Miami Herald: Dolphins players have turned on McDaniel

[billsfan89]

Jets are tearing it all down and have no direction at QB. Fins are heading for an implosion and are already in a tough cap situation. Two divisional rivals that are not likely doing too well. The Pats could also still be a year away and if Maye isn't the guy or isn't quite good enough then it's looking like a few more years of dominance in the division. 

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yeah McDaniel has a lot of smoke and mirrors.. but the substance behind it isn't that strong

 

McVay definitely has a lot of window dressing but his core philosophy is stronger... He has a strong will to running the football.. and play complimentary 

 

Which magnifies all of the window dressing... With McDaniel you know it's smoke... You don't even need to take the cheese... But McVay has a better game plan around his window dressing

stafford vs tua is at least a large portion of that 

[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

stafford vs tua is at least a large portion of that 

For sure for sure

 

I think Stafford is definitely better in his entire career.. how much better do you think Matt Stafford is right now compared to 27-year-old tua?

 

Is he much better? A little bit better? Or is the gap closing or widening in your opinion 

 

 I think Stafford is certainly the better quarterback without a doubt... But for how many more years can he be effective with all his miles and balls thrown 

 

To me tuas fragility is his biggest question mark.. I think he actually does have NFL talent with his processing and accuracy and good enough arm strength 

 

The problem is what my old college coach used to tell me.. that football is a grown man's game, and tua might be tough as nails coming back from those injuries.. but sometimes you can be too tough for your own health

 

 he's also been pretty brittle... I can't remember the last starting quarterback who had as many question marks for durability going back to college 

 

I think the dolphins are stuck in mediocrity with him

Edited Friday at 03:46 AM by Buffalo716

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

For sure for sure

 

I think Stafford is definitely better in his entire career.. how much better do you think Matt Stafford is right now compared to 27-year-old tua?

 

Is he much better? A little bit better? Or is the gap closing or widening in your opinion 

 

 I think Stafford is certainly the better quarterback without a doubt... But for how many more years can he be effective with all his miles and balls thrown 

 

To me tuas fragility is his biggest question mark.. I think he actually does have NFL talent with his processing and accuracy and good enough arm strength 

 

The problem is what my old college coach used to tell me.. that football is a grown man's game, and tua might be tough as nails coming back from those injuries.. but sometimes you can be too tough for your own health

 

 he's also been pretty brittle... I can't remember the last starting quarterback who had as many question marks for durability going back to college 

 

I think the dolphins are stuck in mediocrity with him

well, inherently it’s Stafford vs tua and a cast of mediocre backups 

 

I think when he has tua the gap in quality of his scheme’s performance closes - though I do think Stafford is much better than usually given credit for when ranking QBs 

 

I like mcvay more but also think it’s no coincidence he got the ring with the best qb in that group of coaches 

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

well, inherently it’s Stafford vs tua and a cast of mediocre backups 

 

I think when he has tua the gap in quality of his scheme’s performance closes - though I do think Stafford is much better than usually given credit for when ranking QBs 

 

I like mcvay more but also think it’s no coincidence he got the ring with the best qb in that group of coaches 

The Shanny tree may be single-handedly holding back the QB market.

 

Guys like Tua, Darnold, Purdy, all had close to “reset the market” numbers and none of them did due to the scheme/talent getting more credit than them lol..

[Fleezoid]

20 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I spit out my tea

 

Back to the premise of the thread.. I hope they keep McDaniel because I think he's decent enough to keep them from a top five pick... But I don't think he's good enough to consistently win in the AFC East 

 

Especially with the bills and a New England team that is getting better 

 

I don't think he's anywhere near a top 10 NFL coach

 

Completely agree. McDaniel is a good offensive strategist, but I don't think he can effectively motivate his players, especially when games are need late in the season. Much of the reason, they often collapse.

 

The other issue with McDaniel is...he has a Tua problem. He has to design plays that protect Tua to the maximum extent possible. I believe the reason Tua got hurt against Hamlin, is he got brave. He went a full year without an injury, and then bam. It'll happen again. It's just a matter of time. 

Edited Friday at 03:02 PM by Fleezoid

[Sierra Foothills]

30 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

The other issue with McDaniel is...he has a Tua problem. He has to design plays that protect Tua to the maximum extent possible. I believe the reason Tua got hurt against Hamlin, is he got brave. He went a full year without an injury, and then bam. It'll happen again. It's just a matter of time. 

 

I'm not convinced Tua has the sense to protect himself.

 

This play happened last November AFTER all the drama about him returning to football.

 

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

For sure for sure

 

I think Stafford is definitely better in his entire career.. how much better do you think Matt Stafford is right now compared to 27-year-old tua?

 

Is he much better? A little bit better? Or is the gap closing or widening in your opinion 

 

 I think Stafford is certainly the better quarterback without a doubt... But for how many more years can he be effective with all his miles and balls thrown 

 

To me tuas fragility is his biggest question mark.. I think he actually does have NFL talent with his processing and accuracy and good enough arm strength 

 

The problem is what my old college coach used to tell me.. that football is a grown man's game, and tua might be tough as nails coming back from those injuries.. but sometimes you can be too tough for your own health

 

 he's also been pretty brittle... I can't remember the last starting quarterback who had as many question marks for durability going back to college 

 

I think the dolphins are stuck in mediocrity with him

Yeah Tua is good. You don't lead the league in passing if you are bad at football. My hangup with Tua is how much can he go off script (which is needed in the playoffs) to win big games. Consistently, Tua hasn't been able to do that and thats why they are more likely to be one and done, than going to a Super Bowl.

[SirAndrew]

On 4/16/2025 at 12:48 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

Losing will do that to you.

 

But let's not go with the old "not a leader of men" crap.

 

Was mumbling, irritable Belichick a "leader of men?" Is introverted McDermott a leader of men? Siriani wasn't a leader of men until suddenly he was.

 

I'm a Denver Nuggets NBA fan. They loved coach Mike Malone, an abrasive guy who got the best out of them. Until this year, when he became an abrasive guy they no longer wanted to play for. It happens. Familiarity breeds contempt. The Bills next coach will be a loudmouth extrovert, just as Rex Ryan begat Sean McDermott. That's why coaches don't often last long.

Absolutely, it’s like people forget the average NFL player is twenty something. I don’t see many NFL coaches who fit my definition for “leader of men”. I’m also aware that old school definition isn’t what you get these days with that generation of players. Belichick is a great example. There’s nothing about him that would make me respect him as a leader, but I’d respect his football knowledge. I think that’s what matters these days. 

[Doc]

When 2 of your 3 biggest names want out, you know you're in trouble.