wnyguy Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago Just now, boyst said: Womp womp womp this is PPP. Perhaps you should put your dress back on and go over to off the Wall. Ya think? 1
daz28 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 8 hours ago, boyst said: They already have made jokes about it Jokes about religion, being treated like a taboo, are maybe the oldest known form of woke in the history of mankind. 1
Big Blitz Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) I’ll pray for him and that he rests in peace. More on why he will be a significant Pope in a minute. But first…. My issues with Pope Francis will be either the deliberate and intentional - sometimes a lot was out of context due to low info media gleefully reporting “the Pope did not condemn gay people to hell today!” - but other commentary that he felt warranted addressing publicly. Climate change and immigration specifically. Selectively making a point to call out the actions of almost always the populist politicians. While not saying a thing about anything radical coming from the biggest threats to civilization on earth. They stayed silent when the Olympics mocked the last supper before billions of people. They stayed silent when last Easter - on Easter Sunday - Biden (fake Catholic) tweets about transgender day of recognition. This silence and conflicting statements led to a lot of friction in the Church and confusion among the flock. The next Pope must not allow this to continue. But for the times, perhaps these optics had to happen. His Papacy came at a time the church was under attack (always is) for the sexual abuse lawsuits. If God deemed him to be a leader necessary for these times it was bc he was best suited to publicly heal the Church’s reputation - to reinforce what we already know - that it’s an inclusive Church where all are welcome. The sin is not. He succeeded. I know this bc of the responses by our commie friends in this thread. AND NO DOGMA CHANGED. Nothing. He was clear as day on trans issues when he wasn’t in front of a 60 minutes camera. He was clear as day on gay marriage. And more young are converting to Catholicism than Protestantism. They are conservative as our the next generation of priests that understand what tik tok is and the challenges we face as a church and as a civilization. The church is thriving. God bless Francis and the next Pope. Edited 12 hours ago by Big Blitz 1
US Egg Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The church is thriving. The Catholic Church? Where? 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 12 hours ago Author Posted 12 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: And more young are concerting to Catholicism than Protestantism. They are conservative as our the next generation of priests that understand what tik tok is and the challenges we face as a church and as a civilization. The church is thriving. God bless Francis and the next Pope. I think your statement here is based on the US church. It largely is conservative yet I"m fairly well acquainted with priests and seminarians who are quite progressive - spiritually and politically. I would venture to say that most Jesuits (like Francis) are. And many in the global church are as well. I too am glad the church is doing well although I wouldn't say "thriving". I certainly hope the next Pope agrees with Francis' deep concern for the poor, sick, powerless, victimized and hopeless. There are a great many throughout the world.
daz28 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I too am glad the church is doing well LOL. If the churches job is to spread the teachings of Christ, they are doing a HORRIBLE job. There's proof on every single page on PPP. Edited 12 hours ago by daz28
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 12 hours ago Author Posted 12 hours ago 12 minutes ago, K D said: 😨 I wouldn't blame ihim if he did. Bad Kharma... Just now, daz28 said: LOL. If the churches job is to spread the teachings of Christ, they are doing a HORRIBLE I think Francis definitely did. As far as US bishops - nope, most lost the plot a generation ago. 1
daz28 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I wouldn't blame ihim if he did. Bad Kharma... A double zinger. Nice. 1
Big Blitz Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 9 minutes ago, US Egg said: The Catholic Church? Where? The data you have is up to 2022. 1
daz28 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I think Francis definitely did. As far as US bishops - nope, most lost the plot a generation ago. If we're defunding the DOE, because kids are dumb, then no he didn't do a good job teaching Christianity, and the church should be defunded. I beg anyone to show me how my logic is bad here. Edited 12 hours ago by daz28
boyst Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I think your statement here is based on the US church. It largely is conservative yet I"m fairly well acquainted with priests and seminarians who are quite progressive - spiritually and politically. I would venture to say that most Jesuits (like Francis) are. And many in the global church are as well. I too am glad the church is doing well although I wouldn't say "thriving". I certainly hope the next Pope agrees with Francis' deep concern for the poor, sick, powerless, victimized and hopeless. There are a great many throughout the world. The propensity of religion to gather individuals who seek and value belonging also tend to be hive minded and group think. This low bar of expectations that prays upon those who are not capable of free thought and cling to the Catholicism for guidance allows the narrative to be easily manipulated. Further, it's super simple to seek validation when in group think and want to consider all of your actions to be superior to others in both humanity and morality. This is also true for the Muslims. So, yeah, the Catholics shifting to the left more and more lines up with the Jews. It makes absolutely no sense because the left doesn't want religion in its basis. Of course as the a liberal mind thinks (honestly, they don't) they shift with the wind. The new found religious ideology of the left is going to cause a religious shift in the next 10-15 years to have the left be the politics of "God" and religion. 