Miami Herald: Dolphins players have turned on McDaniel

[Mr. WEO]

10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Oh for sure, agreed all the way. I'm just going off the recent report that the Giants are holding private workouts for Sanders and other QBs, and they obviously need a new QB (whether or not there is a good candidate in this draft).

 

Thinking strategically, if they do draft a QB at #3 then that means Schoen/Daboll have owner permission to draft a QB, and if they have that buy-in from the owner it might indicate that Mara is willing to give them more time in order to develop said QB.

 

Not saying there they should draft a QB, or that there is a good one to draft.

 

wrt to the QB room, I think it's a weird room personality-wise. Wilson with his overly-groomed "public persona", and Winston just a weirdo in general out there licking his fingers trying to "eat a W"... then throw in a Shadeur Sanders... would love to have the Hard Knocks footage from that room.

 

 

Youmleft out Tommy Cutlets---the only QB popular with the fans.

 

Can you image the prospect of dropping the most immature top QB prospect since Johnny Manziel into that media market...along with his famously thin skinned old man??

 

This would be the fastest ticket out of The Meadowlands for the Giants' Abbott and Costello brain trust.

 

This simply HAS to happen lol.

Edited Wednesday at 04:04 PM by Mr. WEO

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

Josh is a great leader, but I’m not sure he’s ready for those jokers. Wouldn’t want these guys in Josh’s locker room. Probably worse than Diggs. 

 

I understand Hill, but what has Waddle or Achane done to show they are problematic?

 

And for as much flack as I give McD, I fully believe he would be capable of keeping any/all of them in line better than McDaniel.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Youmleft out Tommy Cutlets---the only QB popular with the fans.

 

Can you image the prospect of dropping the most immature top QB prospect since Johnny Manziel into that media market...along with his famously thin skinned old man??

 

This would be the fastest ticket out of The Meadowlands for the Giants' Abbott and Costello brain trust.

 

This simply HAS to happen lol.

 

Is he though? 

 

IIRC, from what I've heard/read, having grown up in and around professional sports, he is one of the most polished kids as it pertains to handling the media, dealing with adversity, etc.

 

I forget if it was Graziano or Pelissero or whoever, just did a piece on how, the physical traits (arm strength, etc) may not be there, but he has been trained from birth on how to be a professional and act accordingly.

 

I know he and PrimeTime are a bit self-promoting, but that might fit NYC perfectly.

 

But I'm also not much of a Deion hater.

 

[Saint Doug]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I understand Hill, but what has Waddle or Achane done to show they are problematic?

 

And for as much flack as I give McD, I fully believe he would be capable of keeping any/all of them in line better than McDaniel.

This is True. Achane and Waddle have been relatively drama-less. Hill is probably the worse in the league. 

[Captain Hindsight]

13 minutes ago, Saint Doug said:

Josh is a great leader, but I’m not sure he’s ready for those jokers. Wouldn’t want these guys in Josh’s locker room. Probably worse than Diggs. 

Oh please. Josh is an NFL MVP with 5 consecutive seasons over 40 TDs. If anyone can handle those jokers, it’s Josh

[stevewin]

23 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I still remember the clip of Hard Knocks when the GM was telling a few guys they had made the pro bowl. The players are all high fiving and McDaniel starts talking and it was like Sgt Buzzkill killed the moment

 

Really smart guy, doesn't seem like a strong leader

 

 

In that hard knocks when he tried to "rally" the locker room by talking tough it was one of the cringiest things I've ever seen.  You could almost hear the eye rolls.  That hard knocks season is exhibit A how you first need to be a leader of men to be a good HC - 'quirkiness' and word salads don't win the locker room when things start getting tough

Edited Wednesday at 06:38 PM by stevewin

[DapperCam]

7 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Oh please. Josh is an NFL MVP with 5 consecutive seasons over 40 TDs. If anyone can handle those jokers, it’s Josh

I agree, players and people in general respect results and ability. I’m much more likely to listen to/respect/revere somebody at work who I think is excellent vs someone who I think is mediocre.

[FireChans]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Is he though? 

 

IIRC, from what I've heard/read, having grown up in and around professional sports, he is one of the most polished kids as it pertains to handling the media, dealing with adversity, etc.

 

I forget if it was Graziano or Pelissero or whoever, just did a piece on how, the physical traits (arm strength, etc) may not be there, but he has been trained from birth on how to be a professional and act accordingly.

 

I know he and PrimeTime are a bit self-promoting, but that might fit NYC perfectly.

 

But I'm also not much of a Deion hater.

 

I’m not sure if immaturity is the right word, but I do have questions about Shedeur’s ability to handle being “the guy.”

 

Part of the perks of playing for your daddy is that the crosshairs were firmly pointed at Deion in times of trouble. And there’s nothing wrong with that, but it does make me wonder how he will react.

 

Shedeur vs the NYC media without Deion as a shield is probably not an ideal matchup. 

