Bills CB draft choice

[nosejob]

1 minute ago, finn said:

I like that Porter didn't draw any flags last year and didn't allow a touchdown. He's green as they get, but with his talent, I hope Beane drafts him. I suspect he won't, though, since he didn't draft Tariq Woolen, who had the same profile, in 2022. 

 

People say this year's draft is awful, but there are a lot of gems out there. 

And he turned out a helluva lot better than Elam. Didn't he last til like the 4th?

[MrEpsYtown]

I think it’s Amos or Hairston in round 1

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

I have that same feeling. 6'3 200 4:30 40 36.5" vertical. Willing blocker, secure tackling and ball hawk ability. Former receiver and track record holder. Lack of experience yes, but one more year in college probably gets him mid 1st...with this class anyway.

I always love posing these questions. If Porter has all of these traits, and I’m not disagreeing with you per se, Athleticism, willing tackler, scheme versatile, stats to back it up. You think he’s a day 1 starter, why do you believe that he will be available at 56 or 62 in an incredibly weak draft. 
 

These are the same questions I asked last year when people were like we need a 6’4 200 pound 4.3 sure handed WR at 30 last year. Those perfect prospects don’t grow on trees and they sure don’t last to pick 28, 30, 56, or 62 especially in what you defined as a weaker class. 
 

So one of two things is true. He’s either not going to last until 56, or he’s a more flawed prospect than you believe. I happen to think he doesn’t make it to 56 because of what you said but I’d like your opinion on this 

[finn]

11 minutes ago, nosejob said:

And he turned out a helluva lot better than Elam. Didn't he last til like the 4th?

That's right. My heart sinks whenever I see his name, especially since Beane probably could have had Elam AND Woolen if he had stayed put in the first round and used the fourth-rounder he gave up for Elam on Woolen (would have had to move up a bit). I didn't see any problems with Elam, but I really wanted Woolen. Tall, fast, great hands and instincts, terrific athlete...? Pass. 🥺

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, nosejob said:

Darien Porter pick 62. Address Dline 1st 2 picks. Joe Marino has a good write up on wgr550 website. Unteachable talents and traits. Should be a day 1 starter.

He’s my pick too, but not at 62.  If we draft 2 positions before corner, we best not miss on the guy we want.  I have a feeling all the 1Ts with the slightest pass rush ability and starting caliber CBs are going to be selected before our picks. 
 

 

No clue which one- but I’d be happy with any of them if we can land Grant or Harmon in rd 1

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I disagree on Revel. Yes he has the knee but the Bills know they are good, even if Revel isn’t his old self early in the year the Bills can still win a lot of games regardless. 

The Bills are very big on character. I told people this last year when everyone was shunning Coleman as a pick and how the Bills will love Coleman as a person. I think the same thing could be said about Revel. All reports are he’s a stand up guy that comes from a good family. 
 

Failed school in HS , went to JUCO and thought his career was over, went to the ECU camp while working full time at Amazon and impressed so much that ECU offered him with the contingency he got his grades up at JUCO. He got his grades up and bigger schools started offering but he stuck with ECU because they were the ones who gave him a shot to get out of working a normal job the rest of his life. Then he baled out and was off to a great start before blowing out his knee. He fits the Bills character MO to a tee 

I’m with you on most of this, but unless they sign a stop-gap vet, I think it’s hard for the Bills to wait on Revel or Morrison to get healthy and up to speed.  There is some chance that either could miss most or all of camp and be very delayed in being ready to help this year.  If they think Ingram and/or Jackson can play decently in case Revel isn’t ready at all next year, then great.  I’m not sure I would make that gamble.  Now, a team that isn’t a contender this season might be in better position to wait up to a season for either Revel or Morrison to recover and thereby get good value.

 

Just my view - I know there is room for contradictory opinions.

