What Does "Due Process" Mean?

[The Frankish Reich]

10 minutes ago, LeviF said:

That said, I’d gladly pay $40 for a sandwich if it means I never have to see an alien again.

You do realize "alien" simply means "non-American citizen or national?" That it doesn't necessarily mean illegal border crosser, or dark person who speaks a language I do not recognize?  That you can't recognize who is an "alien" just by looking at them?

With that in mind, your quoted sentence does seem to reduce to "if I never have to see a nonwhite person again."

Edited Thursday at 04:41 PM by The Frankish Reich

[Pokebball]

44 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

The rich Republicans support it because it will allow them to take or buy up distressed assets from the middle class for pennies on the dollar enriching themselves further while making the rest of the country poorer.  And when you are poorer and figuring out how to live day to day, you don't have the energy to fight against oppressors...at least not for a long time.

I hate to burst your bubble, but this is about economic class, not which party one belongs to

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

I hate to burst your bubble, but this is about economic class, not which party one belongs to

 

That's true. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

36 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

When the rest of the world calls us "Dumb Americans", it's legitimate and for a reason.  Because it's mainly true.

I don't care much what the rest of the world calls us.  The simple reality is that those who suggest such things likely could not tell you who the Senate Majority Leader, Speaker of the House, or just about anything about our country beyond the President.  Most would struggle with VP, and have no idea how our judicial system works.  They couldn't tell you the proximity of Pensacola to Atlanta, the tax rate scale, our property or sales tax system, how our education system works, the proximity of Buffalo to Ontario, the distance between Buffalo and NYC, or just about anything else.  The couldn't tell you a thing about the impact on the psyche of people from WNY when employers like Bethlehem Steel folded up shop and the good people of WNY were left to deal with blight and the rusty skeleton of the plant that used to employ 20,000.  

 

On the other hand...why would they?  They have their own issues, their own imperfect laws and politicians to deal with, and their families often share similar stories to the ones described above.  Sure, they have opinions. Great. 

 

I liken it to walking down the street, hearing my neighbor yell their opinion out the window to me.  If my nice liberal widow friend down the street (who currently rocks a "We stand with Ukraine" on her front lawn and a "Don't Tread of Me" flag in her garage, which was kind of interesting to me) yells out that she likes my new haircut, or that she appreciated me removing  the very heavy snow off of her driveway when her snowblower failed a month back, great.  If she yells out she doesn't like the color of my front door, or the coat I have on, I guess I would just move on.  Hasn't happened yet, of course, because while people are very comfortable lobbing insults at others on a message board, in person, my experience is people can have disagreements on most things without being disagreeable.  

 

If you feel you need to bow your head to those in other countries, I can respect your right to that opinion.  

 

Edited Thursday at 04:55 PM by leh-nerd skin-erd

[LeviF]

@Big Turk @The Frankish Reich Feel free to post the racial breakdown of your census tract and then we'll have a conversation.

 

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/exploring-age-groups-in-the-2020-census.html

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don't care much what the rest of the world calls us.  The simple reality is that those who suggest such things likely could not tell you who the Senate Majority Leader, Speaker of the House, or just about anything about our country beyond the President.  Most would struggle with VP, and have no idea how are judicial system works.  They couldn't tell you the proximity of Pensacola to Atlanta, the tax rate scale, our property or sales tax system, how our education system works, the proximity of Buffalo to Ontario, the distance between Buffalo and NYC, or just about anything else.  The couldn't tell you a thing about the impact on the psyche of people from WNY when employers like Bethlehem Steel folded up shop and the good people of WNY were left to deal with blight and the rusty skeleton of the plant that used to employ 20,000.  

 

On the other hand...why would they?  They have their own issues, their own imperfect laws and politicians to deal with, and their families often share similar stories to the ones described above.  Sure, they have opinions. Great. 

 

I liken it to walking down the street, hearing my neighbor yell their opinion out the window to me.  If my nice liberal widow friend down the street (who currently rocks a "We stand with Ukraine" on her front lawn and a "Don't Tread of Me Flag" in her garage, which was kind of interesting to me) yells out that she likes my new haircut, or that she appreciated me removing  the very heavy snow off of her driveway when her snowblower failed a month back), great.  If she yells out she doesn't like the color of my front door, or the coat I have on, I guess I would just move on.  Hasn't happened yet, of course, because while people are very comfortable lobbing insults at others on a message board, in person, my experience is people can have disagreements on most things without being disagreeable.  

 

If you feel you need to bow your head to those in other countries, I can respect your right to that opinion.  

 

no one is calling for Americans to bow their heads to other countries.  It's not either or.  We need countries with common interests to trust and respect us .  Without that, we are on our own.  That sounds good to MAGA's until they find out how much things will cost and what they'll have to do without when the full effects of isolationism come to fruition.  That will be soon.  And I suppose many MAGAs have never nor will ever travel internationally for pleasure.  For those that do, it's going to become less pleasurable.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

And I suppose many MAGAs have never nor will ever travel internationally for pleasure.

