Barbarian Draft

[FLFan]

22 minutes ago, Success said:

 

Gotta disagree on that.  

 

Particularly w/ this team.  We give up a lot in the passing game in basically every playoff loss we've had.  Revel is FAST - and can keep up w/ some of the speedy receivers we'll face in January & February.

 

Not sure if we'll go that way, but it would be a good move, imo.

 

Revel WAS fast.  We do not know what he will be coming off the ACL or how long it will be until he is able to be at his new best.  That is too big a risk for me on a first round corner, especially coming off the Elam fiasco.  I have no problem picking a corner in that spot, but not Revel. 

Edited Saturday at 06:42 PM by FLFan

[Mike in Horseheads]

57 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

1.30 - Shavon Revel Jr.East Carolina CB 6'2"194

2.56 - Landon Jackson Arkansas EDGE 6'6"264

2.62 - Kyle Williams Washington State WR 5'10"182

4.109 - Ty Robinson Nebraska DL3TDE 6'5"288

4.132 - Jamaree Caldwell Oregon DL1T 6'2"342

5.169 - Zy Alexander LSU CB 6'1"187

5.170 - Tyler Batty BYU EDGE 6'6"269

5.173 - Dylan Fairchild Georgia OG 6'5"315

6.177 - Shaun Dolac Buffalo OLB 6'0"223

6.206 - Nash Hutmacher Nebraska DL1T 6'3"330

Ya forgot a punter.  Nice job.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

14 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

But we can restock the Williams’ cupboard again.

 

exactly !

 

 

3 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Ya forgot a punter.  Nice job.

 

we are not punting next year 😅😅

 

 

10 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t think we could toss him over the LOS.

 

he'll make his own path 💪💪👑👑

 

 

[TheBeaneBandit]

7 minutes ago, FLFan said:

Revel WAS fast.  We do not know what he will be coming off the ACL or how long it will be until he is able to be at his new best.  That is too big a risk for me on a first round corner, especially coming off the Elam fiasco.  I have no problem picking a corner in that spot, but not Revel. 

Well just trade him out for either Amos or Hairston I don't think we could go wrong with any of those three personally.

[Westside]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

To old and no speed

He’s still faster than Coleman.

48 minutes ago, Brandon said:

 

On general principle,  as boring as a 1st round pick at CB is,  I wouldn't absolutely hate it given the need,  but I'd be concerned if they pick a guy coming off a major injury.  

No more drafting players who are coming off major knee injuries. Especially in the first round. So that probably means that’s who we’re going to draft. 😢

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well just trade him out for either Amos or Hairston I don't think we could go wrong with any of those three personally.

 

Hairston is too small for my liking

 

 

[Westside]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Hairston is too small for my liking

 

 

I definitely prefer Amos but u don’t think he will be there at 30.

[Turbo44]

I feel these online simulations aren’t true to value, but this is the one I just did which seems somewhat realistic:

 

traded 30 and 109 to NYG for 34 and 65. NYG as expected took their QB - makes a ton of sense. Picks:

 

34 DL -  took Nolan over Grant

58 CB - Hairston - don’t think he’ll be available in the real draft but he was here

62 EDGE - took Swinson over Tuimoloau

65 WR - took Higgins over Kyle Williams

 

This is why I love trading slightly down out of rd 1 and in this case ending up having (3) 2nds and the first pick of the 3rd. This draft is so deep and with those 4 picks we fill all 4 of our biggest needs and with all 4 of those impact players whom could start

 

I traded 132 and 177 to LAC for 125 cuz I really wanted to double up at DL and took Joshua Farmer(a guy we’ve met with numerous times) With Nolan and Farmer, pairing with Oliver, the middle of our D all of a sudden is intimidating.

 

169 RB Jaydon Blue - crazy speed we’ve shown a ton of interest in

170 CB/S Caleb Ransaw - ridiculous athlete who plays multiple positions in the secondary 

173 WR Isaiah Bond - 2nd round talent in the 5th round and we all know why. Doubling up at WR and hoping the charges are false. Nice risk/reward shot here

206 LB Shaun Dolac - took the local kid but he deserved to be drafted and has a legitimate shot to make the team

 

priority UDFA: Punter (Sauls, Mastromanno), CB, 330+ DT, Oline

 

[machine gun kelly]

BB, it’s great to hear from you old friend.  I miss our conversations.  I hope you’re well and trust your research.

[TheBeaneBandit]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Hairston is too small for my liking

 

 

A little bit for me too but one NFL off-season training program and he would probably be fine. With Tre back, we could ease him in and not overwork him his first season. 

