TSW 2.0 Poll - Who should the Bills select at #56

[Alphadawg7]

54 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Burch here as well for the reasons stated of only having Groot and Solomon under contract for 2026.

 

I wouldn't have a problem doubling up with Collins at 1T ... Royals would be on top of my WR list at this point... Is Harris faster than Coleman ?

 

Yeah if it was a WR here, I agree Royals is more interesting than Harris.  I can't see it being Harris, his 40 was the same as the one Coleman ran at his pro day.   We need a vertical speed threat, that isn't Harris whose knocks also include a lack of explosion off the line.  Not saying Harris doesn't have NFL potential, he just isn't the type of WR we need or should be looking for.  

 

I voted Burch too, although Collins would be good too.  I would rather go after someone like Donte Thompson later at WR (6'5" with 4.3 speed)

Edited Monday at 03:34 PM by Alphadawg7

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is the very essence of drafting for need though. None of the next tier of corners belong here IMO. I'm higher than most on Zy Alexander and I think he is a scheme fit for the Bills.... but he doesn't belong here either. If that's what they do we will be looking back in two years going "man that guy they passed on who went 3/4/5 picks later would have been nice"

Yes, you can call it drafting for need.  The FO has intentionally left the CB2 spot able to be filled by a draft pick.  This is a great way to manage the cap.

 

The selections above for another rotational DL or a flyer on a WR don't offer the same odds of hitting on filling a costly position.

 

There will always be second guessing.  Always able to say "man that guy we passed on".  But what looks to be the best 2025 draft for the Bills would be to say they got a DLman and a CB that worked into the starting rotation.   With that in mind, you do not wait, the selections don't get any better for a CB.

[frostbitmic]

42 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:

 

I wouldn't love doubling up on 1T with the top 2 picks you hold when you look at the guys who project to still be available at 169: Jamaree Caldwell Oregon, Nazir Stackhouse UGA, Yahya Black Iowa, Zeek Biggers GT, Cam Horsley BC, Elijah Simmon Tenn...

 

Poor use of assets at a non-premium position, despite the Bills' lack there.

That's the main reason I went with Burch. I would've liked a CB there but if there isn't one available, there's no point in reaching.

 

We will need a backup 1T as well seeing as Jones is on his last leg, whether that's this year or next, it'll be done.

[ndirish1978]

15 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would vote Collins if we hadn't already taken Grant in round 1. This is why I wouldn't draft Grant that early. The value for 1Ts in this class starts in the mid 2nd round. By taking one too early we've really limited our options here.

 

Depends on the type of 1-tech. Some offer pass-rush and others are just space-eaters. Grant is a 1-tech with great lateral range who has pass-rushing upside, which cannot be said for a lot of the other 1-techs in the draft. I think he offers more than the other guys and he and Harmon are probably the only 2 1-techs i would take in the 1st. That said, I don't think another 1-tech like Collins is a worthy pick in the 2nd compared to someone like Farmer in the 3rd. We should be looking at another position with this pick, the board fell in a crappy nightmare scenario value-wise.  I would trade back if this were how the board fell to us to pick up more ammo for a trade up to the 3rd. 

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Yes, you can call it drafting for need.  The FO has intentionally left the CB2 spot able to be filled by a draft pick.  This is a great way to manage the cap.

 

The selections above for another rotational DL or a flyer on a WR don't offer the same odds of hitting on filling a costly position.

 

There will always be second guessing.  Always able to say "man that guy we passed on".  But what looks to be the best 2025 draft for the Bills would be to say they got a DLman and a CB that worked into the starting rotation.   With that in mind, you do not wait, the selections don't get any better for a CB.

 

Hmm. To me it is a recipe to continue finding good players but not great ones. 

[LEBills]

Beane was at the South Carolina Pro Day and now we are having TJ Sanders in for a 30 visit. That is quite a bit of interest.

[Prospector]

I voted Harris... He seems like a perfect fit for an Allen scramble offense. 

[hjnick]

Can't have enough big fatties!

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Yes, you can call it drafting for need.  The FO has intentionally left the CB2 spot able to be filled by a draft pick.  This is a great way to manage the cap.

 

The selections above for another rotational DL or a flyer on a WR don't offer the same odds of hitting on filling a costly position.

 

There will always be second guessing.  Always able to say "man that guy we passed on".  But what looks to be the best 2025 draft for the Bills would be to say they got a DLman and a CB that worked into the starting rotation.   With that in mind, you do not wait, the selections don't get any better for a CB.

We drafted a safety we needed to contribute right away and that safety could barely play.

 

I’m with @GunnerBill. I don’t care where the team needs are within reason. I’m not taking a 3rd round grade DB in round 2.

[TBBills Fan]

Why Collins over sanders?  

 

Honest question as I don't know

[Mark Vader]

Defense, defense. That's what we need. Beef up the lines with Grant & Collins.

 

Worry about offense later.

[Einstein's Dog]

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

We drafted a safety we needed to contribute right away and that safety could barely play.

