Miami Herald: Dolphins players have turned on McDaniel

[chris heff]

23 hours ago, Gregg said:

Maybe they will bring back Adam Gase.

 

 

How did he ever get a head coaching gig, much less two ?

[Mat68]

Seemed inevitable with how fast Fangio wanted out.  Respected football guy who thought the operation was a joke and the they were soft.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 hours ago, Doc said:

 

I don't know.  His offenses seem to be smoke and mirrors.

 

They also seem to only play well at home - which means his offense doesn't work as well without the pre-snap motion and timing that you get by controlling the snap count.  That and the inability to ever beat playoff-bound teams is probably going to be the downfall.  

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm pretty sure he didn't quote you 

 

And I haven't been in this thread for 15 hours

I’m pretty sure I didn’t quote you.

 

Lighten up Francis

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Seemed inevitable with how fast Fangio wanted out.  Respected football guy who thought the operation was a joke and the they were soft.  

 

Losing Wilkins and Hunt last year was just.. brutal.  Toughest two guys on your already soft team are gone and not replaced.  

[JohnNord]

On 4/15/2025 at 4:25 PM, Low Positive said:

I love to pile on the Fins as much as anyone, but that story is hot-take clickbait. The only facts presented are Ramsay's trade request, a few FA departures, and Tua's radio silence. But players leave in FA from every team including the Chiefs and Eagles and players have no media obligation between the end of the season and mini camp. The only thing out of the ordinary is Jalen Ramsay's trade demands, and that speaks more to Ramsay's team-hopping tendencies than anything about the Dolphins. Perhaps Mike McDaniel has lost that locker room, but Omar Kelly presents no information that could confirm or deny that. 

Agreed… Omar had no sources that were saying this and was just speculating based on the Hill/Ramsey situations.   There’s probably good reason - you don’t get rid of your best player on offense and defense in one season.
 

I’ll say this - Omar has some very good connections with Dolphins players and their agents.  So I wouldn’t be shocked if there was some truth in his premise.   The extent though we don’t know 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 4/15/2025 at 3:30 PM, Logic said:

I've said it numerous times on this forum:

I believe that Mike McDaniel is a sharp offensive mind and probably can have a long career in this league as an offensive coordinator.

I do not believe he is a leader of men or is head coach material.

His schtick was fun and funny when the Dolphins were winning, but as things have slowly and consistently gone south, his charm has begun to wear off with players and fans, and I don't think he's long for the job. I think he's the offensive whiz kid version of Rex Ryan.

In my own mind, I operate on the assumption that Mike McDaniel will not be the head coach of the Miami Dolphins beyond 2025 or, at the latest, 2026. 

I won’t bother responding. This sums up my feelings perfectly 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, JP51 said:

I cannot see NYC (either Giants or Jets, especially the Jets) embracing a QB with a personality type like this when this QB in my opinion is going to take a couple years to develop and even then I am unsure if he is a franchise guy.... I think they will devour him like a black widow does their mate... just my opinion.

 

agreed. he's simply not his own man

[Sierra Foothills]

On the subject of Shedeur, his blue chip teammate seems to share the ability to say stupid things, with his recent warning that he doesn’t want to play for any team that won’t let him play both ways.

 

[jlgarsh]

On 4/15/2025 at 3:32 PM, Gregg said:

Maybe they will bring back Adam Gase.

 

 

Peyton Manning made him millions of dollars. Better be on his Christmas card list for life.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 4/15/2025 at 6:35 PM, ticketssince61 said:

Never been a fan of McDaniel - but after just reading this article which highlights the adversity he overcame and his persistence, hard not to respect him

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39280819/mike-mcdaniel-miami-dolphins

Interesting stuff … I’ve always been fan of Dan Soder - I won’t hold his lifelong friendship with MMD against him 😂

[MarlinTheMagician]

Really dislike McDaniel.  He may have gone through a lot a long time ago, but he thinks he is on the Revenge of the Nerds tour and now too cool for school.  You don't have to be a great player in college to have the respect of your team.  But respect still has to be earned, and you don't earn it with a Joe Cool, gold-rimmed glasses, I am smarter than you are act.  He over emotes in a smarmy way.  