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I will be so deeply disappointed if we take a CB.

I get that its a need... but come on. I cant think of a single team ever that won SB's because they had that one amazing CB.|

Give me a game wrecking d-linemen. Any of those available in this draft (I haven't been paying attention)?

How can you be deeply disappointed if you haven’t been paying attention?

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

How can you be deeply disappointed if you haven’t been paying attention?

It's a lifestyle choice.

[Einstein]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

How can you be deeply disappointed if you haven’t been paying attention?

Apologies if I was not clear enough. I would be deeply disappointed in the *position*. Not the player.

Unless the next Revis is there for us to pick, I simply do not see value in CB's in the first round. Ever.

Not only do we have a CB savant as head coach, who has turned crap into lemonade, but CB's simply do not move the Super Bowl needle in my opinion. 

I want positions that move the SB needle. Positions that have the potential to get us over the top. D-linemen - by nature of their ability to completely take over a game if you get the right one - is an example. 

Even if you draft a top 10 CB, they are not going to take over a game and get you over the hump. They'll solidify your backfield - but im looking for more than that.

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Apologies if I was not clear enough. I would be deeply disappointed in the *position*. Not the player.

Unless the next Revis is there for us to pick, I simply do not see value in CB's in the first round. Ever.

Not only do we have a CB savant as head coach, who has turned crap into lemonade, but CB's simply do not move the Super Bowl needle in my opinion. 

I want positions that move the SB needle. Positions that have the potential to get us over the top. D-linemen - by nature of their ability to completely take over a game if you get the right one - is an example. 

Even if you draft a top 10 CB, they are not going to take over a game and get you over the hump. They'll solidify your backfield - but im looking for more than that.

 

I disagree. CB was clearly a massive problem for us in the AFCCG. Great CBs might not make as many flashy plays as WRs and pass rushers but taking away an entire side of the field is still valuable. A lot of what you're saying could apply to LTs too. I wouldn't trade up for either of those positions the way I would a WR or pass rusher but they're still absolutely worth taking in the 1st because if you don't have one you're at a huge disadvantage.

 

Edited Saturday at 08:14 PM by HappyDays

[Einstein]

Just now, HappyDays said:

CB was clearly a massive problem for us in the AFCCG.

 

That's because our #1 CB exited the game after the first series. 

Injuries can derail any position. With our full stable of average CB's we held KC to 20 points in the reg season.

Don't get me wrong - i understand where you're coming from. And its not that I think having capable CB's is a bad thing. I just don't think they are SB changers. I dont think adding a top 10 CB to last years roster would have made one iota of difference in winning the SB. Jmo.

Adding a top 10 pass rusher/d-linemen (for example) and I think we are representing the AFC last year.

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Kyle Williams will suck at WR

I’ve learned this week that I’m supposed to hate Tre White so let’s throw Kyle in too.  Also, Fred Jackson is a real jerk.

[WotAGuy]

28 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Apologies if I was not clear enough. I would be deeply disappointed in the *position*. Not the player.

Unless the next Revis is there for us to pick, I simply do not see value in CB's in the first round. Ever.

Not only do we have a CB savant as head coach, who has turned crap into lemonade, but CB's simply do not move the Super Bowl needle in my opinion. 

I want positions that move the SB needle. Positions that have the potential to get us over the top. D-linemen - by nature of their ability to completely take over a game if you get the right one - is an example. 

Even if you draft a top 10 CB, they are not going to take over a game and get you over the hump. They'll solidify your backfield - but im looking for more than that.

That’s all well and good, but if the DT cupboard is bare at #30, why not take a CB if he’s rated a first rounder?  Gotta go with your board; it has cost thousands of man-hours and millions to develop - use it. 

Edited Saturday at 08:34 PM by WotAGuy

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Well just trade him out for either Amos or Hairston I don't think we could go wrong with any of those three personally.

I don’t think any of those guys are worthy of a 1st rounder. Take the DT or a stud DE if one falls and see whom is available at 56. The Morrisons of the world will be really good picks 

1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Hairston is too small for my liking

 

 

6’0 and 183 is not small for a CB. Factor in his confidence and crazy speed (4.29) and I think he’s the 4th best cb in the draft. I still don’t think I’d take him at 30, but with the immense depth at DL, I wouldn’t be surprised if Beane does

[Ben]

3 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Kyle Williams will suck at WR

he has lost a lot of weight 😁

[eball]

This draft prediction is downright barbaric.