Return of the Tre! (Tre White signs with the Bills)

[4merper4mer]

16 hours ago, Toyo321 said:

  On 4/18/2025 at 7:47 PM, Toyo321 said:

Absolute waste of money at this point.  Our team needs to get better you don't do this by signing a Vet that was released from the team due to major injuries and has been on the decline since he was let go..  Unreal what they are smoking in their pipes at One Bills Drive.   Yeah bad move by Buffalo and for wasting money on an non impactful player.

 

 

The guy is washed...  He played like dog 💩even before he got hurt for us and we let him go,  he can't tackle worth a damn and when the wind blows to hard and knocks him off his feet, we get blown coverage play after play when he failed to he show up in games prior to his first injury.  Yet we sign him again when we could have put that money to better use on the D side of the ball.   It is amazing how many player we sign year after year that are over paid and they don't perform up to what salary they get paid.   Oh well like you said not my money........

I wouldn’t reply but the board doesn’t employ a clown emoji so:

 

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Edited Sunday at 05:42 PM by 4merper4mer

[mikemac2001]

34 minutes ago, Toyo321 said:

  On 4/18/2025 at 7:47 PM, Toyo321 said:

Absolute waste of money at this point.  Our team needs to get better you don't do this by signing a Vet that was released from the team due to major injuries and has been on the decline since he was let go..  Unreal what they are smoking in their pipes at One Bills Drive.   Yeah bad move by Buffalo and for wasting money on an non impactful player.

 

 

The guy is washed...  He played like dog 💩even before he got hurt for us and we let him go,  he can't tackle worth a damn and when the wind blows to hard and knocks him off his feet, we get blown coverage play after play when he failed to he show up in games prior to his first injury.  Yet we sign him again when we could have put that money to better use on the D side of the ball.   It is amazing how many player we sign year after year that are over paid and they don't perform up to what salary they get paid.   Oh well like you said not my money........

So your not a fan of this signing?

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, Toyo321 said:

  On 4/18/2025 at 7:47 PM, Toyo321 said:

Absolute waste of money at this point.  Our team needs to get better you don't do this by signing a Vet that was released from the team due to major injuries and has been on the decline since he was let go..  Unreal what they are smoking in their pipes at One Bills Drive.   Yeah bad move by Buffalo and for wasting money on an non impactful player.

 

 

The guy is washed...  He played like dog 💩even before he got hurt for us and we let him go,  he can't tackle worth a damn and when the wind blows to hard and knocks him off his feet, we get blown coverage play after play when he failed to he show up in games prior to his first injury.  Yet we sign him again when we could have put that money to better use on the D side of the ball.   It is amazing how many player we sign year after year that are over paid and they don't perform up to what salary they get paid.   Oh well like you said not my money........

 

If someone had told me, or most Bills' fans, I think, that less than a week before the draft, the only additions to the cornerback room, on a team that had its worst performance in pass defense in recent memory, allowing opposing QBs to to complete 69% of their passes, 5th worst in the league, would be two castoffs, Dane Jackson and Tre White, I would have laughed and wondered what that person was "smoking in their pipe". 

 

No way would Beane go back to players like that to improve a pass defense in desperate need of speed, youth, and athleticism. This is not part of any good 'process'.

 

I am not a Beane basher at all, but very discouraging.  The draft will need to yield the Bills two high quality cornerbacks now, as the cupboard is almost bare--still.

 

With this, I am waiting to hear the next big news that Jordan Philips has been resigned, and Austin Johnson, and ol' Von too. They can turn Miller's home into a has been halfway house, where they can all live together.

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 02:33 AM by Mister Defense

[Uncle Monkeyhead]

On 4/17/2025 at 3:30 PM, TheBeaneBandit said:

I've always secretly hoped something like this could happen where Tre recovered enough to rejoin the Bills and bring one home 

I called it when they let him go. Just not here 😄

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

3 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

If someone had told me, or most Bills' fans, I think, that less than a week before the draft, the only additions to the cornerback room, on a team that had its worst performance in pass defense in recent memory, allowing opposing QBs to to complete 69% of their passes, 5th worst in the league, would be two castoffs, Dane Jackson and Tre White, I would have laughed and wondered what that person was "smoking in their pipe". 

