Fight Fiercely, Harvard!

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Homelander said:

This aged well.

 

Restoring Freedom Of Speech And Ending Federal Censorship – The White House

 

Very well.

 

That was entirely different. It was Twitter censorship. Now it's full government censorship without the Twitter in the middle.

[Homelander]

9 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That was entirely different. It was Twitter censorship. Now it's full government censorship without the Twitter in the middle.

 

BS - it's all the same.

 

[T master]

19 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Don’t we desire to be better than China?  Better than average?  Wouldn’t it be good for the US to be widely considered elite?

 

We use to be better or elite until we sold out to them ! Basically our economy is now controlled by them and we & others support theirs in more ways than we know so which is the more intelligent of the 2 ?

 

Sure we can be smarter academically or book smarts but street smarts or hands on experiences comes in very handy and right now the Chinese are kicking our ass in that forum and in the end who owns who ?  But maybe that's just me ...

 

And how many of those enrolled in those colleges are foreigners that our elite American knowledge college is teaching for them to take that back to their homeland ? 

[B-Man]

 

 

"Would [Harvard] recognize the Ku Klux Klan? For me, the National Lawyers Guild and the Ku Klux Klan are indistinguishable in terms of ideology...."

 

"If [Harvard] wouldn't recognize Klansmen or if it wouldn't recognize a group of sexists who called for the end of equality for women, then it shouldn't recognize the pro-Hamas National Lawyers Guild....

 

If this were the1950s and there was a university say the University of Mississippi Old Miss that was forcibly integrated and it was allowing... some of the Klansmen who were students to harass black students, and the federal government came in and said 'Unless you stop Klansmen from harassing black students we're going to cut off federal funding,' people would be applauding that.'..."

 

Said Alan Dershowitz

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

16 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

"Would [Harvard] recognize the Ku Klux Klan? For me, the National Lawyers Guild and the Ku Klux Klan are indistinguishable in terms of ideology...."

 

"If [Harvard] wouldn't recognize Klansmen or if it wouldn't recognize a group of sexists who called for the end of equality for women, then it shouldn't recognize the pro-Hamas National Lawyers Guild....

 

If this were the1950s and there was a university say the University of Mississippi Old Miss that was forcibly integrated and it was allowing... some of the Klansmen who were students to harass black students, and the federal government came in and said 'Unless you stop Klansmen from harassing black students we're going to cut off federal funding,' people would be applauding that.'..."

 

Said Alan Dershowitz

 

 

Would Harvard recognize the Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Society, Alan?

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Cutting science funding to Harvard helps Chine

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/5250224-trump-attacks-american-science/

 

Why is it important that the U.S. “wins” at science? I’ll use an example from my own field of nanoscience. You might know someone whose cancer was treated with Abraxane, a nanoparticle-based chemotherapy. Let’s now imagine that China develops a new treatment for cancer and decides not to share it with us. 

Or consider current developments in AI, quantum computing, and brain-machine interfaces. These all have military applications. I would certainly prefer that the U.S., not China, has the most advanced military technologies. 

I’m not sure whether Trump voters were voting to stop the development of new technologies in the U.S. I doubt they were voting to support the Chinese Communist Party, but that’s the situation we are in now. We need a democracy that protects human rights to be the leader in science.

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Would Harvard recognize the Jeffrey Epstein Memorial Society, Alan?

So disgusting that some (or several) teenage girl was forces to go to bed with pos, filthy, gross Dershowitz.  Totally appropriate for him to be a MAGA icon however.

Edited Wednesday at 05:16 PM by Joe Ferguson forever

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Harvard, Meet Bob Jones

By John Hinderaker

 

When I first saw President Trump’s suggestion that Harvard might lose its tax-exempt status, in addition to federal funding, I considered it mere Trumpian bombast. But Randy Barnett’s comment puts it in a different light:

 

It had been a long time since I had thought about the Bob Jones case, decided in 1983, so I looked it up.

 

You can read the Supreme Court’s decision here. 

 

Bob Jones was a 501(c)(3) charitable organization, and it had a policy that prohibited interracial dating or marriage. Because of that policy, the IRS revoked Bob Jones’s tax-exempt status. The case reached the Supreme Court, which upheld the IRS’s action on an 8-1 vote. The Court’s holding was unambiguous:

 

The IRS’s 1970 interpretation of § 501(c)(3) was correct. It would be wholly incompatible with the concepts underlying tax exemption to grant tax-exempt status to racially discriminatory private educational entities. Whatever may be the rationale for such private schools’ policies, racial discrimination in education is contrary to public policy. Racially discriminatory educational institutions cannot be viewed as conferring a public benefit within the above “charitable” concept or within the congressional intent underlying § 501(c)(3).

