Miami Herald: Dolphins players have turned on McDaniel

[Mr. Wonderful]

McDaniel wanted to be a players coach and players like Tyrek and Jalen responded by showing up late to meetings.  They basically crapped on their coach.  

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[Neo]

1 hour ago, T.E. said:

Division 1-AA, not Division 1. At a school with no athletic scholarships.

 

Good for him for making the team or whatever, but you're acting like he walked on at Ohio State.

 

No, he isn’t.   He’s acknowledging an accomplishment few achieve.   It’s absurd to ignore the accomplishment or to diminish it with “or whatever.”

 

A doctor rearranged arteries around my heart in December, or whatever.   It’s not like he cured cancer.

[That's No Moon]

35 minutes ago, transient said:

I don't dislike him because he looks like a dork. I dislike him because he comes off as super fake. He's trying to play a part and he can't pull it off.  For example that whole "I wish it were colder" thing. You want to do that as a coach go ahead and do that, but you can't then come out and look as cold as he actually looked that day.  It pokes a huge hole in the phony bravado balloon that he totes around and everyone sees it right away.  There are plenty of other examples, that's just an easy one.

[T.E.]

12 minutes ago, Neo said:

 

No, he isn’t.   He’s acknowledging an accomplishment few achieve.   It’s absurd to ignore the accomplishment or to diminish it with “or whatever.”

 

A doctor rearranged arteries around my heart in December, or whatever.   It’s not like he cured cancer.

I'm not diminishing his accomplishment of making the team, but he did not play Division 1 football, which was the original claim.

[Special K]

McDaniel after reading the article:

 

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, 947 said:

NFL players don't respect a nerd with no social skills who wears capri pants? Color me shocked.

 

"Vitamin W" cures just about everything in sports.

 

NFL players on the Dolphins respected McDaniel just fine when they were a team on the rise from 9-8, to 9-8 with a playoff game they came embarrassingly (for the Bills) close to winning with Skylar Thompson under center, to 11-6 and playing the Bills for the AFC East in Week 17.  

 

Doesn't matter what the coach looks like, or how he dresses, when you're winning.

 

The Dolphins back-slid from 2023: from 2nd to 22nd in offense, from 11-6 to 8-9.  Defense improved, but not enough, and it kind of looked as though McDaniels offense got "solved" a bit.  If McDaniel adjusts and the offense returns to form, the locker room will be just fine.

 

If he doesn't adjust, he may have problems holding the team, but it won't be because he's a capri-wearing nerd.
 

 

 

Edited April 16 by Beck Water

[Neo]

15 minutes ago, T.E. said:

I'm not diminishing his accomplishment of making the team, but he did not play Division 1 football, which was the original claim.

 

 

Of course you were.

[T.E.]

3 minutes ago, Neo said:

 

 

Of course you were.

My literal quote from the first page of this thread:

 

"Still an impressive accomplishment"

[Neo]

9 minutes ago, T.E. said:

My literal quote from the first page of this thread:

 

"Still an impressive accomplishment"

 

 

You made a point of saying it was a lower division, not like Ohio State, where no scholarships were available and said “or whatever.”   All of that diminishes.

 

I’m not able to view that differently.   If you don’t believe it does, whether deliberate or inadvertent, I don’t know what to say.   Best wishes.

[eball]

Does this mean Miami isn’t winning the offseason championship again?

 

Eff the Fish.

 

[Fan in Chicago]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

"Vitamin W" cures just about everything in sports. 

 

Doesn't matter what the coach looks like, or how he dresses, when you're winning.

 

 

 

If he doesn't adjust, he may have problems holding the team, but it won't be because he's a capri-wearing nerd.
 

 

 

However there is something to be said for dressing and behaving in a manner appropriate for your job. If a coach has certain minor quirks (clapping, incessantly chewing  gum) then it doesn't matters. But McDaniels' acting and talking style resembles a stoned college guy on a Saturday afternoon . Which I argue is not appropriate.

To use a rather extreme example, I work in a professional engineering environment and often have to face customers. I cannot show up for work in shorts, cut sleeved t shirts with tattoo showing while expecting my boss to say "I am fine with his dressing as long as he is selling". 

[chongli]

16 hours ago, 947 said:

NFL players don't respect a nerd with no social skills who wears capri pants? Color me shocked.

 

LOL. Can you spot a nerd in this recent pic?

 

[Mr. WEO]

Daboll looking over his shoulder, pulling down his hoodie....

