Bills 2nd Rnd pick in 2025 Draft : TJ Sanders - DT South Carolina

[K D]

6 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I don't dislike the player, but the more I read the more I dislike picking him here. He's so far down every draft board, but the Bills traded away a bunch of picks to move up & take him here? They likely could've done nothing & got him. 

I absolutely hate the trade up and I'm not crazy about the player either. I'm going to pretend that they stayed and got Sanders and Jackson at their original spots in round 2. I think Jackson will be a much better player and they got him at a great value. I would have been happy with him as our pick at 62 either way.

[BillsPride12]

9 hours ago, Bag of Milk said:

During the Bills  phone call with Sanders after they selected him, I found it interesting that Pegula told him that the Bills had been " trying to trade up for him for like the last 20 picks"

I wouldn't read too much into that statement one way or another.  Pegula is absolutely clueless 😄

[Matt_In_NH]

10 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

No

Not surprised

[Shortchaz]

44 minutes ago, Xwnyer said:

It seems all three picks so far are guys with very high ceilings .  Really hope we can coach up these guys.  Seems like they are thinking Carter switching to 1T 

I think, of the 3, sanders has the highest ceiling. If he has the right mindset (desire/work ethic) and avoids injuries he could be a hall of fame type. The other two seem to have some limitations where they might have higher floors but lower ceilings. All three look to be immediate contributors with something rare going for them. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

50 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

I wouldn't read too much into that statement one way or another.  Pegula is absolutely clueless 😄

Haha I think he meant they were trying to find a trade partner around where they ended up trading up to for awhile and he made it sound like we would have traded 20 picks earlier than we did to get him 😂

[Augie]

13 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

He cost them a pretty penny 

 

Oddly, Joe Marino said on a podcast we actually gained some draft capital with the trade up, the equivalent of a 5th rounder, iirc. He also said they hope to beef up Carter and try him at 1T. Will that work? I have no idea. 🤷‍♂️ 

11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

There are people who will say we got lucky, everything was still wrong

 

One before I die, but that one didn’t count because I didn’t like the way it happened.  

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Oddly, Joe Marino said on a podcast we actually gained some draft capital with the trade up, the equivalent of a 5th rounder, iirc. He also said they hope to beef up Carter and try him at 1T. Will that work? I have no idea. 🤷‍♂️ 

 

One before I die, but that one didn’t count because I didn’t like the way it happened.  

When it happened, I wanted to throw up seeing we gave up both 2nd Rounders, but we really only moved back 10 spots from 62 and getting Landon Jackson, who very well could’ve been our pick at 62 anyway, makes this trade look a lot better in retrospect. 
 

Especially when factoring in that San Fran apparently loved Sanders and ended up going Collins after we jumped them. 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

In his PC Beane said "it's harder to find inside rush than 2 down nose - those guys - you can go in free agency now and find those"

Who are the clear 2 down nose guys Beane has pursued lately? Linval Joseph was the last I believe? We just don’t care about the role.

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

When it happened, I wanted to throw up seeing we gave up both 2nd Rounders, but we really only moved back 10 spots from 62 and getting Landon Jackson, who very well could’ve been our pick at 62 anyway, makes this trade look a lot better in retrospect. 
 

Especially when factoring in that San Fran apparently loved Sanders and ended up going Collins after we jumped them. 

What I landed on 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Who are the clear 2 down nose guys Beane has pursued lately? Linval Joseph was the last I believe? We just don’t care about the role.

What I landed on 

Beane is right about that, but he doesn’t seem to really want that either.  
 

Linval Joseph was out of desperation and the guy was on his last legs. 
 

We are loaded with talent at 3T now in Oliver, Sanders and Ogunjobi.  That’s some serious depth and talent.  And I know on passing downs, a combo of the 3 will be out there, in addition to possibly moving guys like Jackson, Rousseau and Hoecht inside.. but having two 1T’s, and according to Beane, those two being an aging Daquan Jones and seemingly moving DeWayne Carter to 1T after he was pushed around easily as a rookie is a bit worrisome.