 

I’m with @GunnerBill. I don’t care where the team needs are within reason. I’m not taking a 3rd round grade DB in round 2.

But don't you think you need to look at how the draft will play out as a whole?  

 

I think this exercise is showing the FO needs to do exactly that, look at the draft as a whole (or at least for the DL/CB portion) and not an isolated pick at a time.  By not taking a CB in the first people are not even considering taking one in the second because it seems like a reach at this point.  That's a bad position to be in.

[strive_for_five_guy]

2 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But don't you think you need to look at how the draft will play out as a whole?  

 

I think this exercise is showing the FO needs to do exactly that, look at the draft as a whole (or at least for the DL/CB portion) and not an isolated pick at a time.  By not taking a CB in the first people are not even considering taking one in the second because it seems like a reach at this point.  That's a bad position to be in.

Yep, have to consider the marginal utility of draft capital at different positions.  If they love Grant, I get taking him at #30.  But if they want a CB too and like someone on that end with a 1st or 2nd round draft grade, they better be ready to trade up in the 2nd round then as well.

[NewEra]

Torn between Sanders and the WRs.  I think Harris is the better WR but i’m a huge fan of watching Royals.  I’ll go with Harris due to the size component.
 

Not sure why you guys want to double down on 1T and draft Collins here. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I think sanders would be better for our D after the drafting of Grant 

Edited Monday at 06:18 PM by NewEra

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Agree on the tough spots and agree with the idea of moving down from 30 to get ammo to come up from 56.

 

i think hoping for 3 starters as rookies is a big ask for a team picking late and with only a few holes.  Hopefully, they can find a CB that starts this year (and plays well).  I would be satisfied after to get a good backup for Daquan Jones this year and starter next.  Another starter as a rookie would (I think) have to be at S or WR - don’t think other starting spots are open this season.

That’s fair and a much more eloquent way of saying what I was trying to get at. 🤣🤣 CB, they need a starter. They have a few other spots, DL & WR where they rotate and have different packages. They need, at least a guy at each of those positions that plays regular snaps. It doesn’t need to be 80% or anything like that but should contribute immediately. 

[Virgil]

Alright, it was a tough cut down, but we are down to our top 2.  Fortunately, we have another pick and poll soon.

 

If your player was eliminated, please select a new player.  

[OldTimer1960]

Voted Collins, but I probably would not take either him or Harris in these circumstances.  I like Collins, but he seems redundant with Grant (selected round 1).  With regards to Harris, just not sure I think he helps this team that much - rather have what I think would be a better player at another position- even if not a clear need at the moment.

[Kirby Jackson]

I voted Harris because drafting 2 1T would be insane. I’m not a fan of slow receivers either but alas, that’s what we came up with. 

[FireChans]

52 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

But don't you think you need to look at how the draft will play out as a whole?  

 

I think this exercise is showing the FO needs to do exactly that, look at the draft as a whole (or at least for the DL/CB portion) and not an isolated pick at a time.  By not taking a CB in the first people are not even considering taking one in the second because it seems like a reach at this point.  That's a bad position to be in.

Sure, but that’s for planning, not execution.

 

If you are saying “we may end up in CB wasteland if we pass on a near BPA CB in round one,” I agree. 
 

if your solution to that is to avoid that situation by not passing on a highly rated CB in the first, I can be convinced. 
 

If your backup solution is to reach for an early day 3 CB prospect in round 2, I don’t agree and can never ever be convinced.

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I voted Harris because drafting 2 1T would be insane. I’m not a fan of slow receivers either but alas, that’s what we came up with. 

We will get Beano his elite Devin Funchess/Kelvin Benjamin combos or die trying!

[MrEpsYtown]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I voted Harris because drafting 2 1T would be insane. I’m not a fan of slow receivers either but alas, that’s what we came up with. 

 

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Torn between Sanders and the WRs.  I think Harris is the better WR but i’m a huge fan of watching Royals.  I’ll go with Harris due to the size component.
 

Not sure why you guys want to double down on 1T and draft Collins here. 🤷🏻‍♂️ I think sanders would be better for our D after the drafting of Grant 

I don’t see Grant or Collins as pure 1 techs. Grant can play both and Collins can as well, in addition Collins can probably play a heavy 5 tech like a Calais Campbell with his length. Some draft people see Collins as a better three tech who can play 1 tech because he’s huge. Neither of those guys are pure 1 techs. I think they are versatile pieces. In my mind, on a team who rotates a ton, you get two versatile monsters in the interior to go along with Oliver, Larry O, maybe Carter. It also makes Jones expendable. 
 

Same way I feel about receivers and X, Zs and all that stuff. Get versatile pieces who can ball. 

 

Sanders is a pure 3 tech only who kinda just becomes the new Jordan Phillips and I am not down for another slow receiver with Harris. He would be like receiver 5 on the depth chart. Makes no sense at this point imo.  

Edited Monday at 06:38 PM by MrEpsYtown