Return of the Tre! (Tre White signs with the Bills)

[aristocrat]

Guy is gonna look so good holding the Lombardi next year 

[stinky finger]

He was done 2 years ago. Whats changed?

[DJB]

 

[mikemac2001]

9 minutes ago, stinky finger said:

He was done 2 years ago. Whats changed?

Hes healthy and knows the scheme/team

Edited Friday at 11:52 AM by mikemac2001

[DJB]

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 11:59 AM by DJB

[Augie]

13 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

We can hope...definitely didn't look up to the task last year...

 

 

He was just starting to come back from the ACL when he tore the Achilles. Hopefully he’s just a slow healer, but gets back to form. 

[papazoid]

i'm sure the contract is loaded with incentives.

 

the key will be his health

 

his leadership in the DB room will be very helpful

 

i'm cheering for his comeback story

 

 

[Mr Info]

@DJB - appreciate the video posts of Tre’s game reviews over the past 1-2 years. I feel more optimistic than when I originally saw this post on the board.

[The Jokeman]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I assume the incentives falls under the "not likely to be earned" category making the contract look good for a former all pro.  Maybe the Bills brass said if you're the first man to walk on Mars your $2.5m salary will jump to $6.8m.

I'd assume it be based on playing time and accolades etc. 

[notpolian]

The positive thing about Tre White is he knows exactly what to do (scheme, position) and has good ball skills.  It's just a question of what his lower body is still capable of.  With the right contract structure this is a really good move IMO.

[ddaryl]

experienced depth...the question is will he be tried at S some at camp?....  I don't think it affects our draft at all.

[4merper4mer]

When was the memo about Tre White of all people being the new escape goat?  A 1.4M commitment to one of the best leaders the team has ever seen draws angst derision and mocking?  All the board GMs mad we didn’t get someone else without any specific names.  Maybe we should have got Surtain and a 7th for a 6th as long as he agreed to a pay cut.

 

Sheesh.

Edited Friday at 12:46 PM by 4merper4mer

[stinky finger]

43 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

Hes healthy and knows the scheme/team

We’ll see if he’s healthy. That aside, of course he knows the scheme. Can he be effective. I have serious doubts. 

14 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

experienced depth...the question is will he be tried at S some at camp?....  I don't think it affects our draft at all.

Agree - A CB is still needed. 

[JP51]

I dont think we are going to get a 25 year old Tre...  I also do not think we are going to get the Tre that the Rams got with him coming off an achilles... I think you get a guy that is healthier than he was that probably plays better and can do some things... Maybe he is used as a nickle , if the stars align maybe he is comeback player of the year and can be cb2 for a year...  I think he will be better than Elam... no matter what.  That said, this is a nice chunk of change for a best case cb2 or 3 with history of injuries and likely diminishing skills... but life is not without risk.. we shall see how it plays out... I do know that it is an up to thing, so maybe there is an out if he isnt what we are looking for... either way... nostalgia makes me happy to see him back... lets hope for the best. 

[4merper4mer]

10 minutes ago, stinky finger said:

We’ll see if he’s healthy. That aside, of course he knows the scheme. Can he be effective. I have serious doubts. 

 

If you had doubts I might be ok, but knowing you have serious doubts……

1 minute ago, JP51 said:

I dont think we are going to get a 25 year old Tre...  I also do not think we are going to get the Tre that the Rams got with him coming off an achilles... I think you get a guy that is healthier than he was that probably plays better and can do some things... Maybe he is used as a nickle , if the stars align maybe he is comeback player of the year and can be cb2 for a year...  I think he will be better than Elam... no matter what.  That said, this is a nice chunk of change for a best case cb2 or 3 with history of injuries and likely diminishing skills... but life is not without risk.. we shall see how it plays out... I do know that it is an up to thing, so maybe there is an out if he isnt what we are looking for... either way... nostalgia makes me happy to see him back... lets hope for the best. 

He only gets the “nice chunk of change” if he hits incentives.  That’s good news though,  this way everyone can complain now matter what.  It’s either: “terrible signing” or “sure he had a great year but that’s still too much money”.  Everybody wins.

[The Jokeman]

39 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

experienced depth...the question is will he be tried at S some at camp?....  I don't think it affects our draft at all.