[mannc]

2 hours ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Really dislike McDaniel.  He may have gone through a lot a long time ago, but he thinks he is on the Revenge of the Nerds tour and now too cool for school.  You don't have to be a great player in college to have the respect of your team.  But respect still has to be earned, and you don't earn it with a Joe Cool, gold-rimmed glasses, I am smarter than you are act.  He over emotes in a smarmy way.  

Well, he’s going to be unemployed this time next year, but he’s been gifted tens of millions of dollars into the future by Steven Ross, so he won’t have to work again if he doesn’t want to…

[frostbitmic]

This is so sad.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

59 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

This is so sad.

On so many levels...😁

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I give you credit. You’ve worked harder on this take than McDaniel did to walk on at Yale. 

I spit out my tea

 

Back to the premise of the thread.. I hope they keep McDaniel because I think he's decent enough to keep them from a top five pick... But I don't think he's good enough to consistently win in the AFC East 

 

Especially with the bills and a New England team that is getting better 

 

I don't think he's anywhere near a top 10 NFL coach

Edited Thursday at 06:56 PM by Buffalo716

[corta765]

On 4/15/2025 at 4:07 PM, Logic said:

You may be right. 

I DO feel like the whiz kid OCs that always get touted as the most creative minds in the league tend to just put a lot of window dressing on otherwise classic/basic schemes.

Like...Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan both dress the same group of plays up to look like different things. They can run the same few basic zone run concepts -- and the passing plays that are based off of those concepts -- out of multiple different formations or personnel groupings, but at the end of the day, they're not different concepts than what a lot of other teams run. It's the window dressing and variety that they couch those concepts in that make them unique and hard to defend.

In McDaniel's case, I think it's the pre-snap shifts and cheat motions that dress up his scheme. I DO think his scheme has been easier to catch up to and stop than the other two guys I just mentioned, and he hasn't really thrown many effective counter punches as yet. He hasn't adapted.

So perhaps even the "long time OC in this league" forecast is generous. Or perhaps he adapts and grows.

 

 

McVay & Shanny though are a league of their own. They both have had far more success and their window dressing has evolved over the years whereas some of the others like McDaniel's haven't.

 

McVay I actually think is the best of all of them as he has won big with two different QBs now and turned the roster over multiple times. Shannys failures in the big games are a real mark despite the fact he is a really good mind and had similar winning.

 

But they are the exception to the rule and I think many of their coaches who move on are lesser minds that try to do the same but just don't have the same chops.

Edited Thursday at 08:10 PM by corta765

[DrDawkinstein]

24 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

McVay & Shanny though are a league of their own. They both have had far more success and their window dressing has evolved over the years whereas some of the others like McDaniel's haven't.

 

McVay I actually think is the best of all of them as he has won big with two different QBs now and turned the roster over multiple times. Shannys failures in the big games are a real mark despite the fact he is a really good mind and had similar winning.

 

But they are the exception to the rule and I think many of their coaches who move on are lesser minds that try to do the same but just don't have the same chops.

 

I'm on the verge of adding Kevin O'Connell to the good list too

[Buffalo716]

28 minutes ago, corta765 said:

 

McVay & Shanny though are a league of their own. They both have had far more success and their window dressing has evolved over the years whereas some of the others like McDaniel's haven't.

 

McVay I actually think is the best of all of them as he has won big with two different QBs now and turned the roster over multiple times. Shannys failures in the big games are a real mark despite the fact he is a really good mind and had similar winning.

 

But they are the exception to the rule and I think many of their coaches who move on are lesser minds that try to do the same but just don't have the same chops.

Yeah McDaniel has a lot of smoke and mirrors.. but the substance behind it isn't that strong

 

McVay definitely has a lot of window dressing but his core philosophy is stronger... He has a strong will to running the football.. and play complimentary 

 

Which magnifies all of the window dressing... With McDaniel you know it's smoke... You don't even need to take the cheese... But McVay has a better game plan around his window dressing

[C.Biscuit97]

These stories are so dumb. They had a terrible season. Of course, they blame the coach. 2 years ago, he hired Fangio, who the players ended up hating. Well, they look pretty dumb. 
 

I do agree that being a players coach can blow up in your face if you aren’t holding everyone accountable. But it all comes down to wins and losses. He is a very good offensive coach and I believe he gets the most out of their offensive talent. Miami has some major problems but he would be hired in a second as an OC and eventually get another head coaching job.