Turbo's 2025 Mock draft

[turbo044]

I know there's a few mock draft  threads going on, and mods, feel free to merge.  I wanted to emphasize why i think it should be a huge consideration in MOVING DOWN from #30 and picking up another day 2 pick.  

 

If we have multiple guys we like at #30, I'd consider moving down into the early 2nd with a QB needy team and pick up a 3rd.  Something like this would work well:

 

#30 and #109 to Denver for #34 and #65 - we move #30 for an early 2nd and an early 3rd while giving up an early 4th.  The draft is stacked through around the top 70 and, if Beane drafts well, we legitimately could have 4 starters or contributors with picks 34, 56, 62 and 65.  Unless they LOVE someone earlier in the first, There's no need to trade up, especially if we lose a 2nd/3rd to do so.  Possible players in this scenario:

#34  CB Amos - Ole Miss - great zone CB and Bills have met numerous times with him

#56  DE Landon Jackson - Arkansas - Bills have met numerous times with him

#62  DT Alfred Collins - Texas - not a great pass rusher (but room for improvement) but a 332 pound 1T whom I think is the best run stuffer in the draft.  I passed on TJ Sanders and Darius Alexander cuz I wanted the pure 1T guy, not a 3T guy

#65  WR  Jayden Higgins - Iowa State -I took him over Kevin Williams as I think he's a more complete WR. 6'4" 214 who runs a 4.49 40 with great stats last year:  87 catches 1,183 yards with 8 TD's.  Think Gabe Davis on Steroids (more speed, better route tree).  This is why you trade down in RD1, to get a 4th pick in the top 65 and grab another starter.

 

Amos is a day 1 starter as is Jackson and Collins (in McDermott's rotational DLine scheme) + I think Higgins is the 2nd best WR on our roster on Day 1 of training camp.

 

Later picks:

 

132 Jordan Phillips - Maryland - I double down on DT with another mauling DT that the Bills seem enamored with

169  Jaydon Blue - Texas - Fastest RB in draft with 4.37 speed.  Not much wear on the body (split carries at Texas), is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield and unlike Cooke, is a willing and good blocking RB

 

Now, who knows if all these players are available where I drafted them.  In this simulation they were:  https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft

170  CB/S Caleb Ransaw - Tulane - I doubled down on CB with an athletic freak that can play every position in the secondary. He's a great tackler (which is a must for McDermott) with great speed and decent size.  The reason he's available so late is he needs to improve his ball skills

173  WR Isaiah Bond - Texas -  I doubled down on WR here.  I don't think Buffalo makes this pick, but, the chance to get a 2nd round WR talent in the 6th round is too good to pass. Hopefully his off season issues are resolved.

177  LB  Shaun Dolac - Buffalo -  a nice local boy story, but this kid can play

206  P Alex Mastromanno - Florida state - Our current two punters are blah, this guy comes to camp as our #1 punter - 

[wppete]

This a great draft and love the idea trading back a little to get an early 3rd. Good job! Much improved team after this draft. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

25 minutes ago, turbo044 said:

I know there's a few mock draft  threads going on, and mods, feel free to merge.  I wanted to emphasize why i think it should be a huge consideration in MOVING DOWN from #30 and picking up another day 2 pick.  

 

If we have multiple guys we like at #30, I'd consider moving down into the early 2nd with a QB needy team and pick up a 3rd.  Something like this would work well:

 

#30 and #109 to Denver for #34 and #65 - we move #30 for an early 2nd and an early 3rd while giving up an early 4th.  The draft is stacked through around the top 70 and, if Beane drafts well, we legitimately could have 4 starters or contributors with picks 34, 56, 62 and 65.  Unless they LOVE someone earlier in the first, There's no need to trade up, especially if we lose a 2nd/3rd to do so.  Possible players in this scenario:

#34  CB Amos - Ole Miss - great zone CB and Bills have met numerous times with him

#56  DE Landon Jackson - Arkansas - Bills have met numerous times with him

#62  DT Alfred Collins - Texas - not a great pass rusher (but room for improvement) but a 332 pound 1T whom I think is the best run stuffer in the draft.  I passed on TJ Sanders and Darius Alexander cuz I wanted the pure 1T guy, not a 3T guy

#65  WR  Jayden Higgins - Iowa State -I took him over Kevin Williams as I think he's a more complete WR. 6'4" 214 who runs a 4.49 40 with great stats last year:  87 catches 1,183 yards with 8 TD's.  Think Gabe Davis on Steroids (more speed, better route tree).  This is why you trade down in RD1, to get a 4th pick in the top 65 and grab another starter.