I doubt he'd get moved to S but if he can play CB it would allow Cam Lewis to focus more on Safety and maybe let us add a CB in the draft to develop behind Tre/Jackson to be our new outside CB in 2025/2026. 

15 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I dont think we are going to get a 25 year old Tre...  I also do not think we are going to get the Tre that the Rams got with him coming off an achilles... I think you get a guy that is healthier than he was that probably plays better and can do some things... Maybe he is used as a nickle , if the stars align maybe he is comeback player of the year and can be cb2 for a year...  I think he will be better than Elam... no matter what.  That said, this is a nice chunk of change for a best case cb2 or 3 with history of injuries and likely diminishing skills... but life is not without risk.. we shall see how it plays out... I do know that it is an up to thing, so maybe there is an out if he isnt what we are looking for... either way... nostalgia makes me happy to see him back... lets hope for the best. 

If we can get anything better than we saw from Elam in the Chefs playoff game we've gotten better. Assuming that Tre or Jackson can play as well or better than Douglas last year too. 

Edited Friday at 01:03 PM by The Jokeman

[JP51]

13 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

If you had doubts I might be ok, but knowing you have serious doubts……

He only gets the “nice chunk of change” if he hits incentives.  That’s good news though,  this way everyone can complain now matter what.  It’s either: “terrible signing” or “sure he had a great year but that’s still too much money”.  Everybody wins.

Yes, I saw the up to thing and I didnt read what was guaranteed... so if he comes out in training camp and just cant do it then maybe there is an out there... which actually I would hope that we would have considered on a prove it/bail us out deal... 

[Augie]

1 hour ago, stinky finger said:

He was done 2 years ago. Whats changed?

 

Maybe he’s finally recovered from his torn ACL and Achilles?

 

He was just starting to look like himself after the ACL when he tore the Achilles. He was slow to come back, but he was getting there after knee surgery. Maybe he’s at the point where he fully trusts the Achilles again. It seems worth a shot to me. 

[Shaw66]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Wow that certainly complicates the draft plans. Now if we draft a CB early they don't necessarily have a clear path to start. I no longer have any clue what to expect next week.

I don't think it complicates much of anything.  I'm sure Beane and McDermott love Tre, but there is no sentimentality involved here. There's no question that they had very frank conversations with Tre about something that he already fully understands: nobody is going to give him anything.  Tre knows that he is not a long-term solution at any position on this team and that a younger, better player may come along at any time and move ahead of him, including a guy drafted next week.  

 

This is an upside, no downside signing, at least from a positional point of view.  If somehow he's now fully recovered and he's back to something like his old self, it's a homerun. If he's healthy but has lost a step, then he's a better version of Dane Jackson - a guy who knows the defense inside and out, a guy who can step it at any time, always be in position, always contributing to the team. If he's less than either of those and injuries have taken too great a toll, he'll be gone.  He'll understand, and he will thank the Bills for having given him the opportunity.  

 

And back to the homerun. If he can be what Benford is (which in my mind is very good but not quite what the younger Tre White was), then the Bills are really solid and versatile at corner.  That would be two good cover corners, two smart zone corners, two run-stopping tacklers.  That would allow the coaches to get more creative with their linebackers and safeties, just the way McDermott likes to play the game.  

1 hour ago, DJB said:

 

Last one against the Lions was pretty bad, but most of the others he was in pretty good position and played the receiver pretty well.  Clearly needed to clean some things up, but as we saw when he was with the Bills, he is almost always with his man and in position to make a play. That's what McDermott wants from his corners. 

[BananaB]

1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

So much bashing for this signing.  Tre was much better in Baltimore than LA.  He knows our system as well as anyone, who better to teach a rookie?

 

Is he a pro bowl,#1, top 10-15 CB any longer?  No, but he can be a solid contributer. He is an upgrade to what we had in Douglass last year and what was on our roster until he signed.  We will still take a CB in the draft so relax negative Nancy's. 

 
We let him and Dane go because we needed an upgrade. Now they are both back. How  is the team improving? Everyone thinks our ***** coach is some kind of DB genius, why the ***** can’t he find other talent with a bigger upside? Bringing back one was bad enough, now we have two. Move the ***** on. Bringing these vets back that no one else wants on cheap deals hasn’t gotten the Bills any further. Said numerous times this team is just treading water because staff is scared to try to do something different, and it continues

Edited Friday at 01:26 PM by BananaB