Return of the Tre! (Tre White signs with the Bills)

[ganesh]

If there is no big signing bonus attached to it, then it is ok.  He has to come to TC and prove that he belongs among the CBs...He is a truly Buffalo Bill.  Go Bills!!!

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, jahnyc said:

I guess Douglas will not be back.  Would have preferred Rasul.

 

Rasul was a liability last year.

[appoo]

2 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

I haven't read through this thread, but already see some uncomplimentary thoughts. Fair enough.

 

I am divorcing myself from wins and losses here to say I love Trey White and am thrilled he is back. He is an all-time favorite of mine, and the world is better when he is wearing our blue and red.

 

Disagree and toss your negative emojis at me all you want. I am a happier Bills fan this evening than I was this morning. FWIW, I was already happy this morning.

 

Yay Trey and go Bills!

at the very least, my 27 jersey is back in play

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Take nostalgia and emotion out of it.  It pry decreases the chance of us signing a better veteran (Gilmore, Samuel Jr., Douglas) after the draft if we fail to address CB in the draft.  The CB2 spot might be filled via mid season trade again.

I respect this opinion, however is there really a better veteran option that is realistic? Of the 3 you make mention directly:

 

1. Gilmore is better. Sure. But it takes two to make a deal. Does he ever want to be back in Buffalo? We saw how he acted when drafted here and how elated he was to leave. I don't think he would come back.

 

2. Samuel Jr has the neck and shoulder issues. How serious are those? Being a good young player like him is still available this later in FA...I'd guess that those that have access to his medicals don't see him as a wise investment. And he is not an eager tackler which makes him a poor fit. 

 

3. Douglas isn't better at this stage IMO. Same level as White was mid last season. I would say unless there was an injury hampering Douglas we don't know about, there may be more upside with White now being 2 years removed from serious injury as a bounce back candidate than Douglas who just seemed to forget how to play football at times. 

 

I still see the Bills grabbing a CB early. But now this move makes it less necessary to overreach for one that's a bad fit or may need some time to catch on. If it prevents another Elam situation...then that's money well spent in the grandee scheme of things. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

17 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

He better get 27 back 

He was also #16 (his Bday) and #18 in college.

 

Both currently available 

[Virgil]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I respect this opinion, however is there really a better veteran option that is realistic? Of the 3 you make mention directly:

 

1. Gilmore is better. Sure. But it takes two to make a deal. Does he ever want to be back in Buffalo? We saw how he acted when drafted here and how elated he was to leave. I don't think he would come back.

 

2. Samuel Jr has the neck and shoulder issues. How serious are those? Being a good young player like him is still available this later in FA...I'd guess that those that have access to his medicals don't see him as a wise investment. And he is not an eager tackler which makes him a poor fit. 

 

3. Douglas isn't better at this stage IMO. Same level as White was mid last season. I would say unless there was an injury hampering Douglas we don't know about, there may be more upside with White now being 2 years removed from serious injury as a bounce back candidate than Douglas who just seemed to forget how to play football at times. 

 

I still see the Bills grabbing a CB early. But now this move makes it less necessary to overreach for one that's a bad fit or may need some time to catch on. If it prevents another Elam situation...then that's money well spent in the grandee scheme of things. 

 

Doesn't matter.  Didn't you hear?   We are only drafting defensive linemen with all 10 picks.  The QB's won't be able to get the ball off

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Doesn't matter.  Didn't you hear?   We are only drafting defensive linemen with all 10 picks.  The QB's won't be able to get the ball off

I almost think that was the feeling last year only being WR. Everyone was sure we would get at least 2. Instead we came away with one that is so slow they had to upload his 40 footage using AOL. 

[TheWeatherMan]

This does not move the needle for me at all.  As much as we all love Tre, his best days are way behind him and he’s nothing more than a backup CB.  I pray I’m wrong and he someone returns to his all pro days.  

[NoName]

4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

The upside is a quality cheap backup who knows your system and is loved by the locker room. A guy who can mentor a young guy or two. His deal is likely between 3-4 million not including escalators 

I hope your right about the money.  What I'm unsure about is who is better at this stage of their career.  Tre or Douglas?

[BigAl2526]

I think this is a good move.  No, it doesn't negate the priority Buffalo needs to put on drafting a CB as early as possible (first or second round, hopefully.  But the fact that he has continued add time since his last major injury should lead to some physical improvement.  We know his skill set is a good match for the system Buffalo's defense plays., and he's as good a fit as anybody for the Bills locker room.

[Jistafan]

 Is the max 6.8 Mil on top of the 4Mill in dead cap space we owe him?

[gonzo1105]

32 minutes ago, NoName said:

I hope your right about the money.  What I'm unsure about is who is better at this stage of their career.  Tre or Douglas?

I highly doubt they have Tre a lot of base money 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

I could not hate this signing more.

 

I don't care if it's vet minimum + incentives to reach this "up to" 6.8m.