 

No way would Beane go back to players like that to improve a pass defense in desperate need of speed, youth, and athleticism. This is not part of any good 'process'.

 

I am not a Beane basher at all, but very discouraging.  The draft will need to yield the Bills two high quality cornerbacks now, as the cupboard is almost bare--still.

 

With this, I am waiting to hear the next big news that Jordan Philips has been resigned, and Austin Johnson, and ol' Von too. They can turn Miller's home into a has been halfway house, where they can all live together.

 

 

 

 

 

Rasul Douglas and Jordan Poyer are still available

[Dillenger4]

10 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

If someone had told me, or most Bills' fans, I think, that less than a week before the draft, the only additions to the cornerback room, on a team that had its worst performance in pass defense in recent memory, allowing opposing QBs to to complete 69% of their passes, 5th worst in the league, would be two castoffs, Dane Jackson and Tre White, I would have laughed and wondered what that person was "smoking in their pipe". 

 

No way would Beane go back to players like that to improve a pass defense in desperate need of speed, youth, and athleticism. This is not part of any good 'process'.

 

I am not a Beane basher at all, but very discouraging.  The draft will need to yield the Bills two high quality cornerbacks now, as the cupboard is almost bare--still.

 

With this, I am waiting to hear the next big news that Jordan Philips has been resigned, and Austin Johnson, and ol' Von too. They can turn Miller's home into a has been halfway house, where they can all live together.

 

 

 

 

This, right here! Most fans on this board are are in love with Tre for some insane reason. It's not about Tre - who btw is a total waste joke - it's about beane who seems to be losing his way. I sure hope the draft goes well for the bills because this team (Defense) is a joke.

[boater]

56 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

This, right here! Most fans on this board are are in love with Tre for some insane reason. It's not about Tre - who btw is a total waste joke - it's about beane who seems to be losing his way. I sure hope the draft goes well for the bills because this team (Defense) is a joke.

 

Look at the top ten cornerbacks of the 2025 free agency period (not my list, I don't think Rasul should be on it, but whatever):

 

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1. D.J. Reed

Age: 28
2024 team: New York Jets
Average annual salary: $11 million
Status: signed by the Lions

 

2. Charvarius Ward

Age: 29
2024 team: San Francisco 49ers
Average annual salary: $13.5 million
Status: signed by the Colts

 

3. Darius Slay

Age: 34
2024 team: Philadelphia Eagles
Average annual salary: $13 million
Status: signed by the Steelers

 

4. Carlton Davis

Age: 29
2024 team: Detroit Lions
Average annual salary: $14.8 million
Status: signed by the Patriots

 

5. Byron Murphy

Age: 27
2024 team: Minnesota Vikings
Average annual salary: $7 million
Status: resigned with the Vikings

 

6. Rasul Douglas

Age: 31
2024 team: Buffalo Bills
Average annual salary: $3.5 million
Status: still a free agent

 

7. Stephon Gilmore

Age: 35
2024 team: Minnesota Vikings
Average annual salary: $7 million
Status: still a free agent

 

8. Jonathan Jones

Age: 32
2024 team: New England Patriots
Average annual salary: $9.5 million
Status: signed with the Commanders

 

9. Asante Samuel Jr.

Age: 26
2024 team: Los Angeles Chargers
Average annual salary: $1.8 million (PFF predicts a three-year deal $43.5 mil)
Status: still a free agent

 

10. Mike Hilton

Age: 31
2024 team: Cincinnati Bengals
Average annual salary: $6 million
Status: free agent (rumored for Titans)

 

 

Considering the above list, Beane stuck to his MO of letting the market come to him. He did not make a desperation signing above his budget. Who available would have been a better signing in the same price range as White? Give Beane a break.

[Mr. WEO]

17 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

So the two teams that paid him to come play for them post injury didn't see anything they liked but asked him to join the team anyway?  

 

After they saw what he actually did after the injuries while other rosters, they both let him go in the same year.

 

They asked him to leave, in other words...

