Bills 2nd Rnd pick in 2025 Draft : TJ Sanders - DT South Carolina

[MPT]

4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Imagine your pass rush not having to stop on the way to the QB because your DT's are getting thrown out of the club.  

 

Eagles took a 24 to nothing lead at the half and the Chiefs only ran 17 plays so if Jordan Davis only played 14 plays I'm not surprised.  Chiefs RB's only had 7 carries all game.  Wonder why they don't run the ball vs the Eagles but have 35 carries (24 by RB's) vs us?

 

Yup. If anyone came away from that game thinking anything other than "pressure with 4," they missed the point completely. It's a cheat code.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

The 25-year-old Jordan Davis finished Sunday's Super Bowl win with two tackles, a QB pressure and the sack, and also drew a holding penalty that negated a long Patrick Mahomes scramble.

 

He was drawing double teams when he played, opening things up for Jalen Carter and the pass rushers

Edited 10 hours ago by JakeFrommStateFarm

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

 

Yup. If anyone came away from that game thinking anything other than "pressure with 4," they missed the point completely. It's a cheat code.

While I don't disagree if you can't stop the run you never get there because you end up cheating up your secondary.  The easy answer is to have guys that do both.  We forsake one for the other and hope that execution is 100 percent on every play.  Then in big games we are so worried about the run we get caught looking for the run even though everyone on the field is out there to stop the pass.  

[balln]

43 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

It's obviously both. But the key is that the Eagles get pressure with 4 linemen (yes, in two seconds) and they can keep all of their back 7 in coverage and force him to make a throw before he can think or before his receivers get open. 

 

We had a great secondary last year. It didn't matter against good QBs because they stood in the pocket for 6 seconds while our defensive line was out to lunch.

No no no. Did NOT have a good secondary. 

[Magox]

Some of the takes on Sanders in this thread are uninformed.

 

I keep reading he's an Ed Oliver type, first off we would be lucky to get another Ed Oliver but with that said his comp isn't Ed Oliver.  Ed Oliver is 6'1, Sanders is 6'4.

 

Second, I keep reading that he's another typical smallish DT.  That's flat out false.

 

He's a much bigger man who played at 300 this past year and was 305 for his Pro Day.  He very likely will be playing at 305-310.   6'4 at 305-310 is a good sized DT.

 

 

 

If you look at Philadelphia's line, it's mainly comprised of guys who are not that large who are getting lots of pressure.  That is Buffalo's archtype which is the same as Philadelphia's.  The main difference is the guys they have drafted have gone on to have better careers than the ones the Bills have.

 

I don't know if Sanders will turn out to be a good player but that is who they targeted and he is by no stretch a smallish DT.  He's actually a large 3 technique DT.

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[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

While I don't disagree if you can't stop the run you never get there because you end up cheating up your secondary.  The easy answer is to have guys that do both.  We forsake one for the other and hope that execution is 100 percent on every play.  Then in big games we are so worried about the run we get caught looking for the run even though everyone on the field is out there to stop the pass.  

Yup. People are right, largely last season the run wasn’t an issue. Until we faced Baltimore AGAIN. Then it was like how can we possibly stop the run? Everybody on this board was freaked out (rightfully so, they dropped 200+ on us the last time). They did it again after, we did literally the best possible job we could in the first half. We forced multiple fumbles. Got a key drop at the end. Won the game we would have lost if they put 5 more minutes on the clock.  
 

Now the Beane fan club is like, meh. Don’t need run defense. Doesn’t matter. We are good there. 😂 it’s just classic fan boy crap you see on here. Not even worth arguing with them.

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

The takes on Sanders in this thread or very uninformed.

 

I keep reading he's an Ed Oliver type, first off we would be lucky to get another Ed Oliver but with that said his comp isn't Ed Oliver.  Ed Oliver is 6'1, Sanders is 6'4.

 

Second, I keep reading that he's another typical smallish DT.  That's flat out false.

 

He's a much bigger man who played at 300 this past year and was 305 for his Pro Day.  He very likely will be playing at 305-310.   6'4 at 305-310 is a good sized DT.

 

 

 

If you look at Philadelphia's line, it's mainly comprised of guys who are not that large who are getting lots of pressure.  That is Buffalo's archtype which is the same as Philadelphia's.  The main difference is the guys they have drafted have gone on to have better careers than the ones the Bills have.

 

I don't know if Sanders will turn out to be a good player but that is who they targeted and he is by no stretch a smallish DT.  He's actually a large 3 technique DT.

Joe should look at how much it matters to put teams in consistent passing downs. You can do that when you have the best run defense in the NFL. We depend on our offense to force other offenses into abandoning the run. Past the divisional round that won’t happen. 

[Mat68]

Saw a profile that had him listed at 280’s and wrote him off.  If he plays 300-310 thats about what Daquan plays at.  Having penetrating ability and offering pass rush ability is more important.  Im good with it. 

 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Mat68 said:

Saw a profile that had him listed at 280’s and wrote him off.  If he plays 300-310 thats about what Daquan plays at.

 

He's already up over 300 and that is likely to keep going up by the time the season starts, imo.

[Magox]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Joe should look at how much it matters to put teams in consistent passing downs. You can do that when you have the best run defense in the NFL. We depend on our offense to force other offenses into abandoning the run. Past the divisional round that won’t happen. 

 

Ok, but that wasn't exactly Buffalo's main problem.   Buffalo ranked 28th in the NFL on Third downs and dead last in the NFL  on 3rd and 7's or longer.