2 minutes ago, daz28 said: If we're defunding the DOE, because kids are dumb, then no he didn't do a good job teaching Christianity, and the church should be defunded. I beg anyone to show me how my logic is bad here. How do you defund the church? The church shall have no restrictions. The government cannot cause mechanisms to subvert free choice religion.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 12 hours ago Author Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 4 minutes ago, daz28 said: If we're defunding the DOE, because kids are dumb, then no he didn't do a good job teaching Christianity, and the church should be defunded. I beg anyone to show me how my logic is bad here. you lost me. Let's start with the premise that the US is defunding the DOE be cause kids are dumb. Let's just take that as fact even though it's stupid. so show me the logic from there to "the church should be defunded" conclusion. Edited 12 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever
US Egg Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The data you have is up to 2022. Ok, thanks. Guess all the Catholic church closing in the U.S. aren’t an indicator. 1 1
daz28 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: The data you have is up to 2022. They better hope African membership wasn't driven by high birth rates, because infant mortality is going to soar. Good ol chunk of irony right there, that good Christian Mike Johnson supports those cuts to health and food for Africa. 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: you lost me. Let's start with the premise that the US is defunding the DOE be cause kids are dumb. Let's just take that as fact even though it's stupid. so show me the logic from there to "the church should be defunded" conclusion. Because most American Christians think Jesus was woke???????
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 12 hours ago Author Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 1 minute ago, daz28 said: They better hope African membership wasn't driven by high birth rates, because infant mortality is going to soar. Good ol chunk of irony right there, that good Christian Mike Johnson supports those cuts to health and food for Africa. but what has that got to due with defunding the church? I assume you mean tax exempt status. Edited 12 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever
daz28 Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: but what has that got to due with defunding the church? I assume you mean tax exempt status. No that was just a play on words. Just meant it's clearly a waste of money if you're considering the results as the gauge of success. You gotta know by now that maybe my favorite thing ever is exposing hypocrisy. They hate that Jesus is woke, and at the same time get mad when you make religious jokes(as I've said is the most woke thing EVER).
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 12 hours ago Author Posted 12 hours ago 7 minutes ago, daz28 said: No that was just a play on words. Just meant it's clearly a waste of money if you're considering the results as the gauge of success. You gotta know by now that maybe my favorite thing ever is exposing hypocrisy. They hate that Jesus is woke, and at the same time get mad when you make religious jokes(as I've said is the most woke thing EVER). Thanks. I thought something similar: Dumb kids = amoral adults. Schools don't work therefore churches don't work. Largely true but not totally. Francis touched many people. So did John Paul II. The world is better for them. And Jesus would definitely not be a MAGA were he here today.
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leh-nerd skin-erd Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 6 hours ago, boyst said: War and persecution have absolutely been used to target the economies of the enemies of the Catholic Church Yeah, Catholicism is not as bloody now as it used to be but holy ***** the past of that organization is absolutely among the worst ever in the history of man. Yet, we celebrate it...because like, God is cool or some *****? Nah, no thanks. I don't need bull#### from hypocrites to provide me a moral compass because it's cool or trendy. That’s the beauty of our world, boyst. Feel the way you do, and you’re certainly correct that the church has been an abject failure at times. Its created turmoil and conflict for me as I try to wrap my head around it. We were actively involved in the church, my experiences were excellent pretty much across the board. Still, the other stuff. People of faith celebrate the goodness, decency and community offered by the church, warts and all. In spite of the trauma, the Catholic faith has given joy and comfort to untold numbers of people through history. I’m glad we’re at a point where you can speak your mind in spite of how it might conflict with those who practice the religion. Besides, there isn’t any room at Del Boca Vista for you at the next Moral Compass meeting, so don’t even bother calling!!
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