 

I am sure Harvard never imagined that it would fall under the same condemnation that befell Bob Jones University. But why shouldn’t it? Hasn’t the Supreme Court already found, in Students For Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, that Harvard engages in illegal race discrimination? Yes. That is the holding in the case

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/04/harvard-meet-bob-jones.php

[Homelander]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Harvard, Meet Bob Jones

By John Hinderaker

 

When I first saw President Trump’s suggestion that Harvard might lose its tax-exempt status, in addition to federal funding, I considered it mere Trumpian bombast. But Randy Barnett’s comment puts it in a different light:

 

It had been a long time since I had thought about the Bob Jones case, decided in 1983, so I looked it up.

 

You can read the Supreme Court’s decision here. 

 

Bob Jones was a 501(c)(3) charitable organization, and it had a policy that prohibited interracial dating or marriage. Because of that policy, the IRS revoked Bob Jones’s tax-exempt status. The case reached the Supreme Court, which upheld the IRS’s action on an 8-1 vote. The Court’s holding was unambiguous:

 

The IRS’s 1970 interpretation of § 501(c)(3) was correct. It would be wholly incompatible with the concepts underlying tax exemption to grant tax-exempt status to racially discriminatory private educational entities. Whatever may be the rationale for such private schools’ policies, racial discrimination in education is contrary to public policy. Racially discriminatory educational institutions cannot be viewed as conferring a public benefit within the above “charitable” concept or within the congressional intent underlying § 501(c)(3).

 

I am sure Harvard never imagined that it would fall under the same condemnation that befell Bob Jones University. But why shouldn’t it? Hasn’t the Supreme Court already found, in Students For Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, that Harvard engages in illegal race discrimination? Yes. That is the holding in the case

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/04/harvard-meet-bob-jones.php

 

Let's talk about churches.

 

 

[Andy1]

This year China’s universities will produce over three times as many PhD STEM students as Americans graduating with same degrees. These are the people who will shape the future in technology, robotics, communications, AI, medicine, space, etc.

 

So here’s Trumps solution to helping America compete - First attack foreign students studying here to send a message, heard around the world, that they are not welcome. Then his next move is to withhold funding for research at Harvard over his stupid, illegal demands so he can fight his culture war. In China they celebrate academic achievement. In America, Trumpists ridicule and demean it. Their motto might as well be “We don’t need no education…” He wants to make America dumber and less competitive. This is not what made America great. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

19 minutes ago, Andy1 said:

This year China’s universities will produce over three times as many PhD STEM students as Americans graduating with same degrees. These are the people who will shape the future in technology, robotics, communications, AI, medicine, space, etc.

 

So here’s Trumps solution to helping America compete - First attack foreign students studying here to send a message, heard around the world, that they are not welcome. Then his next move is to withhold funding for research at Harvard over his stupid, illegal demands so he can fight his culture war. In China they celebrate academic achievement. In America, Trumpists ridicule and demean it. Their motto might as well be “We don’t need no education…” He wants to make America dumber and less competitive. This is not what made America great. 

We are losing to China at the top and the bottom of our populations. They know this. Prohibiting interracial marriage is in no way analogous to allowing 1 st amendment protected speech and protests. This is about putting intellectuals in their place. Harvard is fulfilling their patriotic obligation battling this fascist. 

Edited Thursday at 03:52 AM by Joe Ferguson forever

[B-Man]

 

 

Fight Fiercely !!!

 

 

 

Harvard researchers say they might have to lay off workers and euthanize research animals due to funding freeze.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/16/us/als-research-harvard-funding-freeze-hnk/index.html

 

 

Like Harvard isn’t swimming in dough, as is.

 

No, they want your tax money, or they’ll kill the puppies!

 

 

 

https://instapundit.com/715124/

[dgrochester55]

On 4/16/2025 at 11:11 PM, Homelander said:

 

Let's talk about churches.

 

 

 

Honestly, it is a conversation that many in the evangelical Christian community need to have. By default, I am for a church or other religious organization being tax exempt, but so many megachurches have exploited these loopholes and created mini empires that give their leaders millions.  I am for the core portions of churches being exempt, but they need to set a tax exemption cap or make churches have the same financial transparency requirements as other non-profits. That is not "persecution", that is common sense and something that should be talked about more.