[JerseyBills]

14 hours ago, Mister Defense said:

 

If someone had told me, or most Bills' fans, I think, that less than a week before the draft, the only additions to the cornerback room, on a team that had its worst performance in pass defense in recent memory, allowing opposing QBs to to complete 69% of their passes, 5th worst in the league, would be two castoffs, Dane Jackson and Tre White, I would have laughed and wondered what that person was "smoking in their pipe". 

 

No way would Beane go back to players like that to improve a pass defense in desperate need of speed, youth, and athleticism. This is not part of any good 'process'.

 

I am not a Beane basher at all, but very discouraging.  The draft will need to yield the Bills two high quality cornerbacks now, as the cupboard is almost bare--still.

 

With this, I am waiting to hear the next big news that Jordan Philips has been resigned, and Austin Johnson, and ol' Von too. They can turn Miller's home into a has been halfway house, where they can all live together.

 

 

 

 

Draft at least 2 , look what Philly did last year

[Maine-iac]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

After they saw what he actually did after the injuries while other rosters, they both let him go in the same year.

 

They asked him to leave, in other words...

Much like I've said all along.  He had a bad start in LA.  Played some really tough teams right back from injury and in a new defense.  He played fine with the Ravens.  They never asked him to leave.  They played him a majority of the snaps in the playoffs for that matter.  From a Ravens web site:

 

Down the stretch of the regular season and into the playoffs, White played regular snaps at cornerback and had a few notable pass breakups. More importantly, he generally did not give up big plays in the backend.

 

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2025/4/18/24410934/former-ravens-cb-tredavious-white-signs-one-year-deal-with-buffalo-bills-baltimore-cornerback

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

Much like I've said all along.  He had a bad start in LA.  Played some really tough teams right back from injury and in a new defense.  He played fine with the Ravens.  They never asked him to leave.  They played him a majority of the snaps in the playoffs for that matter.  From a Ravens web site:

 

Down the stretch of the regular season and into the playoffs, White played regular snaps at cornerback and had a few notable pass breakups. More importantly, he generally did not give up big plays in the backend.

 

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2025/4/18/24410934/former-ravens-cb-tredavious-white-signs-one-year-deal-with-buffalo-bills-baltimore-cornerback

 

 

 

A majority of snaps?  in the playoffs, he was in for 9 plays the first game and 33 in the second.  No passes defended, 1 tackle. 

 

If he was worth having, why wouldn't the Ravens just keep him?   In effect they said you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here...

[Maine-iac]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

A majority of snaps?  in the playoffs, he was in for 9 plays the first game and 33 in the second.  No passes defended, 1 tackle. 

 

If he was worth having, why wouldn't the Ravens just keep him?   In effect they said you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here...

 Maybe ........... just maybe they signed Awuzie for the veteran minimum and got a similar player for less money.  Maybe it had nothing to do with the Ravens "telling him to leave" and was simply they saved some cap space and White signed here.  

[Mr. WEO]

27 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

 Maybe ........... just maybe they signed Awuzie for the veteran minimum and got a similar player for less money.  Maybe it had nothing to do with the Ravens "telling him to leave" and was simply they saved some cap space and White signed here.  

 

Makes sense---why didn't Beane make a move like that?  

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Makes sense---why didn't Beane make a move like that?  

Because he’s trying to tank the franchise so your Patriots can take over the world.  Either that or he signed Tre to a contract with a low base with incentives.

[Rocky Landing]

I heard Tre White fell into an upholstery machine. Apparently, he’s fully recovered. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Tre has done it at the highest level.  He knows how to prepare for that level of performance, a level most NFL players never reach.  And he is not old.  Expecting peak Tre White is not reasonable, I admit.  Expecting valuable contribution as a bridge for a rookie starter is more than reasonable.  Tre will surprise - achilles take two years and he is an elite worker and competitor.  He also has tremendous pride and is a great teammate.  I don't understand any hesitancy to give the man a chance.  This is a very, very good signing.  