 

Amos is a day 1 starter as is Jackson and Collins (in McDermott's rotational DLine scheme) + I think Higgins is the 2nd best WR on our roster on Day 1 of training camp.

 

Later picks:

 

132 Jordan Phillips - Maryland - I double down on DT with another mauling DT that the Bills seem enamored with

169  Jaydon Blue - Texas - Fastest RB in draft with 4.37 speed.  Not much wear on the body (split carries at Texas), is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield and unlike Cooke, is a willing and good blocking RB

 

Now, who knows if all these players are available where I drafted them.  In this simulation they were:  https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft

170  CB/S Caleb Ransaw - Tulane - I doubled down on CB with an athletic freak that can play every position in the secondary. He's a great tackler (which is a must for McDermott) with great speed and decent size.  The reason he's available so late is he needs to improve his ball skills

173  WR Isaiah Bond - Texas -  I doubled down on WR here.  I don't think Buffalo makes this pick, but, the chance to get a 2nd round WR talent in the 6th round is too good to pass. Hopefully his off season issues are resolved.

177  LB  Shaun Dolac - Buffalo -  a nice local boy story, but this kid can play

206  P Alex Mastromanno - Florida state - Our current two punters are blah, this guy comes to camp as our #1 punter - 

Great draft.

[No_Matter_What]

Nice draft and unless somebody falls I am firmly on trade down and take CB board.

 

It Giants not Denver though

[MikePJ76]

Everyone is going to want to trade down in this draft which means I think it will be costly to do so for the team moving down.  

 

I am curious to see if and or when teams start bailing on picks and trade them away for picks in next years draft.

 

The Giants are still the perfect partner to move back with since they have two 3rd's and pick at 34.  Even though one of those is a comp pick and is basically like a high 4.

[NewEra]

Jayden Higgins available at #65 🤣 

 

if we were lucky enough for this draft to happen, we might win 5 super bowls over the next 6 seasons.  Great thought and player selections.  If we don’t go DT in rd 1, landing Collins, Tyliek or CJ west somewhere along the road will be important imo.  
 

While I like Blue for his big play ability and take Cooks role as a big play RB in the future, his 1 fumble per 31 rushes is insanely terrible.  

[Dr. Who]

37 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Jayden Higgins available at #65 🤣 

 

if we were lucky enough for this draft to happen, we might win 5 super bowls over the next 6 seasons.  Great thought and player selections.  If we don’t go DT in rd 1, landing Collins, Tyliek or CJ west somewhere along the road will be important imo.  
 

While I like Blue for his big play ability and take Cooks role as a big play RB in the future, his 1 fumble per 31 rushes is insanely terrible.  

I've become bipolar on Higgins. For a number of weeks, he was my favorite day 2 WR, but then I was convinced by the pundits and some folks here that he isn't the answer at boundary WR because of lack of deep speed. Still, my natural inclination is to really like the guy. Another fella that probably is a good choice as day 2 WR is Jalen Royals. (I didn't know about Blue's fumbling issues; that's not good.) 

 

I wouldn't mind doubling up at DT. I like all the ones you mentioned. Folks appear to have cooled on Grant. Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I believe there is some hidden pass rush there. Anyway, I've already got his nickname picked out: Unconditional Surrender.

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, No_Matter_What said:

Nice draft and unless somebody falls I am firmly on trade down and take CB board.

 

It Giants not Denver though

Saints too are a team to watch if they don’t get a qb in the 1st

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Jayden Higgins available at #65 🤣 

 

if we were lucky enough for this draft to happen, we might win 5 super bowls over the next 6 seasons.  Great thought and player selections.  If we don’t go DT in rd 1, landing Collins, Tyliek or CJ west somewhere along the road will be important imo.  
 

