met with all of the vertical WRs in this class so I expect us to draft one today. I'm hoping it happens within the first 10 picks of the 4th round after a trade up.

I'm not saying don't draft a WR, I'm saying do it late. Also cooper still out there as free agent. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

 

This is quality discussion, also.

 

There's always going to be the occasional malcontent, but that's OK because we need all perspectives.

But the combination of knowledge and humor in this place is unmatched.

[whorlnut]

10 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Why do we “hope” that Keon improves but replace the guys on defense that we don’t think are good enough? The goal should be to turbocharge Josh not to rely on him elevating scrubs.
 

I oversee a sales team that has 27 sales people. 37% of our book of business is generated by the top 3 people. Is it better for me to give them everything that they need to go further or to spend time/resources worrying about numbers 25-27? That’s the WR argument. Who cares if your 5th corner or 5th DT sucks? I don’t care if my 25th best sales person isn’t good. I’ll never invest in them in place of those top 3 people that make wins happen.

This is exactly where I’m at. If their answer to the WR room is banking on Coleman taking a step then it could backfire in epic fashion if he doesn’t. Remember…that’s EXACTLY what happened with Gabe Davis. He had the big playoff game against KC and they looked at him as the answer at WR2. Then the drops came and his lack of speed showed up. They didn’t have an answer because they completely bailed on picking a receiver in that draft. Hopefully they learned their lesson. I think it’s reckless to not continue to add another dynamic to the offense today. 

1 minute ago, noacls said:

I'm not saying don't draft a WR, I'm saying do it late. Also cooper still out there as free agent. 

Why are you so against giving Allen the best help you can find?  Serious question…

[Since1981]

Wish it were sunny and warm in NY. 
turn off the draft. I have other hobbies than 170th draft pick for summer camp

[Mister Defense]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s a horrendous athlete. That’s why he’s there. Walker is so stiff. Now maybe, he’s decent value as we move forward but he’s not a very good football player. He’s very good at measuring. A year ago, he was thought to be a top 10 pick. The more teams evaluated the more they saw that he wasn’t very good. If you want to drop a 5th on him, that’s cool. 

 

His strengths, from NFL Draft Buzz, seem to indicate he is not a "horrendous athlete" or "not a very good football player"

 

--Rare blend of mass and mobility for his size - shows shocking lateral quickness when working down the line and can change direction without losing power or balance

--Natural power to stack and shed single blocks in the run game, using his 6'7" frame and heavy hands to control offensive linemen before violently disengaging

--Creates instant interior push with his bull rush, showing the ability to walk back centers and guards while keeping his feet churning through contact

--Surprising short-area quickness allows him to shoot gaps and disrupt plays in the backfield before blockers can properly engage

--Strong upper body and active hands help him defeat blocks both as a run defender and pass rusher - has shown an effective swim move

--Takes away multiple gaps with his sheer size and length, forcing runners to bounce outside where his deceptive mobility allows him to make plays

--Shows flashes of dominant potential when fresh, with the raw power to simply overwhelm offensive linemen who don't match his physical traits

--Three-year starter in the SEC who has proven he can hold up against elite competition while facing constant double teams

 

And to be even handed, what they consider his weaknesses:

 

--Conditioning is a major concern - tends to wear down quickly and becomes much less effective in longer drives or when asked to chase plays

--Consistently plays with high pad level, negating his natural power and making him vulnerable against double teams and combo blocks

--Initial burst off the snap is inconsistent, sometimes appearing sluggish and allowing offensive linemen to establish position before he's fully engaged

--Hand placement in pass rush needs refinement - too often makes contact without a clear plan, leading to stalemates even against single blocks

--Motor runs hot and cold throughout games, showing concerning lapses in effort when fatigued or trailing offensive plays

 

 

Glad you posted that, so that I went to find out more about what others say. 

 

The strengths listed really contradict the horrible athlete thing and how poor of a football player he is.

 

While the weak areas are much less significant, and are things the can be fixed with coaching and mentors..

 

He certainly seems like the kind of player that McBeane may think they can do very good things with..

 

 

 

 

 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

OP's screen name checks out

[Mister Defense]

2 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Wish it were sunny and warm in NY. 
turn off the draft. I have other hobbies than 170th draft pick for summer camp

 

Sheesh.

 

You need to get your priorities in order.

 

 

[noacls]

4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

This is exactly where I’m at. If their answer to the WR room is banking on Coleman taking a step then it could backfire in epic fashion if he doesn’t. Remember…that’s EXACTLY what happened with Gabe Davis. He had the big playoff game against KC and they looked at him as the answer at WR2. Then the drops came and his lack of speed showed up. They didn’t have an answer because they completely bailed on picking a receiver in that draft. Hopefully they learned their lesson. I think it’s reckless to not continue to add another dynamic to the offense today. 