 

Im not opposed to the Carter move, but he better make one heck of a second year jump. 
 

Like many here.. I’d love to just take a legit 1T, especially given the talent we now have at 3T. 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Xwnyer said:

It seems all three picks so far are guys with very high ceilings .  Really hope we can coach up these guys.  Seems like they are thinking Carter switching to 1T 

 

I swear I thought that’s where he was rotating with Jones pre injury.  

[Augie]

We can always argue about “which guys”, but I like the emphasis on winning the LOS. That was a serious problem on offense for years, but now the OL is a strength. I’d like to think this emphasis on DL is going to pay off in a similar fashion, especially if some of the new coaching additions can make a difference. We eventually got the OL right, now it’s time for the DL. 

[finn]

8 hours ago, Low Positive said:

The reason the Eagles got to Mahomes is that they have a great secondary that forced him to hold the ball for another second. No defensive line, no matter how great, gets home in less than 2 seconds.

Agree. The team obviously needed a CB, but in my view the need for a safety was/is more than DT and DE. The Bills defense was elite a few years ago, but when they lost Poyer and Hyde, the wheels fell off. I like the Sanders pick, but I think the Bills would have done better picking Malaki Starks as a true ball-hawking free safety, allowing Bishop to play his natural strong-safety position.

 

The Bills had it right a few years ago with Poyer and Hyde, just as Baltimore has it right with Hamilton and now Starks, and the Eagles with DeJean and now Mukuba (both 2nd round picks, incidentally). Beane sees Mahomes crushed like a tin can in the Super Bowl and thinks "pass rush." But he should be thinking "safety." 

[JohnNord]

14 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

I just don't get it

I don’t like the Sanders pick only because it all but confirms that DeWayne Carter doesn’t have much of a future,   
 

You don’t draft a primarily 3-tech DT like Sanders if you believe in Carter.   Sanders is everything we thought Carter was - a penetrating DT that can give you a pass rush while having the flexibility to play 1-tech if needed.  
 

Now Beane is saying Carter will be used as primarily the backup 1-tech?  Ok… so you’re putting Carter at the position where he’s been the least effective and making that his primary spot?  
 

This move doesn’t really make sense, unless you’re going to completely write off Carter as a bust. 

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I swear I thought that’s where he was rotating with Jones pre injury.  

No he was rotating at 3T.  When he came back he played some 1T and he stunk

[Pecker]

I watched a lot of YouTube highlights of all the top DTs.  I didn’t watched Sanders, til today.  He wasn’t on the top of anyone’s list.  
 

after watching some highlights, I just don’t see anything special?  He isn’t very big.  Doesn’t look very strong.  He’s not exactly quick or explosive.  His hands don’t look powerful or quick.  He seems intelligent and identifies plays well, but that’s all I got.  
 

It’s 6 minutes on YouTube, which are supposed to be his best plays but…. I just don’t see him being an impact player.   What am I missing?

 

comparing that to Alfred Collin’s, he’s big he’s long he is incredibly strong and he tosses blockers out of his way.  He moves well and is athletic.   Again just 5 minutes on YouTube. 
 

I hope they take walker from Kentucky.  He’s huge and is athletic, moves super well.  Convert him to LT all I care.  But he’s a special athlete and BPa

[Big Turk]

14 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I don't know too much about these guys- But Joe Marino is one of my resources and he has this guy as a mid 3?

 

Kiper and DJ also didn't have him high 

 

Does not sound great 

 

Seems like opinions vary a lot...Lance Zierlein, the guy who writes all the scouting reports for NFL.com, has a 2nd round grade on him and says he will be a plus starter eventually...