While I like Blue for his big play ability and take Cooks role as a big play RB in the future, his 1 fumble per 31 rushes is insanely terrible.  

True / if he’s gone there’s always Kevin Williams, Jaylen royals and later in Thornton.

[Aussie Joe]

Moving down a few spots with the first and then moving up with the second pick is the way most of my mocks are playing out …. Could be a little harder in real life no doubt ..

[NewEra]

58 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I've become bipolar on Higgins. For a number of weeks, he was my favorite day 2 WR, but then I was convinced by the pundits and some folks here that he isn't the answer at boundary WR because of lack of deep speed. Still, my natural inclination is to really like the guy. Another fella that probably is a good choice as day 2 WR is Jalen Royals. (I didn't know about Blue's fumbling issues; that's not good.) 

 

I wouldn't mind doubling up at DT. I like all the ones you mentioned. Folks appear to have cooled on Grant. Maybe I'm hallucinating, but I believe there is some hidden pass rush there. Anyway, I've already got his nickname picked out: Unconditional Surrender.

Grant has always been my #1 target.  Harmons pass rush has me thinking he might be the better fit, but I prefer Grant.  I mentioned the other 3 as candidates if we don’t take a DT rd 1.  Although I think we could take Tyliek at 30 if the others are gone.  I think it could come down to whether or not we have someone to trade down with.  
 

I’d be on board with 2 DTs in the first 3 picks as long as one is pass rush upside. 

 

Yeah I love Royals as well.  I’d be very happy with him in rd 2.   Although i’d be happier drafting one and trading up for CJ west or Jordan Phillips in rd 3-4

My Jalen Royals comparison is DJ Moore.  

[turbo044]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Moving down a few spots with the first and then moving up with the second pick is the way most of my mocks are playing out …. Could be a little harder in real life no doubt ..

I think the move down from #30 to the low 30s to early 40s will be available as one of the qb desperate teams will be looking to move up.  Can we gte a 3rd by doing so?  I think so but we may need to throw a pick back (4th, 5th or 6th?) which is fine as we have 10 picks.  Moving up from 56 to, say 42 would cost us 56, 109, 132 and 169 according to the draft calculator = too rich for my blood.

1 minute ago, turbo044 said:

I think the move down from #30 to the low 30s to early 40s will be available as one of the qb desperate teams will be looking to move up.  Can we gte a 3rd by doing so?  I think so but we may need to throw a pick back (4th, 5th or 6th?) which is fine as we have 10 picks.  Moving up from 56 to, say 42 would cost us 56, 109, 132 and 169 according to the draft calculator = too rich for my blood.

If they did draft 2 DT's in the first 3 rounds - say harmon at #30 if he drops then Alfred Collins at #62 that would work well. I think I like Collins almost as much as Grant and you'd get him a round later.

[aristocrat]

3 hours ago, turbo044 said:

I know there's a few mock draft  threads going on, and mods, feel free to merge.  I wanted to emphasize why i think it should be a huge consideration in MOVING DOWN from #30 and picking up another day 2 pick.  

 

If we have multiple guys we like at #30, I'd consider moving down into the early 2nd with a QB needy team and pick up a 3rd.  Something like this would work well:

 

#30 and #109 to Denver for #34 and #65 - we move #30 for an early 2nd and an early 3rd while giving up an early 4th.  The draft is stacked through around the top 70 and, if Beane drafts well, we legitimately could have 4 starters or contributors with picks 34, 56, 62 and 65.  Unless they LOVE someone earlier in the first, There's no need to trade up, especially if we lose a 2nd/3rd to do so.  Possible players in this scenario:

#34  CB Amos - Ole Miss - great zone CB and Bills have met numerous times with him

#56  DE Landon Jackson - Arkansas - Bills have met numerous times with him

#62  DT Alfred Collins - Texas - not a great pass rusher (but room for improvement) but a 332 pound 1T whom I think is the best run stuffer in the draft.  I passed on TJ Sanders and Darius Alexander cuz I wanted the pure 1T guy, not a 3T guy

#65  WR  Jayden Higgins - Iowa State -I took him over Kevin Williams as I think he's a more complete WR. 6'4" 214 who runs a 4.49 40 with great stats last year:  87 catches 1,183 yards with 8 TD's.  Think Gabe Davis on Steroids (more speed, better route tree).  This is why you trade down in RD1, to get a 4th pick in the top 65 and grab another starter.