Why are you so against giving Allen the best help you can find?  Serious question…

Because under 20 catches on the year is not help. The top 4 will get most of the snaps if they stay healthy.  Also defense is the problem in the playoffs not the offense. The offense set a bills record for points in 16 games last year, they didn't need the 17th to do it. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

15 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

BPA WR

Fixed it for you 🙂

[gonzo1105]

3 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

 

His strengths, from NFL Draft Buzz, seem to indicate he is not a "horrendous athlete" or "not a very good football player"

 

--Rare blend of mass and mobility for his size - shows shocking lateral quickness when working down the line and can change direction without losing power or balance

--Natural power to stack and shed single blocks in the run game, using his 6'7" frame and heavy hands to control offensive linemen before violently disengaging

--Creates instant interior push with his bull rush, showing the ability to walk back centers and guards while keeping his feet churning through contact

--Surprising short-area quickness allows him to shoot gaps and disrupt plays in the backfield before blockers can properly engage

--Strong upper body and active hands help him defeat blocks both as a run defender and pass rusher - has shown an effective swim move

--Takes away multiple gaps with his sheer size and length, forcing runners to bounce outside where his deceptive mobility allows him to make plays

--Shows flashes of dominant potential when fresh, with the raw power to simply overwhelm offensive linemen who don't match his physical traits

--Three-year starter in the SEC who has proven he can hold up against elite competition while facing constant double teams

 

And to be even handed, what they consider his weaknesses:

 

--Conditioning is a major concern - tends to wear down quickly and becomes much less effective in longer drives or when asked to chase plays

--Consistently plays with high pad level, negating his natural power and making him vulnerable against double teams and combo blocks

--Initial burst off the snap is inconsistent, sometimes appearing sluggish and allowing offensive linemen to establish position before he's fully engaged

--Hand placement in pass rush needs refinement - too often makes contact without a clear plan, leading to stalemates even against single blocks

--Motor runs hot and cold throughout games, showing concerning lapses in effort when fatigued or trailing offensive plays

 

 

Glad you posted that, so that I went to find out more about what others say. 

 

The strengths listed really contradict the horrible athlete thing and how poor of a football player he is.

 

While the weak areas are much less significant, and are things the can be fixed with coaching and mentors..

 

He certainly seems like the kind of player that McBeane may think they can do very good things with..

 

 

 

 

 

Deone Walker is on my do not draft list 

[Brandon]

6 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

This is exactly where I’m at. If their answer to the WR room is banking on Coleman taking a step then it could backfire in epic fashion if he doesn’t. Remember…that’s EXACTLY what happened with Gabe Davis. He had the big playoff game against KC and they looked at him as the answer at WR2. Then the drops came and his lack of speed showed up. They didn’t have an answer because they completely bailed on picking a receiver in that draft. Hopefully they learned their lesson. I think it’s reckless to not continue to add another dynamic to the offense today. 

Why are you so against giving Allen the best help you can find?  Serious question…

 

That's why I advocate taking two WRs today.  Yes,  they need a speed guy,  but I'd also add a guy to push Coleman and act as an insurance policy in case those last several games were not an aberration.  

[BuffaloBaumer]

I would have no problem treating a high draft pick  next year with Minnesota for a number one receiver for Allen

[bobobonators]

20 minutes ago, noacls said:

Bravo! Out of how many of hundreds of draft picks throughout the years. 🤣

Dude this was literally off the top of my head. There are countless others that were drafted after the 3rd round that had great careers. Don’t be obtuse. 

[Brandon]

19 minutes ago, balln said:

I guess I heard Joe Marino say beane said they’re converting Dwayne Carter into 1T. Yikes

 

Well,  they know more about Carter than I do,  for sure, so if they think he can do it,  I can't really argue against it.  I am skeptical, though.  

 

The Bills' FO seems to have the same philosophy as several prominent TBD posters,  that you can just stick any old fat guy out there at 1T and he'll be fine.  I'm not so sure about that.  

Edited 15 hours ago by Brandon

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Yes I agree. Anyone that thinks we should just go all defense without getting a speedy WR isn’t paying attention. Allen has no deep threat at this point and that takes the bazooka out of the game plan. We need that dynamic. Go get a WR with the first pick today, then the defense crowd can have their way the rest of the draft for all I’m concerned. 

We have 3 picks in the 5th, picks 33, 34, 37 of the round (with comps). Can't imagine a world Beane doesn't move up in 4th. No way we should make all those picks.

 

Trade up for deepball threat with the highest ceiling... Horton/ Thornton. Then keep smashing defense, and worst case unload some of these picks for next years draft