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[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Maye over Tua?  Thats crazy.  

 

100%.  Maye is far more talented than Tua. Tua needs to be propped up by everyone else and at the end of the day doesn't perform well against good teams due to his limitations in physical attributes. Essentially when teams tell Tua "Ok, we are going to take everything else away, you beat us." he can't. Maye has no such limitations and he will easily be better than Tua within the next 2 years.

Edited Wednesday at 08:27 PM by Big Turk

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

100%.  Maye is far more talented than Tua. Tua needs to be propped up by everyone else and at the end of the day doesn't perform well against good teams due to his limitations in physical attributes. Maye has no such limitations and he will easily be better than Tua within the next 2 years.

 

That's a projection of arm talent over QB ability.  Tua's an elite processor and possesses elite ball placement and accuracy.  If you want to ding him on durability and concussions, thats fair.  The guy led the league in yards in 2023, and had a fine year in 2021 after missing time with broken ribs (courtesy of one AJ Epenesa).  

 

Why isn't there some level of critique to the game of Maye?  I know he has some pop plays - and those were a good indicator to me that Allen was going to be a great player.  But so did Fields.  So does richardson.  Hell, even mac jones.  The only certainty with Maye is uncertainty.  He's currently the 4th best QB in the first round - and one of the 5 hasn't played yet.   

 

With Tua - you're getting something in the vein of Burrow-lite (who is also very much at the same not immune to being propped up).  Goff, Stroud, and probably a better version of players like Geno and Carr.  

Edited Wednesday at 08:51 PM by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

That's a projection of arm talent over QB ability.  Tua's an elite processor and possesses elite ball placement and accuracy.  If you want to ding him on durability and concussions, thats fair.  The guy led the league in yards in 2023, and had a fine year in 2021 after missing time with broken ribs (courtesy of one AJ Epenesa).  

 

Why isn't there some level of critique to the game of Maye?  I know he has some pop plays - and those were a good indicator to me that Allen was going to be a great player.  But so did Fields.  So does richardson.  Hell, even mac jones.  The only certainty with Maye is uncertainty.  He's currently the 4th best QB in the first round - and one of the 5 hasn't played yet.   

 

With Tua - you're getting something in the vein of Burrow-lite (who is also very much at the same not immune to being propped up).  Goff, Stroud, and probably a better version of players like Geno and Carr.  

 

With Tua you are getting a guy who just isn't good enough unless he has elite talent all over the offense to prop him up.  He will never raise anyone else's game he requires them to raise his. How this is even debatable at this point is beyond me based on his performances in games that actually matter against good teams.  Tua's ceiling at this point is wildcard losing QB.

 

I will take Maye all day over Tua because with Tua you are NEVER winning the division while Allen is in it.  Maye might have a chance one day.  I would rather take a gamble on his potential than to already know I have a guy that isn't good enough other than to keep me in mediocrity over the next decade.

Edited Wednesday at 09:00 PM by Big Turk

[Warriorspikes51]

Lol Ryan Clark thinks we should get him

[Chandler#81]

He’s trash! Eff him.

[Doc Brown]

On 4/16/2025 at 4:26 PM, Big Turk said:

 

100%.  Maye is far more talented than Tua. Tua needs to be propped up by everyone else and at the end of the day doesn't perform well against good teams due to his limitations in physical attributes. Essentially when teams tell Tua "Ok, we are going to take everything else away, you beat us." he can't. Maye has no such limitations and he will easily be better than Tua within the next 2 years.

I'd take Maye over Tua but just because of his durability.  I also don't think Tua is a natural leader.  However, when healthy, he's one of the most accurate QB's in the short and intermediate routes I've ever seen.  His release time, anticipation, and touch is special.  His lack of arm strength is what prevents him from being in that upper QB tier but get the right offensive coordinator around him to maximize his strengths and he could be Drew Brees scary. Luckily, they're sticking with Grier as GM and Shanahan's Jan Brady at HC so they won't be a threat.

Edited Friday at 09:34 AM by Doc Brown

[machine gun kelly]

He’s always been overrated.

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

If I wanted an aging CB with a recent injury history I would sign Tre White

 

*checks board*

 

Oh welcome back Tre!

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'd take Maye over Tua but just because of his durability.  I also don't think Tua is a natural leader.  However, when healthy, he's one of the most accurate QB's in the short and intermediate routes I've ever seen.  His release time, anticipation, and touch is special.  His lack of arm strength is what prevents him from being in that upper QB tier but get the right offensive coordinator around him to maximize his strengths and he could be Drew Brees scary. Luckily, they're sticking with Grier as GM and Shanahan's Jan Brady at HC so they won't be a threat.

 

Until teams stop going for all the gimmicks and motions and misdirections and just line up and play football.  Then he doesn't look so great.

[FireChans]

On 4/16/2025 at 3:47 PM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

He's currently the 4th best QB in the first round

Hm, really?

 

I think Maye looked better than Caleb at spots.  Caleb had a little EJ afraid to trust his eyes with a pretty good supporting cast.

 

To me, the rookies were Jayden Daniels, then probably Bo by virtue of team success, then everyone else. And it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if Drake ended up being QB2 from that class.

[Captain Hindsight]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Hm, really?

 

I think Maye looked better than Caleb at spots.  Caleb had a little EJ afraid to trust his eyes with a pretty good supporting cast.