[Never NEVER Give-up]

21 hours ago, Gregg said:

Maybe they will bring back Adam Gase.

 

 

Those were the days.  He was with the Dolphins for 3 years then they cut him loose.  THEN the Jets hired him - how could a single Division be so lucky?!?!?

[Gigs]

20 hours ago, 947 said:

NFL players don't respect a nerd with no social skills who wears capri pants? Color me shocked.

He got his HC job the same way people on this MB have heard the name Ari Shaffir: he's just buddy buddy with the Shanahan Bros, like Matt LaFleur or Sean McVay, like Ari is with Joe Rogan. Not every coach will be a failure, like not every comedian will flame out, but theres going to be duds like Ari and McDaniel

[The Frankish Reich]

Losing will do that to you.

 

But let's not go with the old "not a leader of men" crap.

 

Was mumbling, irritable Belichick a "leader of men?" Is introverted McDermott a leader of men? Siriani wasn't a leader of men until suddenly he was.

 

I'm a Denver Nuggets NBA fan. They loved coach Mike Malone, an abrasive guy who got the best out of them. Until this year, when he became an abrasive guy they no longer wanted to play for. It happens. Familiarity breeds contempt. The Bills next coach will be a loudmouth extrovert, just as Rex Ryan begat Sean McDermott. That's why coaches don't often last long.

[Mat68]

20 hours ago, Logic said:

You may be right. 

I DO feel like the whiz kid OCs that always get touted as the most creative minds in the league tend to just put a lot of window dressing on otherwise classic/basic schemes.

Like...Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan both dress the same group of plays up to look like different things. They can run the same few basic zone run concepts -- and the passing plays that are based off of those concepts -- out of multiple different formations or personnel groupings, but at the end of the day, they're not different concepts than what a lot of other teams run. It's the window dressing and variety that they couch those concepts in that make them unique and hard to defend.

In McDaniel's case, I think it's the pre-snap shifts and cheat motions that dress up his scheme. I DO think his scheme has been easier to catch up to and stop than the other two guys I just mentioned, and he hasn't really thrown many effective counter punches as yet. He hasn't adapted.

So perhaps even the "long time OC in this league" forecast is generous. Or perhaps he adapts and grows.

 

Kyle and Sean will run the ball 40 times for 300 yards if you let them.  McDaniels doesn’t have the that in him.  They are built around a small qb and 2 small Wrs with speed.  Get them in weather or under 40 and they get folded up.  

[transient]

16 hours ago, BillsfaninChicago said:

A live shot in the Dolphins training facility…

 

I mean, his wife kinda looks like Betty Childs and he could pass for Robert Carradine...

[BillsShredder83]

22 hours ago, Logic said:

I've said it numerous times on this forum:

I believe that Mike McDaniel is a sharp offensive mind and probably can have a long career in this league as an offensive coordinator.

I do not believe he is a leader of men or is head coach material.

His schtick was fun and funny when the Dolphins were winning, but as things have slowly and consistently gone south, his charm has begun to wear off with players and fans, and I don't think he's long for the job. I think he's the offensive whiz kid version of Rex Ryan.

In my own mind, I operate on the assumption that Mike McDaniel will not be the head coach of the Miami Dolphins beyond 2025 or, at the latest, 2026. 

I dont expect this to be well received on an old-man message board ("he wears a cap at the dinner table!"), but if we are looking for a new OC after this season I'm 100% interested.  Put his mind to work and the rest of the staff can handle the major leadership skills.  Grier has certainly not helped McDaniel  out with team personnel.  "Hey this dudes struggling to manage Tyreek Hills attitude, lets trade major assets, to bring in Ramsey and immediately get him an extension".

 

I dont know how well even McDermott would handle Tyreek and Ramsey together

 

Thats like saying "wow, this dudes a real alcoholic who cant handle his liquor.... let's get him some cocaine to help pep him up a little bit!"

[SoTier]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

? McDaniel played football at Yale.  Where he earned a degree in history.  Shades of Marv Levy and his masters degree in History from Harvard.

 

Frankly, I think you need a lot of football talent to play football at just about any school beyond HS level, but Yale ain't DI

 

 

 

What's impressive is that McDaniel got into Yale without being a legacy applicant (ie, an applicant who has one or more family members who graduated from the school) or a gifted athlete.  For the 2146 openings in the Class of 2028, Yale had 57,228 applicants.  Being the child/grandchild of an alumnus or an outstanding HS athlete moves any applicant up to top of the applicant list.

 

4 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Miami is absolutely loaded, especially on offense

 

If The Bills had Tyreek Hill and Jaylin Waddle and Achane, Josh Allen would only need to play half of each game and they would still break the scoring record 

 

Miami is loaded with talent on the offensive skill positions but their offense is significantly compromised by having mediocre OL play.  They have so much invested in their QB and WRs that they can't afford to keep the best of their OLers.   That imbalance is likely to bite them in the butt this season since they've lost more talent in free agency or to retirement on both sides of the ball, and come into the draft without filling many of their holes much less improving the talent.