The stats bear that out. Lowest percentage of passport holders by state. Notice a pattern?

 

Mississippi: Less than 20% of residents have passports.

West Virginia: Around 20.7% of residents have passports.

Kentucky: Around 29% of residents have passports.

Alabama: Around 27.7% of residents have passports.

Arkansas: Around 28.4% of residents have passports. 

[Pokebball]

40 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

When the rest of the world calls us "Dumb Americans", it's legitimate and for a reason.  Because it's mainly true.

Reminds of something Senator Al Simpson from my great State of Wyoming once said (while in quotes, it might not be exact), "we have two parties in America, one is stupid and one is evil. I belong to the stupid party".

[Joe Ferguson forever]

34 minutes ago, LeviF said:

I’m surprised you haven’t retired from posting coal yet since you should be a bazillionaire from crypto by now. 
 

That said, I’d gladly pay $40 for a sandwich if it means I never have to see an alien again. 

where did the mean dark man touch you?

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, LeviF said:

@Big Turk @The Frankish Reich Feel free to post the racial breakdown of your census tract and then we'll have a conversation.

 

https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/exploring-age-groups-in-the-2020-census.html

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, other than that once again you seem to be conflated race with alienage.

 

I live in the (relatively) poorer part of an expensive neighborhood. My wife and I sometimes go to the annual neighborhood summer party because it rotates between the truly rich peoples' homes and we get to see how they live. (We'd never be invited except for this neighborhood-wide events.) Guess what? I see lots of foreigners there. "Aliens" because they weren't born here and as far as I know they're not citizens. On one occasion a particular rich douchebag walked across the street carrying his own ostentatious wine glass filled with his own ostentatious wine because, I guess, the wine served by the richie rich host family just wasn't good enough for him. He made a ton of money by selling his Europe-based tech company. He was a foreigner. And I didn't even know that until I talked to him. I thought he was an ordinary American rich douchebag.

 

I guess your foreigner radar is better.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

Even More at the link:  https://x.com/alexthechick/status/1912845597133963476

 

[LeviF]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, other than that once again you seem to be conflated race with alienage.

You insist I simply never want to see brown people again. I’m simply asking you to put your money where your mouth is. Sounds like you pay a premium for whatever reason. Wonder what that might be. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, LeviF said:

You insist I simply never want to see brown people again. I’m simply asking you to put your money where your mouth is. Sounds like you pay a premium for whatever reason. Wonder what that might be. 

youjust said you're ok with a $40 sandwich...

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

Even More at the link:  https://x.com/alexthechick/status/1912845597133963476

 

This is a bit confused, but maybe that's because it's one of those awful Twitter threads.

But she's right: the law provides due process even to someone who has bypassed normal entry procedures. And she's also right that rather than having the (Republican) Congress amend certain due process protections, Trump is cynically (by using inapplicable "national emergency" exceptions) trying to do an end run around them to basically render them superfluous.

That's what's illegal here.

[LeviF]

Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said:

youjust said you're ok with a $40 sandwich...

 

What about you, doc? Retiring to the inner city for the vibrancy?

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, LeviF said:

You insist I simply never want to see brown people again. I’m simply asking you to put your money where your mouth is. Sounds like you pay a premium for whatever reason. Wonder what that might be. 

So you're equally offended by native-born black/brown people and foreign black/brown people.

Go pat yourself on the back. An equal opportunity racist.

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

So you're equally offended by native-born black/brown people and foreign black/brown people.

Go pat yourself on the back. An equal opportunity racist.

 

It's the internet racism club. "We don't care what race you are, so long as you're racist!" ™️

 

Welcome aboard, by the way. My census tract test is undefeated so don't feel bad.

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, LeviF said:

It's the internet racism club. "We don't care what race you are, so long as you're racist!" ™️

I have no idea what this means.

Sometimes people call other people "racist" on slim evidence.

Sometimes they call them racist because they are unabashed racists.

 

(As far as I can tell, you are a Club of One on this forum. I take some solace in that.)

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

What about you, doc? Retiring to the inner city for the vibrancy?

Nope.  I like wide open spaces and plenty of room. Is someone or something forcing you to live inner city?

[Big Turk]

20 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

Even More at the link:  https://x.com/alexthechick/status/1912845597133963476

 

 

There is no argument. It's pretty crystal clear.

 

the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly it doesn't matter if they are from El Salvador, Mexico, East Jahunga, The Moon, Mars or Venus. Once they are in the US, lawfully or not, they are considered a "person" under the Constitution and are afforded the same Due Process that anyone else, including American Citizens, have.  

 

You may not like or it agree with it, but that's what the Constitution says and how the Supreme Court has interpreted it---more than once.

 

Edited Thursday at 05:28 PM by Big Turk