Edited Friday at 02:52 PM by dgrochester55

[Tommy Callahan]

It's just funny reading every lefty go full blown cheerleader for....checks notes ...

 

Major industry

War

The establishment 

Big pharm 

Mega corporate colleges worth billions with billions in the bank that don't pay taxes and directly lead to the college debt bubble, that the same people think Americans should cover.  

Corporate media

Any foreign leader that spews anti American rhetoric.  

Gangs that terrorize entire communities creating male and female victims of everything from violent crime to rapes and human trafficking.

Big money and it's margins.  

 

 

The left is showing everyone exactly who they are and what they support. 

 

 

[wnyguy]

On 4/16/2025 at 11:33 PM, Andy1 said:

This year China’s universities will produce over three times as many PhD STEM students as Americans graduating with same degrees. These are the people who will shape the future in technology, robotics, communications, AI, medicine, space, etc.

 

So here’s Trumps solution to helping America compete - First attack foreign students studying here to send a message, heard around the world, that they are not welcome. Then his next move is to withhold funding for research at Harvard over his stupid, illegal demands so he can fight his culture war. In China they celebrate academic achievement. In America, Trumpists ridicule and demean it. Their motto might as well be “We don’t need no education…” He wants to make America dumber and less competitive. This is not what made America great. 

Trump is obviously a Yale man.

[dgrochester55]

On 4/16/2025 at 11:33 PM, Andy1 said:

This year China’s universities will produce over three times as many PhD STEM students as Americans graduating with same degrees. These are the people who will shape the future in technology, robotics, communications, AI, medicine, space, etc.

 

So here’s Trumps solution to helping America compete - First attack foreign students studying here to send a message, heard around the world, that they are not welcome. Then his next move is to withhold funding for research at Harvard over his stupid, illegal demands so he can fight his culture war. In China they celebrate academic achievement. In America, Trumpists ridicule and demean it. Their motto might as well be “We don’t need no education…” He wants to make America dumber and less competitive. This is not what made America great. 

 

Do you really think that Trump did this because he is against education? Disagreeing with the decision is one thing, but then you get into the childish hyperbole that everyone else not on the far left is sick of.  For example, the foreign students expelled were not just "here to study." lets be honest, the real reason for the deportation is that they incited protesting and possible anti-semitic behavior. Whether or not it what they did was enough to warrant a deportation is a valid conversation, but acting like they were just regular students only here to study is dishonest and dismissive.

 

The real question is, does a university with a $51 billion dollar endowment need $2 billion a year and should certain actions partially or fully exempt them from that money?  For a party that is so for "taxing the rich" as the one and only solution to reduce the deficit, shouldn't you be thrilled that someone with $51 billion is not getting $2 billion more every year?

Edited Friday at 04:16 PM by dgrochester55

[Andy1]

9 hours ago, dgrochester55 said:

 

Do you really think that Trump did this because he is against education? Disagreeing with the decision is one thing, but then you get into the childish hyperbole that everyone else not on the far left is sick of.  For example, the foreign students expelled were not just "here to study." lets be honest, the real reason for the deportation is that they incited protesting and possible anti-semitic behavior. Whether or not it what they did was enough to warrant a deportation is a valid conversation, but acting like they were just regular students only here to study is dishonest and dismissive.

 

The real question is, does a university with a $51 billion dollar endowment need $2 billion a year and should certain actions partially or fully exempt them from that money?  For a party that is so for "taxing the rich" as the one and only solution to reduce the deficit, shouldn't you be thrilled that someone with $51 billion is not getting $2 billion more every year?

First, with regards to the student activists - freedom of speech is a bedrock freedom which our democracy is founded on in this country. Personally, I think the students protesting against universities due to their alignment with Israel interests were stupid or brainwashed on TikTok. Everybody does stupid crap in college. A few may have had connections with Hamas. Universities handled the protests poorly, due to a variety of reasons. Regardless, there is no freedom of speech unless we allow others to speak/scream things that we don’t agree with. This applies to pro Hamas idiots and to the neo-Nazi losers without a life. Peaceful protest is the American way through which all major changes in society have been achieved. 
 

 Now for Harvard…They will survive the Trump era. They may have to dip into their endowment a bit but this really isn’t about Harvard. Harvard is just the target Trump chose so everyone will pay attention. This is Trumps battle against all universities who dare not follow his orders. He wants to control what they teach and who they hire. He wants DEI for his minions. He is not just stopping funding for Harvard. They have stopped funding for universities all across the country. He wants universities to fear his wrath. It’s part of the authoritarian playbook.
 