 

Edited Wednesday at 06:37 PM by SoTier

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

maybe another t-shirt slogan will help

[Don Otreply]

Always love to hear opponents teams are suffering turmoil, 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Is he though? 

 

IIRC, from what I've heard/read, having grown up in and around professional sports, he is one of the most polished kids as it pertains to handling the media, dealing with adversity, etc.

 

I forget if it was Graziano or Pelissero or whoever, just did a piece on how, the physical traits (arm strength, etc) may not be there, but he has been trained from birth on how to be a professional and act accordingly.

 

I know he and PrimeTime are a bit self-promoting, but that might fit NYC perfectly.

 

But I'm also not much of a Deion hater.

 

 

well, currently he's spending a lot of time defending his personality in pressers.  how many other have had to do this?

 

in college, he publicly called out his O-line, taunts opponents and jaws at refs, flashes his wealth, etc.  

 

google such:  here's just one (Breer): "“I’m having a really hard time finding coaches or scouts who believe Sanders is a first-round talent, “What I keep hearing—and this has nothing to do with anyone having some personal issue with Sanders, or looking for him to fall in the draft so they can draft him—is that he isn’t a great athlete on tape, doesn’t have exceptional arm talent, and too often does things that simply won’t translate to the NFL game.”

 

"Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders gave a blunt message to NFL teams who are considering passing on him in the 2025 NFL Draft. He’ll make note of it if he ends up falling to the Pittsburgh Steelers at No. 21 overall." Sanders said he is always going to be himself even though he knows that might rub some teams the wrong way."

 

“That’s on the people,” Sanders said to Kay Adams on Up & Adams. “That’s on the other franchises that could make that mistake of letting me go there.”  Imagine Rooney reading this before Sanders's visit, lol....

 

"“When I go visit these coaches and when I go to all these different franchises, I ask them truly what I think and how I feel,” Sanders said on the NFL Network’s The Insiders. “Some get offended, some like it, some don’t. Make some people uncomfortable, some people invite that."

 

As Breer correctly points out, teams will ignore this kind of brashness, if the draftee is truly elite.  There's a general agreement that Sanders clearly is not that. Plus, what owner wants to deal with his father--they will be a package deal. He's just not talented enough for this headache.

 

Perfect fit?? Fans in the city would enjoy nothing more than feasting on a big mouth rookie who can't back it up.  It would be over quick. 

 

 

[What a Tuel]

23 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I still remember the clip of Hard Knocks when the GM was telling a few guys they had made the pro bowl. The players are all high fiving and McDaniel starts talking and it was like Sgt Buzzkill killed the moment

 

Really smart guy, doesn't seem like a strong leader

 

 

 

Not sure if someone already posted it in this thread, but I looked it up and man that is brutal. He looked like a kid looking in from the outside wanting to be included but also trying to play it cool and never ended up saying anything. Then started it off with "you can always do more" lol.

 

 

[JP51]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

well, currently he's spending a lot of time defending his personality in pressers.  how many other have had to do this?

 

in college, he publicly called out his O-line, taunts opponents and jaws at refs, flashes his wealth, etc.  

 

google such:  here's just one (Breer): "“I’m having a really hard time finding coaches or scouts who believe Sanders is a first-round talent, “What I keep hearing—and this has nothing to do with anyone having some personal issue with Sanders, or looking for him to fall in the draft so they can draft him—is that he isn’t a great athlete on tape, doesn’t have exceptional arm talent, and too often does things that simply won’t translate to the NFL game.”

 

"Colorado quarterback Shedeur Sanders gave a blunt message to NFL teams who are considering passing on him in the 2025 NFL Draft. He’ll make note of it if he ends up falling to the Pittsburgh Steelers at No. 21 overall." Sanders said he is always going to be himself even though he knows that might rub some teams the wrong way."

 

“That’s on the people,” Sanders said to Kay Adams on Up & Adams. “That’s on the other franchises that could make that mistake of letting me go there.”  Imagine Rooney reading this before Sanders's visit, lol....

 

"“When I go visit these coaches and when I go to all these different franchises, I ask them truly what I think and how I feel,” Sanders said on the NFL Network’s The Insiders. “Some get offended, some like it, some don’t. Make some people uncomfortable, some people invite that."

 

As Breer correctly points out, teams will ignore this kind of brashness, if the draftee is truly elite.  There's a general agreement that Sanders clearly is not that. Plus, what owner wants to deal with his father--they will be a package deal. He's just not talented enough for this headache.

 

Perfect fit?? Fans in the city would enjoy nothing more than feasting on a big mouth rookie who can't back it up.  It would be over quick. 

 

 

I cannot see NYC (either Giants or Jets, especially the Jets) embracing a QB with a personality type like this when this QB in my opinion is going to take a couple years to develop and even then I am unsure if he is a franchise guy.... I think they will devour him like a black widow does their mate... just my opinion.