 

Amos is a day 1 starter as is Jackson and Collins (in McDermott's rotational DLine scheme) + I think Higgins is the 2nd best WR on our roster on Day 1 of training camp.

 

Later picks:

 

132 Jordan Phillips - Maryland - I double down on DT with another mauling DT that the Bills seem enamored with

169  Jaydon Blue - Texas - Fastest RB in draft with 4.37 speed.  Not much wear on the body (split carries at Texas), is an outstanding receiver out of the backfield and unlike Cooke, is a willing and good blocking RB

 

Now, who knows if all these players are available where I drafted them.  In this simulation they were:  https://www.profootballnetwork.com/mockdraft

170  CB/S Caleb Ransaw - Tulane - I doubled down on CB with an athletic freak that can play every position in the secondary. He's a great tackler (which is a must for McDermott) with great speed and decent size.  The reason he's available so late is he needs to improve his ball skills

173  WR Isaiah Bond - Texas -  I doubled down on WR here.  I don't think Buffalo makes this pick, but, the chance to get a 2nd round WR talent in the 6th round is too good to pass. Hopefully his off season issues are resolved.

177  LB  Shaun Dolac - Buffalo -  a nice local boy story, but this kid can play

206  P Alex Mastromanno - Florida state - Our current two punters are blah, this guy comes to camp as our #1 punter - 

Higgins had like 3 drops in two seasons. I’m really liking him 

[Aussie Joe]

21 minutes ago, turbo044 said:

I think the move down from #30 to the low 30s to early 40s will be available as one of the qb desperate teams will be looking to move up.  Can we gte a 3rd by doing so?  I think so but we may need to throw a pick back (4th, 5th or 6th?) which is fine as we have 10 picks.  Moving up from 56 to, say 42 would cost us 56, 109, 132 and 169 according to the draft calculator = too rich for my blood.

If they did draft 2 DT's in the first 3 

If they take a DL with the first pick.., then they might need to move up to the late 40s to get their CB ..  this could conceivably be done at a cost of 132  +170 …

[turbo044]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

If they take a DL with the first pick.., then they might need to move up to the late 40s to get their CB ..  this could conceivably be done at a cost of 132  +170 …

if that's what the value chart says, i have no problem paying that price

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Trey Amos or Kenneth Grant at 30 and  I go to bed happy.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Grant has always been my #1 target.  Harmons pass rush has me thinking he might be the better fit, but I prefer Grant.  I mentioned the other 3 as candidates if we don’t take a DT rd 1.  Although I think we could take Tyliek at 30 if the others are gone.  I think it could come down to whether or not we have someone to trade down with.  
 

I’d be on board with 2 DTs in the first 3 picks as long as one is pass rush upside. 

 

Yeah I love Royals as well.  I’d be very happy with him in rd 2.   Although i’d be happier drafting one and trading up for CJ west or Jordan Phillips in rd 3-4

My Jalen Royals comparison is DJ Moore.  

Say it with me...Nolen.

[turbo044]

12 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Say it with me...Nolen.

Yep I think Nolen >> Grant

[nosejob]

38 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Say it with me...Nolen.

Then  Collins or Jackson and  Porter.

Edited 23 hours ago by nosejob

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

Say it with me...Nolen.

I’d be good with Nolen because I think he can be a difference maker.  If we draft him, I think we’d definitely have to draft a big 1T later on

Edited 23 hours ago by NewEra

[turbo044]

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d be good with Nolen because I think he can be a difference maker.  If we draft him, I think we’d definitely have to draft a big 1T later on

Yep plenty available this year in later rounds:

Tyleik Williams 2nd

Collins or Walker 3rd

West or Phillips 4th

Caldwell 5th

Cam Jackson 6th

 I probably missed a few