Edited Monday at 12:47 PM by MarlinTheMagician

[Dillenger4]

23 hours ago, boater said:

 

Look at the top ten cornerbacks of the 2025 free agency period (not my list, I don't think Rasul should be on it, but whatever):

 

 

Considering the above list, Beane stuck to his MO of letting the market come to him. He did not make a desperation signing above his budget. Who available would have been a better signing in the same price range as White? Give Beane a break.

And your response is exactly what the issue is. He let the market pass by and "come to him". He needed to go get the CB we require. Any of the top 5 would have been the answer. Settling for White is another consolation prize IMO. I really hope we draft CB with our first pick. Our DB's are weak right now. We will see in a few days.

[Buffalo4Life01]

20 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

And your response is exactly what the issue is. He let the market pass by and "come to him". He needed to go get the CB we require. Any of the top 5 would have been the answer. Settling for White is another consolation prize IMO. I really hope we draft CB with our first pick. Our DB's are weak right now. We will see in a few days.

I trust our FO to find solid talent in the middle rounds of the draft for CB if they choose not to take one in the 1st or 2nd rounds.  Besides, they can take cb's early all day long if they want to but until they get better upfront and consistently pressure the qb/sacks, it's not goin to matter how good the secondary is.  I'm still hoping they take the best DT available in round 1 and corner in the 2nd round.

GO Bills!!

[YattaOkasan]

On 4/19/2025 at 10:28 PM, Mister Defense said:

 

If someone had told me, or most Bills' fans, I think, that less than a week before the draft, the only additions to the cornerback room, on a team that had its worst performance in pass defense in recent memory, allowing opposing QBs to to complete 69% of their passes, 5th worst in the league, would be two castoffs, Dane Jackson and Tre White, I would have laughed and wondered what that person was "smoking in their pipe". 

 

No way would Beane go back to players like that to improve a pass defense in desperate need of speed, youth, and athleticism. This is not part of any good 'process'.

 

I am not a Beane basher at all, but very discouraging.  The draft will need to yield the Bills two high quality cornerbacks now, as the cupboard is almost bare--still.

 

With this, I am waiting to hear the next big news that Jordan Philips has been resigned, and Austin Johnson, and ol' Von too. They can turn Miller's home into a has been halfway house, where they can all live together.

 

 

 

 

Almost bare?!!! Benford and Johnson are both top 5-10 at their position.  I think were starting from a really good spot at this position, as opposed to safety (no top 10 players) and pass rush (no top 10 players).  Pass defense is more than just CBs and safeties def took a step back from previous years.  That seems like a better reason for why the team had poor pass defense rather than just saying we have nothing at CB.  

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:

I trust our FO to find solid talent in the middle rounds of the draft for CB if they choose not to take one in the 1st or 2nd rounds.  Besides, they can take cb's early all day long if they want to but until they get better upfront and consistently pressure the qb/sacks, it's not goin to matter how good the secondary is.  I'm still hoping they take the best DT available in round 1 and corner in the 2nd round.

GO Bills!!

 

I think what you say in your first line is what most concerns those with the Jackson and White signings--that it may indicate the Bills may actually think one of those two players may be the starting cornerback for the Bills next season!   That would be very risky, a huge roll of the dice, a crapshoot, that either is an NFL starting caliber player. No evidence that either can be anything more than a backup now.

 

And ditto  for them doing what they did with Benford, and somehow find a starting caliber corner in the later rounds, and developing him, relying on that.

 

The concern is that those scenarios likely mean the Bills do not improve much in the secondary next year--and may actually regress.  That would mean the high level offense would need to have an even better year than last year to make the Bills a contender.  Want to see Josh Allen  regress next year, for the first time?  Give him a defense that is even less dependable than last year's, so he needs to carry more of the weight on his shoulders. 

 

I don't believe almost any defensive coordinator would consider Jackson or White as starters in this league, and am hoping that the Bills do not either. A move like that  could undermine the entire team next season.  Tua looked better this year, and Drake May looks like the real deal. And that is just within the AFC East. 

 

The Bills need to do much better at corner than two also ran backups and a mid round pick to improve their pass defense, to take the next step as a team. Hoping  more for what you say in your last sentence, and also that the Bills may move up in the 2nd round to get a starting caliber CB. Then one more soon..

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 03:02 PM by Mister Defense