What Does "Due Process" Mean?

[Roundybout]

27 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

See, this is a slippery slope.  
 

 

Ban just the scary guns….
 

Making you bake the cake, they just want to love…..

 

Absolutely no slippery slope in those scenarios.  

You’re comparing sending a man to a death camp with no hearing or due process to the stupid gay cake from a decade ago?

 

Starting to put the pieces together on what goes on in your noggin

3 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

Well this is ominous 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I understand you are situationally outraged (currently on a 4 years on/4 years off cycle), but I'm not sure why you're attacking me here when we agree.  

 

As for how people think of me, here's your guy, skipping death camps and going right to incinerating a family of 10.  Your response...Give me more Joe!

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/29/asia/afghanistan-kabul-evacuation-intl/index.html

 

Ten members of one family – including seven children – are dead after a US drone strike targeting a vehicle in a residential neighborhood of Kabul, a relative of the dead told CNN.

The US carried out what it called a defensive airstrike in Kabul, targeting a suspected ISIS-K suicide bomber who posed an “imminent” threat to the airport, US Central Command said Sunday.

The Pentagon has said the strike resulted in secondary explosions, and those explosions may have been what killed the civilians.

The youngest victims of Sunday’s airstrike were two 2-year-old girls, according to family members.

The president of the United States sent a person away to a death camp. 

 

 

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

The president of the United States sent a person away to a death camp. 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

"Due process" is a constitutional guarantee that protects individuals from arbitrary or unfair treatment by the government. It appears in both the Fifth Amendment (applying to the federal government) and the Fourteenth Amendment (applying to state governments), and it essentially ensures that the government must follow fair procedures before depriving a person of life, liberty, or property.

 

There are two types of due process:

Procedural due process – requires fair and proper legal procedures (e.g., notice and a hearing) before the government can take away someone's rights.

 

Substantive due process – protects certain fundamental rights from government interference, even if procedures are followed.

 

Are illegal immigrants guaranteed due process?

 

Yes, illegal (or undocumented) immigrants are guaranteed due process under the U.S. Constitution.

This has been upheld in multiple Supreme Court cases. One key ruling is Zadvydas v. Davis (2001), where the Court stated that "once an alien enters the country, the legal circumstance changes, and they are entitled to due process protections, even if their presence is unlawful."

 

Another important case is Plyler v. Doe (1982), where the Court struck down a Texas law that denied public education funding for children of undocumented immigrants. The Court reaffirmed that the protections of the Fourteenth Amendment apply to all “persons” — not just citizens or lawful residents.

 

So, even if someone has "no basis to be here," once they are physically present in the U.S., they are still considered a “person” under the Constitution, and they must be treated fairly under the law — which includes due process protections in immigration proceedings, such as hearings before a judge and the right to appeal.

 

don't waste your time.  know who they are  

 

According to a February study by the Pew Research Center, 32 percent of Americans believe a military regime or authoritarian leader (described as a strong leader who can make decisions without interference from parliament or the courts) would be a good way of governing the country. A PRRI study last October found that 38 percent of Americans (and 48 percent of Republicans, 38 percent of independents, and 29 percent of Democrats) think the country needs a leader who will “break some rules if that’s what it takes to set things right.”

 

This 32 percent is over represented on this board.  They lose if they try to play by the rules so they're all in for ignoring them.

Edited Thursday at 03:15 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

4 minutes ago, LeviF said:

 

Your bloody ass must be loving this.  

[Joe Ferguson forever]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mayor-mitchell-ice-sent-bedford-080346114.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

 

Is the guy with the axe the same guy as here?:

https://www.splcenter.org/resources/extremist-files/veterans-patrol/

 

trump may have called up the brownshirts.  It was bound to happen...

Edited Thursday at 03:23 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[Big Blitz]

Report is FBI told TSP to let them go.  
 

Guaranteed the administration knew this and among every other thing they have on this guy is why he was set to be deported.   

 

If we need a special procedure that will take 10 minutes to confirm it’s ok to do so by SCOTUS, someone explain to me how that doesn’t happen to every other POS they deport?  

Specifically the ones among the millions Biden let in and gave via an EO special protected status as fake asylum seekers.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

13 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

The president of the United States sent a person away to a death camp. 

 

 

As I said, you're outraged at times, others, not so much.  It's your emotional cycle. 

 

 

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

don't waste your time.  know who they are  

 

According to a February study by the Pew Research Center, 32 percent of Americans believe a military regime or authoritarian leader (described as a strong leader who can make decisions without interference from parliament or the courts) would be a good way of governing the country. A PRRI study last October found that 38 percent of Americans (and 48 percent of Republicans, 38 percent of independents, and 29 percent of Democrats) think the country needs a leader who will “break some rules if that’s what it takes to set things right.”

 

This 32 percent is over represented on this board.  They lose if they try to play by the rules so they're all in for ignoring them.

 

Yes, but when it starts being THEIR rights that are infringed on, let's see how they cry.  This is the reason why you never allow this stuff to happen because it becomes a slippery slope...at first it's illegal immigrants, then it's political opponents, then it's anyone who doesn't kiss the POTUS's ass and say he is the best thing since sliced bread. 