Government partnerships with American universities is a longstanding tradition which has helped create the best university system in the world. They have championed liberal values such as non discrimination and understanding of other cultures. It’s why wealthy foreigners want to send their children here to study. Our education system has its problems, but it’s one of the best things America has which is the source of so much innovation solving problems and creating new things in all fields of society. Trump wants to break that. If universities take federal funds, he wants to control them. If they don’t follow his orders, he will order investigations and launch lawsuits against them. Already 50 universities are under investigation about DEI crap. That’s what he does to people he doesn’t like. 
 

You seem to think Trump is not against university education. In my opinion, it is obvious that he and his crew want to control them or break them. Him and his cronies have all been through Ivy League universities though. Republicans love to crap on higher education as part of their fake populist act. Ted Cruz is famous for that BS even though he went to Princeton and Harvard Law School. I guarantee you that they will all be sending their kids to famous universities while they convince their followers that education is overrated and not necessary or desired today. The less educated the public is, the easier it is for the corporate wealthy to remain in power and pass laws to benefit them and not the people. Authoritarians love an uneducated public. 

Edited Saturday at 01:58 AM by Andy1

[Homelander]

Bunch of pathetic amateurs.

 

 

[dgrochester55]

1 hour ago, Andy1 said:

"First, with regards to the student activists - freedom of speech is a bedrock freedom which our democracy is founded on in this country." 

 

Two years ago the same universities that allow months of disruptive Palestinian protests would not let conservative speakers or student groups on campus because "freedom of speech does not apply to dangerous people." So nope, I call BS.  Far left universities do not get to play that card if they are going to have a two tiered set of standards for free speech.
 

"Now for Harvard…They will survive the Trump era. They may have to dip into their endowment a bit but this really isn’t about Harvard. Harvard is just the target Trump chose so everyone will pay attention. This is Trumps battle against all universities who dare not follow his orders. He wants to control what they teach and who they hire. He wants DEI for his minions. He is not just stopping funding for Harvard. They have stopped funding for universities all across the country. He wants universities to fear his wrath. It’s part of the authoritarian playbook."

 

They may have to dip into their endowment? Oh no, and they only have 51 Billion? My gosh, where can I donate? I don't want anyone to starve. Kidding aside, of course Harvard will survive, there are an elite university, they just won't have funding from the US until they nip that antisemitism problem in the bud. Similar to Bob Jones University when they lost funding. If a school creates an agenda that results in extreme or discriminitory behavior, they lose funding. Seems fair.
 

Government partnerships with American universities is a longstanding tradition which has helped create the best university system in the world. They have championed liberal values such as non discrimination and understanding of other cultures. It’s why wealthy foreigners want to send their children here to study. Our education system has its problems, but it’s one of the best things America has which is the source of so much innovation solving problems and creating new things in all fields of society. Trump wants to break that. If universities take federal funds, he wants to control them. If they don’t follow his orders, he will order investigations and launch lawsuits against them. Already 50 universities are under investigation about DEI crap. That’s what he does to people he doesn’t like. 

 

As far as the DEI, I am not for that part (unless it involved misappropriation of federal funds) in the same way that I was not for Biden threatening to pull funding from universities that didn't follow gender bathroom laws. What I am for is going after them for their lack of control in the Palestinian protests and the discrimination against Jewish people that resulted from this. This is the primary reason for Harvard losing their funding. I 100% agree with that decision.

 

You seem to think Trump is not against university education. In my opinion, it is obvious that he and his crew want to control them or break them. Him and his cronies have all been through Ivy League universities though. Republicans love to crap on higher education as part of their fake populist act. Ted Cruz is famous for that BS even though he went to Princeton and Harvard Law School. I guarantee you that they will all be sending their kids to famous universities while they convince their followers that education is overrated and not necessary or desired today. The less educated the public is, the easier it is for the corporate wealthy to remain in power and pass laws to benefit them and not the people. Authoritarians love an uneducated public. 

 

Blah Blah Blah, TDS, is all I saw here. If you don't agree that Harvard's conduct was not enough to warrant their funds being pulled great, but have an honest conversation and base your argument on the real reason Trump did it instead of making up a childish absolute generalization that "Trump hates education."

 

Edited Saturday at 03:37 AM by dgrochester55