 

Buffalo's main problem on defense were third downs.

[Jauronimo]

15 hours ago, LEBills said:

Would have been happy with him in round 1!!! 
 

Great pass rusher and good enough against the run to stay on the field three downs if needed

 

He was actually 297 at the combine

 

Guys bulk up for the combine.  Maybin showed up for the combine at 250 lbs, his frame was totally maxed out, even though his playing weight was 165 lbs of starving artist angst.

 

TJ looks like he can actually fill out some more.  

[Thrivefourfive]

I think I hate seeing Collins at like 335lbs. I think our guy Sanders needs to be 320lbs to make me comfortable. Here’s to hoping Beane knows what he’s doing. Because this draft pick is HUGE

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Thrivefourfive

[Mikie2times]

10 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

Ok, but that wasn't exactly Buffalo's main problem.   Buffalo ranked 28th in the NFL on Third downs and dead last in the NFL  on 3rd and 7's or longer.

 

Buffalo's main problem on defense were third downs.

I don’t even evaluate this team in the regular season at this point. They’re always playing ahead. Teams are always one dimensional. Just because they sucked at 3rd and long, which they have for years at this point, doesn’t mean they aren’t extremely vulnerable to some of the best teams in the NFL which are focusing more on power run games. To not focus even one offseason addition on that as a primary skill set is neglect at a level only our lack of focus at WR is capable of beating.

 

All that said, I need to stop derailing this thread. As I called out, none of this is on Sanders. Who could end up being a really good player. It’s about how we build the team.

Edited 9 hours ago by Mikie2times

[Coach Tuesday]

Is someone really arguing in this thread that Jordan Davis is the reason the Eagles won the Super Bowl????

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I think I hate seeing Collins at like 335lbs. I think our guy Sanders needs to be 320lbs to make me comfortable. Here’s to hoping Beane knows what he’s doing. Because this draft pick is HUGE

 

 

He's not a 1 technique, and it's not about the size.  It all boils down to whether or not he will be a good player or not.

[GASabresIUFan]

Comment on NFL radio right now that interior DT who rush the passer are the hardest players to find in the NFL.  
 

—-Bill Polian

Edited 9 hours ago by GASabresIUFan

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I think those names are a reminder that to this point, Beane/McDermott have done one thing, and one thing only, that previous regimes didn't. That's to find a franchise QB. A league MVP player.

 

But we're already 1/2 way through his career with no championships to show for it yet. 8 years later with the same issues and problems since day one. Can't stop the run against physical offenses and can't hold a lead in criticsl spots.

 

Let's hope this season is different with the group of free agent signings and draft picks. 

 

Bull manure.   They have built a perennial serious contender for the Super Bowl.  There is no comparison between the Bills drafts under Beane/McDeromott and the previous regimes' drafts.   There is no comparison between the way the current Bills regimes builds its rosters and what passed for roster building in the Drought Era.  It wasn't an accident that one of Beane's first actions as GM in 2017 was to replace most of the Bills talent scouting personnel, including some scouts but definitely almost all of the FO personnel. 

 

Now, I don't know if you weren't a Bills fans through the Drought Era or if Beane/McDeromott's success has skewed your perspective, but I was a season ticket holder back during the Drought.  I sat through losing season after losing season when the best part of attending games was the pre-game tailgating.  I saw those clowns mostly draft crappy players.  I saw them either trade away the best players they accidentally drafted or let those good players walk away in free agency.  IOW, there were few attempts by previous Bills regimes to build a winning team after John Butler and AJ Smith left for San Diego, and none after Russ Brandon became the de facto GM in 2006.  McCargo, Troupe, and the infamous Aaron Maybin were all on Brandon's watch.  Maximizing profits was infinitely more important than winning football games during the last years of Ralph Wilson's ownership.  

 

And FTR, I was NOT a big McDermott or Beane fan when either was hired.  I was very skeptical of many of their moves early on, and I admit that I thought that trading away so much assets to draft Josh Allen was a mistake.   I thought they should have stayed at 12 and taken Lamar Jackson.   I'm glad I was wrong, even though Lamar is a great QB in his own right.  Lamar, however, has faced the same hump that Allen and the Bills have faced: the gauntlet of getting through the AFC playoffs only to face the Chiefs in order to get to the Super Bowl.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by SoTier

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:

Comment on NFL radio right now that interior DT who rush the passer are the hardest players to find in the NFL.  

I would amend that to be interior DL players who are quality pass rushers as well as at least average against the run. Other than franchise QBs they’re probably the most rare. 

Edited 9 hours ago by BarleyNY

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Eh.. I never liked the Carter pick, but if he can put on weight and keep his quickness, I’m open to seeing him more at 1T in his second year.

 

Sanders was a swing at a game wrecker.  He has that potential.

 

I don’t think taking Sanders at 41 had much of anything to do with taking Carter in the 3rd last year. 
 

I mean, you’re right, if Carter was amazing last year, we maybe don’t draft Sanders.. but I don’t think you take a guy at 95 and expect him to dominate as a rookie. 

It’s not that you expect him to dominate but it isn’t a stretch to think he can contribute.  Carter was bad late last season that they made him a healthy scratch.  If Carter had a better season at 3T, I don’t think they sign Ogunjobi and they many don’t draft Sanders.

 

Like I said, the fact that they are putting Carter at 1T - a position he’s not as effective at - is telling. 

[Simon]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

Carter was bad late last season that they made him a healthy scratch.

 

I didn't love his game, but a DT coming off a wrist injury is sort of helpless out there.