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-sanders/32005341-4e49-5668-67df-7d6378973c80

Edited 9 hours ago by Big Turk

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t like the Sanders pick only because it all but confirms that DeWayne Carter doesn’t have much of a future,   
 

You don’t draft a primarily 3-tech DT like Sanders if you believe in Carter.   Sanders is everything we thought Carter was - a penetrating DT that can give you a pass rush while having the flexibility to play 1-tech if needed.  
 

Now Beane is saying Carter will be used as primarily the backup 1-tech?  Ok… so you’re putting Carter at the position where he’s been the least effective and making that his primary spot?  
 

This move doesn’t really make sense, unless you’re going to completely write off Carter as a bust. 

Eh.. I never liked the Carter pick, but if he can put on weight and keep his quickness, I’m open to seeing him more at 1T in his second year.

 

Sanders was a swing at a game wrecker.  He has that potential.

 

I don’t think taking Sanders at 41 had much of anything to do with taking Carter in the 3rd last year. 
 

I mean, you’re right, if Carter was amazing last year, we maybe don’t draft Sanders.. but I don’t think you take a guy at 95 and expect him to dominate as a rookie. 

[Maine-iac]

Watched the Beane press conference and he made a lot of sense.  An interior pass rusher is something you spend draft capital on over a big 1 tech.  Having a nights sleep and watching Sanders some more I"m pretty happy with the pick.   After some rest I came to the conclusion I was initially mad we don't have a run stopper not that we traded around picks and took Sanders.  Sanders looks like he'll be a beast and great with Oliver and in the rotation over all.  Beane says you can get a 1tech to stop the run anywhere.  I hope he proves it.  

[Jerboski]

6 minutes ago, ***** said:

I watched a lot of YouTube highlights of all the top DTs.  I didn’t watched Sanders, til today.  He wasn’t on the top of anyone’s list.  
 

after watching some highlights, I just don’t see anything special?  He isn’t very big.  Doesn’t look very strong.  He’s not exactly quick or explosive.  His hands don’t look powerful or quick.  He seems intelligent and identifies plays well, but that’s all I got.  
 

It’s 6 minutes on YouTube, which are supposed to be his best plays but…. I just don’t see him being an impact player.   What am I missing?

 

comparing that to Alfred Collin’s, he’s big he’s long he is incredibly strong and he tosses blockers out of his way.  He moves well and is athletic.   Again just 5 minutes on YouTube. 
 

I hope they take walker from Kentucky.  He’s huge and is athletic, moves super well.  Convert him to LT all I care.  But he’s a special athlete and BPa

Way I see it too… I just don’t love this pick or the trade up 

 

love Maxwell and Landon, sanders is the one I just don’t get the pick. We need someone to push jones, he isn’t that. 

3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Watched the Beane press conference and he made a lot of sense.  An interior pass rusher is something you spend draft capital on over a big 1 tech.  Having a nights sleep and watching Sanders some more I"m pretty happy with the pick.   After some rest I came to the conclusion I was initially mad we don't have a run stopper not that we traded around picks and took Sanders.  Sanders looks like he'll be a beast and great with Oliver and in the rotation over all.  Beane says you can get a 1tech to stop the run anywhere.  I hope he proves it.  

If he can get it anywhere then how come he didn’t have it last year or the year before? 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Seems like opinions vary a lot...Lance Zierlein, the guy who writes all the scouting reports for NFL.com, has a 2nd round grade on him and says he will be a plus starter eventually...

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/t.j.-sanders/32005341-4e49-5668-67df-7d6378973c80

This draft has been wild if you listen to the draft community and where they had guys.

 

The NFL had these DL guys viewed WAY higher than draft pundits and podcasters.

 

Similarly, guys like Trey Amos and Xavier Watts were way lower. 
 

Then you have teams like the Lions that just do whatever they want like trade a haul for Isaac Teslaa way higher than anyone had him.

 

 

[BillsFooteball]

I don’t understand a lot hate on this thread. Sanders fits a need and can get to the QB. You add in Jackson and hell of a night last night. So only complaint is not big run stuffer? We didn’t give up to much trade value, all charts price this.  We will draft a 1T today