[FireChans]

13 hours ago, Simon said:

 

 

 

Your inability to control yourselves has completely driven this subject off the rails.

Enough.

Oh man, I totally get it now seeing it from this perspective. 

9 hours ago, Mr. Wonderful said:

McDaniel wanted to be a players coach and players like Tyrek and Jalen responded by showing up late to meetings.  They basically crapped on their coach.  

They wanted the polar opposite of Flores to build Tua back up. 
 

I get what they were going for but it’s probably over now. Every coach gets tuned out after a few bad years.

[Gregg]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Daboll looking over his shoulder, pulling down his hoodie....

 

My prediction is he is the first coach fired. Either sometime during the 2025 season or right after. No way he and Schoen survive another horrible year.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

My prediction is he is the first coach fired. Either sometime during the 2025 season or right after. No way he and Schoen survive another horrible year.

 

Does drafting a QB early and selling the story of he/we need a couple years together to develop buy them some time?

 

I cant imagine an owner as meddling as Mara would be happy using an early pick on a QB who his next regime might not even want.

 

Side note: a Giants QB room of Wilson, Winston, and Sanders is such a weird room.

[JP51]

16 hours ago, Logic said:

You may be right. 

I DO feel like the whiz kid OCs that always get touted as the most creative minds in the league tend to just put a lot of window dressing on otherwise classic/basic schemes.

Like...Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan both dress the same group of plays up to look like different things. They can run the same few basic zone run concepts -- and the passing plays that are based off of those concepts -- out of multiple different formations or personnel groupings, but at the end of the day, they're not different concepts than what a lot of other teams run. It's the window dressing and variety that they couch those concepts in that make them unique and hard to defend.

In McDaniel's case, I think it's the pre-snap shifts and cheat motions that dress up his scheme. I DO think his scheme has been easier to catch up to and stop than the other two guys I just mentioned, and he hasn't really thrown many effective counter punches as yet. He hasn't adapted.

So perhaps even the "long time OC in this league" forecast is generous. Or perhaps he adapts and grows.

 

I think you are hitting on something here... I have always believed that coaches/coordinators have to anticipate what others are going to do to in reaction to their plan... the best anticipate and adjust over time as well as adjust according to their personnel.  His pre snap cheats were actually brilliant until they changed the rule... but he could not have thought that this would last forever... we will see what he does with the upcoming season but I am not thinking it goes well for him.... 

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Because I read up on it.

 

To quote his head coach: “He was small and he couldn’t run fast. I thought ‘he’s not going to be around here really long”. They then go into how he was used as a coach and not a player. 

 

Not sure why you’re so determined to spin history into something it wasn’t. His head coach, players on the team, etc all said he was a coach. Not a player. He did not “make the team as a walk-on” in the sense that they accepted him because he was a gifted dude who worked hard. They accepted him to coach other players!

 

 

Actually the head coach said 7-10 guys showed up for walk-on.

 

 

Actually they did.

 

The defensive coordinator said in an article that they didn’t really want him but he “just wouldn’t go away” so they finally let him on the team to help them prepare.

 

You can keep trying to spin this if you want but you’re just flat out wrong.

 

 

 

I didn't know that story, but I respect McDaniel a ton for that. Kinda had a similar journey in soccer in that I played a pretty low level of semi-pro soccer when I was still living up north and when I moved to London and went to summer try outs for my local semi-pro club which was a couple of levels higher up the pyramid I made it from like 100 guys through 3 rounds of cuts and when they did the cut to the final 20 man squad to start the season the manager pulled me and said "to be honest ability wise I'd have cut you two rounds ago but you caught my eye for how you communicate and the quality of the information you pass on to other players, so I am going to sign you but I don't really want you to play, I want you to coach and be there as a break glass in case of emergency player." I was 24 and at the time the youngest coach in the top 4 tiers of the non-league game. 

[Gregg]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Does drafting a QB early and selling the story of he/we need a couple years together to develop buy them some time?

 

I cant imagine an owner as meddling as Mara would be happy using an early pick on a QB who his next regime might not even want.

 

Side note: a Giants QB room of Wilson, Winston, and Sanders is such a weird room.

 

Isn't this considered a weak QB class this draft. Wilson while not what he used to be buys them a year or two. Besides the Giants are in a full rebuild mode. With the Eagles and Commanders they aren't winning the division anytime soon. The Giants have to show some improvement from last year for Schoen and Daboll to keep their jobs. IMHO. They don't have to make the playoffs but they can't be as bad as last year. Both definitely won't survive that.