 

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Once you are allowed to take away due process for ANYONE, it isn't a big reach to take away due process for EVERYONE.

Edited Thursday at 03:31 PM by Big Turk

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

20 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

As I said, you're outraged at times, others, not so much.  It's your emotional cycle. 

 

 

You really are just a POS. You are a real nothing hiding in a crowd of sh itheads 

 

Don't ever forget that you are a POS, ok? 

25 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Report is FBI told TSP to let them go.  
 

Guaranteed the administration knew this and among every other thing they have on this guy is why he was set to be deported.   

 

If we need a special procedure that will take 10 minutes to confirm it’s ok to do so by SCOTUS, someone explain to me how that doesn’t happen to every other POS they deport?  

Specifically the ones among the millions Biden let in and gave via an EO special protected status as fake asylum seekers.  

Even if true, he gets sent to a death camp for that? 

 

MAGA is a evil movement, pure and simple 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

16 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yes, but when it starts being THEIR rights that are infringed on, let's see how they cry.  This is the reason why you never allow this stuff to happen because it becomes a slippery slope...at first it's illegal immigrants, then it's political opponents, then it's anyone who doesn't kiss the POTUS's ass and say he is the best thing since sliced bread. 

 

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Once you are allowed to take away due process for ANYONE, it isn't a big reach to take away due process for EVERYONE.

"...then it's political opponents..." ?  

 

One of the reasons Trump was re-elected (maybe the main reason) was because of the widely held belief the Biden DOJ (and the democrats generally before that) did exactly what it is you fear.   That ship sailed a long time ago. 

 

 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

"...then it's political opponents..." ?  

 

One of the reasons Trump was re-elected (maybe the main reason) was because of the widely held belief the Biden DOJ (and the democrats generally before that) did exactly what it is you fear.   That ship sailed a long time ago. 

 

 

 

When you try and instigate a soft coup then pretend it never happened, you deserve anything you get. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

20 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Yes, but when it starts being THEIR rights that are infringed on, let's see how they cry.  This is the reason why you never allow this stuff to happen because it becomes a slippery slope...at first it's illegal immigrants, then it's political opponents, then it's anyone who doesn't kiss the POTUS's ass and say he is the best thing since sliced bread. 

 

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Once you are allowed to take away due process for ANYONE, it isn't a big reach to take away due process for EVERYONE.

All very true.  But 1/3 of the country and 1/2 "Republicans" support authoritarianism.  They don't have the smarts to look down the road and see what that might mean for THEM.  Their reality of their lives is often so far removed from ours that we don't understand the desperation needed for them to end up here..  I don't know what the answer is.  Perhaps dividing the country up due to irreconcilable differences.  I know which side will be more prosperous...

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

You really are just a POS. You are a real nothing hiding in a crowd of sh itheads 

 

Don't ever forget that you are a POS, ok?  

You're upset because I agree with you.  This is more evidence that you're in the midst of a significant emotional cycle.  

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

All very true.  But 1/3 of the country and 1/2 "Republicans" support authoritarianism.  They don't have the smarts to look down the road and see what that might mean for THEM.  Their reality of their lives is often so far removed from ours that we don't understand the desperation needed for them to end up here..  I don't know what the answer is.  Perhaps dividing the country up due to irreconcilable differences.  I know which side will be more prosperous...

 

The rich Republicans support it because it will allow them to take or buy up distressed assets from the middle class for pennies on the dollar enriching themselves further while making the rest of the country poorer.  And when you are poorer and figuring out how to live day to day, you don't have the energy to fight against oppressors...at least not for a long time.

Edited Thursday at 03:56 PM by Big Turk

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

When you try and instigate a soft coup then pretend it never happened, you deserve anything you get. 

I agree with you. Thank goodness people saw through it and voted accordingly. 

[LeviF]

56 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said:

Your bloody ass must be loving this.  

I’ll love it when we start averaging 25,000 deportations a day. 

[Big Turk]

21 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I agree with you. Thank goodness people saw through it and voted accordingly. 

 

When the rest of the world calls us "Dumb Americans", it's legitimate and for a reason.  Because it's mainly true.

3 minutes ago, LeviF said:

I’ll love it when we start averaging 25,000 deportations a day. 

 

Won't love it when food, restaurant and hotel prices go thru the roof tho.  And if you think they have increased "a lot"...just wait, you haven't seen anything yet.

Edited Thursday at 04:20 PM by Big Turk

[LeviF]

8 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

When the rest of the world calls us "Dumb Americans", it's legitimate and for a reason.  Because it's mainly true.

 

Won't love it when food, restaurant and hotel prices go thru the roof tho.  And if you think they have increased "a lot"...just wait, you haven't seen anything yet.

I’m surprised you haven’t retired from posting coal yet since you should be a bazillionaire from crypto by now. 
 

That said, I’d gladly pay $40 for a sandwich if it means I never have to see an alien again. 

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, LeviF said:

I’m surprised you haven’t retired from posting coal yet since you should be a bazillionaire from crypto by now. 
 

That said, I’d gladly pay $40 for a sandwich if it means I never have to see an alien again. 

 

You probably think anyone who isn't white is an alien.