 

We cut him and ate dead cap TWO YEARS AGO because he was 100% cooked after (unfortunate) injuries. 

 

He was atrocious (borderline worst CB in the league) for the Rams last year before they benched him. They ultimately traded him to the Ravens for a 7th round pick swap. Essentially the lowest possible value you could trade a player for. He was awful for the Ravens (although he did slightly improve from worst CB in the league). 

 

This is reminiscent of bringing back Beasley/Brown in 2022, or AJ Klein in 2023, or Micah Hyde in 2024 because we're familiar with those guys. 

 

Re-signing guys who are 1000% cooked just because we're familiar with them is terrible roster building. 

 

 

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, In Summary said:

It will be difficult for fans to see such a good guy and fan favorite underperform.

It’s all about expectations. If you expect him to be Tre White of his first few years, you’ll be disappointed. But if you expect him to be a depth cb, who will be a great leader on the team, it’s going to be hard to be disappointed.

 

i will say this. He’s 2 years away from his last serious injury.  Obviously, he’s lost a lot but I won’t be shocked to see him at his best in a few years. McDermott gets the most out of d backs as any coach in the league. 
 

it’s also a one year deal so who really cares?

[transplantbillsfan]

This is awesome and I'm sure almost all the money or most of it is incentives based.

 

I don't want to read this thread for fear of negativity.

 

Great signing! We're still drafting a CB high

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

I could not hate this signing more.

 

I don't care if it's vet minimum + incentives to reach this "up to" 6.8m.

 

We cut him and ate dead cap TWO YEARS AGO because he was 100% cooked after (unfortunate) injuries. 

 

He was atrocious (borderline worst CB in the league) for the Rams last year before they benched him. They ultimately traded him to the Ravens for a 7th round pick swap. Essentially the lowest possible value you could trade a player for. He was awful for the Ravens (although he did slightly improve from worst CB in the league). 

 

This is reminiscent of bringing back Beasley/Brown in 2022, or AJ Klein in 2023, or Micah Hyde in 2024 because we're familiar with those guys. 

 

Re-signing guys who are 1000% cooked just because we're familiar with them is terrible roster building. 

 

 

 

 

Super negative but it’s valid. I would say that if you have to blindly trust the bills on one things, it’s them to get the most out of a defensive back. That is McDermott’s specialty. They aren’t going to have him out wide on top WRs but will probably use him in special role. 
 

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I respect this opinion, however is there really a better veteran option that is realistic? Of the 3 you make mention directly:

 

1. Gilmore is better. Sure. But it takes two to make a deal. Does he ever want to be back in Buffalo? We saw how he acted when drafted here and how elated he was to leave. I don't think he would come back.

 

2. Samuel Jr has the neck and shoulder issues. How serious are those? Being a good young player like him is still available this later in FA...I'd guess that those that have access to his medicals don't see him as a wise investment. And he is not an eager tackler which makes him a poor fit. 

 

3. Douglas isn't better at this stage IMO. Same level as White was mid last season. I would say unless there was an injury hampering Douglas we don't know about, there may be more upside with White now being 2 years removed from serious injury as a bounce back candidate than Douglas who just seemed to forget how to play football at times. 

 

I still see the Bills grabbing a CB early. But now this move makes it less necessary to overreach for one that's a bad fit or may need some time to catch on. If it prevents another Elam situation...then that's money well spent in the grandee scheme of things. 

Fans are still on Gilmore for not smiling at the draft??? 😬 he honestly would have been the perfect addition but he will get more money from some other team because he’s still pretty good. 

[transplantbillsfan]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Wow that certainly complicates the draft plans. Now if we draft a CB early they don't necessarily have a clear path to start. I no longer have any clue what to expect next week.

 

Did you really want us going into next week's draft in desperation mode for CB?

 

Remember 2022?

 

Besides, we're still in desperation mode at DT... but that's easier to fill.

 

I can see Beane increasing our uneasiness in the draft by drafting a CB early, but it'll be Revel or Morrison.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

He was bottom tier in the league against the run and pass just like Dane Jackson. I don't really understand this but i'll of course hope for the best, that's all we can do.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

I hope your right about the money.  What I'm unsure about is who is better at this stage of their career.  Tre or Douglas?

 

Neither was good last year. I'd say Baltimore Tre was probably better than Douglas but LA Tre was worse. 

 

Tre is one of my favourite ever Bills. I hope being back in familiar surroundings can revive him. It can happen. Darius Slay just had a roll back the years season after looking cooked in 2023. If the Bills are saying "we are fine at corner, we have Tre" then I don't like it. Otherwise I class it as a shot worth taking.

 

[MarlinTheMagician]

I called this months ago!  You can look it up.  If he stays healthy he is going to be good. I know he was bad in LA and mediocre in Baltimore. It is a two-year recovery from the achilles.  Maybe not exactly the old Tre, but a reasonable semblance thereof.  I pretty much guarantee it.  Use this post against me later if I’m wrong. I believe in Trey White. Great signing!