 

To me, the rookies were Jayden Daniels, then probably Bo by virtue of team success, then everyone else. And it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if Drake ended up being QB2 from that class.

Caleb has an issue with sacks, but his talent is excellent. Having a real offensive mind will do wonders for Caleb (IMO)

 

I like Maye, I think he's good. He was in a bad situation last year and played ok. I don't understand all the confidence in that he will take this giant leap next year. He's talented, but he has a ton to prove still

 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Caleb has an issue with sacks, but his talent is excellent. Having a real offensive mind will do wonders for Caleb (IMO)

 

I like Maye, I think he's good. He was in a bad situation last year and played ok. I don't understand all the confidence in that he will take this giant leap next year. He's talented, but he has a ton to prove still

 

I think if you watched every snap of their rookie years back to back, you'd be hard-pressed to tell me there's any kind of gap between Maye and Caleb.

 

Caleb has pedigree and draft status and I don't mind folks taking that into account when discussing their preference, but I don't think any of that showed up on the field their first years. JMO.

[fergie's ire]

19 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Caleb has an issue with sacks, but his talent is excellent. Having a real offensive mind will do wonders for Caleb (IMO)

 

I like Maye, I think he's good. He was in a bad situation last year and played ok. I don't understand all the confidence in that he will take this giant leap next year. He's talented, but he has a ton to prove still

 

I never have confidence in a QBs talent until they have at LEAST 2 years starting. Need to see how they respond to defensive adjustments. Daniel Jones looked great out of the gate. Carson Wentz was almost MVP early in his career. Even with Caleb, I need to see more.

[Udubalum07]

On 4/18/2025 at 9:58 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

Caleb has an issue with sacks, but his talent is excellent. Having a real offensive mind will do wonders for Caleb (IMO)

 

I like Maye, I think he's good. He was in a bad situation last year and played ok. I don't understand all the confidence in that he will take this giant leap next year. He's talented, but he has a ton to prove still

 

I think Caleb's biggest problems are things that can't be fixed. I think he loves the celebrity and business just as much if not more than football. 

 

I just don't think he has the dedication that you see from the best in the league.

[Mikie2times]

On 4/16/2025 at 1:47 PM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

That's a projection of arm talent over QB ability.  Tua's an elite processor and possesses elite ball placement and accuracy.  If you want to ding him on durability and concussions, thats fair.  The guy led the league in yards in 2023, and had a fine year in 2021 after missing time with broken ribs (courtesy of one AJ Epenesa).  

 

Why isn't there some level of critique to the game of Maye?  I know he has some pop plays - and those were a good indicator to me that Allen was going to be a great player.  But so did Fields.  So does richardson.  Hell, even mac jones.  The only certainty with Maye is uncertainty.  He's currently the 4th best QB in the first round - and one of the 5 hasn't played yet.   

 

With Tua - you're getting something in the vein of Burrow-lite (who is also very much at the same not immune to being propped up).  Goff, Stroud, and probably a better version of players like Geno and Carr.  

Tua is a system QB who is rather soft, surrounded with elite talent. He puts a permanent ceiling on the Dolphins. I hope they keep him forever. We don’t know who Maye is yet but he could end up being a very good player. So at this point, certainly far more dangerous than Tua will ever be. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Too old for the cost

 

 

[TBBills Fan]

On 4/18/2025 at 10:58 AM, Captain Hindsight said:

Caleb has an issue with sacks, but his talent is excellent. Having a real offensive mind will do wonders for Caleb (IMO)

 

I like Maye, I think he's good. He was in a bad situation last year and played ok. I don't understand all the confidence in that he will take this giant leap next year. He's talented, but he has a ton to prove still

 

Sounds like people describing Josh after year one

[Captain Hindsight]

2 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

Sounds like people describing Josh after year one

Most people looked at Josh’s stats and said he was a bust

 

i feel like people are doing the same with Maye, but in the other direction 

[JohnNord]

On 4/18/2025 at 10:33 AM, FireChans said:

Hm, really?

 

I think Maye looked better than Caleb at spots.  Caleb had a little EJ afraid to trust his eyes with a pretty good supporting cast.

 

To me, the rookies were Jayden Daniels, then probably Bo by virtue of team success, then everyone else. And it wouldn't surprise me AT ALL if Drake ended up being QB2 from that class.

I think Maye is already the second best QB in his class.   Everyone talks about Williams bad OL in Chicago.  Maye’s wasn’t that much better and his receivers were worse and yet, he made more with less.  Nix was good in spots but I feel he showed his limitations at points last season.  

[FireChans]

17 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I think Maye is already the second best QB in his class.   Everyone talks about Williams bad OL in Chicago.  Maye’s wasn’t that much better and his receivers were worse and yet, he made more with less.  Nix was good in spots but I feel he showed his limitations at points last season.  

I was really not impressed with Caleb last season. he had stretches where he was refusing to throw the ball. I hate that in young QBs, imo it’s much better for them to throw it all over and make mistakes to learn from than be afraid to make mistakes.
 

Now he had garbage coaching so who knows. 
 

But I agree that Drake’s stock is up. I think if the Bears called the Pats and offered a swap, they wouldn’t consider it. 

Bo Nix is a better athlete and has a better arm, but his rookie year gave me Mac Jones’ rookie year in NE vibes.