Bills 2nd Rnd pick in 2025 Draft : TJ Sanders - DT South Carolina

[Since1981]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

Every single DL is a rotational piece.

It's not a pejorative term

Totally agree. DL is more a rotating puzzle during a game. 

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Argue the pros and cons of trading extra capital for a player who the best reasonable expectation is “rotational piece” on defense.

 

Please and thanks. 

A guy like Milton Williams?  He played under 50% of the snaps for the eagles
 

If a player makes impact plays in key situations, being a “rotational piece” means nothing.  If he doesn’t- then, it will be a bad pick/trade.  

[Mister Defense]

27 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He's done nothing but hate on the Bills for years

 

Yup, and there were likely only 2-3 players of the entire hundreds remaining that would would have not elicited the same exact reaction as his one here.  Maybe 2-3..

 

 

[BeavercreekBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

The only reason these aren’t the drought years is Allen- Beane lucked into a HOF qb….if not for that he would have been gone long ago, with his track record

100% correct. Nailed that pick and has been living off of it since then 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

To be fair though:  Any DL player we chose comes in essentially as a rotational piece, that is just how we run our DL here.  Whether that is the right or wrong way to do it is fair to question, but it is how they use them, even Ed

Not untrue, but that would make me question even more the logic of trading up for a guy to max out at 30-40% of the snaps?

 

Just seems to me 80% of snaps is inherently more valuable than 30%.

[Since1981]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Beane lucked into a HOF qb

Yup. He gets credit for that too. Thank god for Beaney luck vs no luck. 

[babulator]

17 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

What?  Ed Oliver is by far our best IDL.

We'll see how TJ's game translates to the NFL. I'm not so sure there will be that much of a gap, by years end. Time will tell.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, PayDaBill$ said:

Lol staying pat we were getting ZIP!  This guy fills a need we swapped seconds dropped and picked up a third.  Not the end of the world. We can’t roster all the picks we have anyway!
 

 

Just now, One Buffalo said:

Trade value charts show a pretty even trade, some a slightly higher value on the Bills side of the trade.  Whether we needed to go up or not is another point entirely.  But the trade was fine. 

 

The DL run started with our pick, so looks like Beane was able to get out ahead of it and lock in the guy he wanted. Wasnt going to be anything left by 56. Still plenty of time to draft a big body in the middle.

[FLFan]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

To be fair though:  Any DL player we chose comes in essentially as a rotational piece, that is just how we run our DL here.  Whether that is the right or wrong way to do it is fair to question, but it is how they use them, even Ed

That’s the way the Eagles do it, for what’s that worth.  

[Magox]

 

[BigDingus]

And this is why I say I don't like the Bills investing more early picks in D. I don't think a trade was necessary, but they honed in on the guy they wanted & paid extra to get him. Hope it pans out.

[<bills4life>]

4 minutes ago, One Buffalo said:

Trade value charts show a pretty even trade, some a slightly higher value on the Bills side of the trade.  Whether we needed to go up or not is another point entirely.  But the trade was fine. 

Yeah. Initially I thought they gave up both 2nds to move up with nothing in return. It was an equal trade 

[buffblue]

30 minutes ago, Success said:

I see a lot of praise for his intelligence & leadership.

 

Definitely a pattern for this regime - which I don't mind.

 

True, but the same thing was said for Carter last year. He may be the forgotten man here bc in the first 5 games prior to injury he looked like he could be a player. Upon return...not so much

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

A guy like Milton Williams?  He played under 50% of the snaps for the eagles
 

If a player makes impact plays in key situations, being a “rotational piece” means nothing.  If he doesn’t- then, it will be a bad pick/trade.  

Did the Eagles trade up for Milton Williams? I can’t recall.

 

I do know he wasn’t good enough to demand a second contract from them.

[QLBillsFan]

40 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

This means NOTHING.  I like Joe Marino.. but he is not football god either... 

Agree I also like JM but he’s one opinion 🤷🏻‍♂️, plenty of others thinks he’s a mid to late 2nd round pick .. Grant went 13 many thought he was 30-40. Once the first 12-15 went it’s my understanding the next group from 15-75 are similar and are about team fit. But I could be wrong 😆 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, FireChans said:

Not untrue, but that would make me question even more the logic of trading up for a guy to max out at 30-40% of the snaps?

 

Just seems to me 80% of snaps is inherently more valuable than 30%.

 

So no drafting ANY DL early since everyone rotates? I cant keep up with all the posts in this thread, what position were you banging the table for that plays 80% of the snaps?

[somnus00]

After the superbowl, everyone wanted a d-line that gets to the quarterback. This guy penetrates and gets in the backfield quick.

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, BigDingus said:

And this is why I say I don't like the Bills investing more early picks in D. I don't think a trade was necessary, but they honed in on the guy they wanted & paid extra to get him. Hope it pans out.

 

Look at the DL run between where we traded to and where we started at 56. Beane saw the run coming and got out ahead of it.

[Shaw66]

12 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I fully support beane but not sure about drafting DT.  When they took Oliver there are many other DTs who have been better who were taken after him.  We will see about sanders and Carter in time.  

I can't compare players, but I do know that one coach who played the Bills last year said that they set up their offensive scheme by first planning how they can contain Oliver. That's not a bad thing. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So no drafting ANY DL early since everyone rotates? I cant keep up with all the posts in this thread, what position were you banging the table for that plays 80% of the snaps?

 

26 minutes ago, FireChans said:

To me, I don’t really care about 1t vs 3t. I think that’s very much overblown, even with Daquan Jones looking washed. You can get 1t’s anywhere.

 

What I do NOT get is the draft strategy of giving up capital for a player who the best reasonable expectation is “rotational piece” for the next 2-3 seasons.

 

i was a big Nolen fan. I wanted Beane to take him at 30 if he was there. I would be AGHAST if he traded this years 1 and next years 1 to get him. That’s just poor strategy.

 

It’s fine to trade up for a BTJ when you have no WR on the roster. It would be fine to trade up for Sanders if Eddy was traded. But otherwise it just seems like bad resource management especially for a player I don’t particularly like. Jmo ofc