[gonzo1105]

Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

I’m with you on most of this, but unless they sign a stop-gap vet, I think it’s hard for the Bills to wait on Revel or Morrison to get healthy and up to speed.  There is some chance that either could miss most or all of camp and be very delayed in being ready to help this year.  If they think Ingram and/or Jackson can play decently in case Revel isn’t ready at all next year, then great.  I’m not sure I would make that gamble.  Now, a team that isn’t a contender this season might be in better position to wait up to a season for either Revel or Morrison to recover and thereby get good value.

 

Just my view - I know there is room for contradictory opinions.

I think they wouldn’t have to wait till 2026. What I’m saying is that the Bills in the 2025 regular season are going to win the vast majority of their games and they can do that with Jackson, another vet, or a mid round draft pick. 
 

Revel by all reports is going to be ready for training camp but if the Bills want to work him in slowly(which they have a history of doing) than they can afford to have Revel practice and learn and be a backup for the first half of the season while his knee continues to get stronger. 
 

I know that’s not a popular opinion for a first round pick around here but they need their guys ready for the playoffs more than week 1. We know this team is good 

[OldTimer1960]

Just now, gonzo1105 said:

I think they wouldn’t have to wait till 2026. What I’m saying is that the Bills in the 2025 regular season are going to win the vast majority of their games and they can do that with Jackson, another vet, or a mid round draft pick. 
 

Revel by all reports is going to be ready for training camp but if the Bills want to work him in slowly(which they have a history of doing) than they can afford to have Revel practice and learn and be a backup for the first half of the season while his knee continues to get stronger. 
 

I know that’s not a popular opinion for a first round pick around here but they need their guys ready for the playoffs more than week 1. We know this team is good 

I’m not opposed to the strategy you propose - if they are highly confident that Revel’s knee is trending positively and they are confident that Ingram/Jackson can hold the fort.  I’m just less optimistic that both Revel is ready as quickly as you suggest and less optimistic that Ingram/Jackson can play well enough to keep the defense afloat.  Of course, nobody has ever accused me of being very optimistic.  I want to be clear that I am glad that Jackson is back on the team - he is experienced depth, but if he couldn’t hold his job last year in Carolina what suggests he can do it here?

[OldTimer1960]

I think Azareye'h Thomas is someone who the Bills could be higher on than the draft pundits are.  He is experienced and quite young, described as smart and with a strong work ethic.  His 4.56 speed scares me, but the Bills seem to be willing to play CBs who don’t have excellent speed.  Thomas would be a disappointing pick at 30 based on the consensus ratings, but honestly it would not surprise me.

[Special K]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think it’s Amos or Hairston in round 1

 

I really hope the Bills take a DL(Grant, Nolen) at 30, then take a CB with one of the two 2nd rounders.

 

My preference would be Porter or Hairston, and I think the Bills will try to trade up in the 2nd round to secure the CB they want, IMO.

[OldTimer1960]

11 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

I really hope the Bills take a DL(Grant, Nolen) at 30, then take a CB with one of the two 2nd rounders.

 

My preference would be Porter or Hairston, and I think the Bills will try to trade up in the 2nd round to secure the CB they want, IMO.

I understand your view, but what ammo do they have to trade up far enough to get a decent CB in a not-great CB class?

 

if they give up 56&109&169 (late 2nd, mid 4th and late 5th) they might get to pick 46 or 47 - perhaps high enough to get the CB leftovers.  I would expect Amos to be gone by then, maybe you can pick from injury questions Revel and Morrison, Thomas and probably Porter.

[The Jokeman]

Amos feels like the safest pick. The question is he Round 1 or 2 value? Personally I prefer a NT in Round 1 vs later and Amos might not be there.

[OldTimer1960]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Amos feels like the safest pick. The question is he Round 1 or 2 value? Personally I prefer a NT in Round 1 vs later and Amos might not be there.

Most likely anyone still available at 30 is a 2nd round value.  I’ve heard it stated that there are usually only 20 “first round grades” in a class and I’ve also heard it opined that there are only 15-16 first round graded prospects in this class.

 

 

[BigAl2526]

I don't see the reason for a number of mocks slotting Azareye'h Thomas to Buffalo at #30.  He runs a 4.59 40 at a time when Buffalo needs to add some speed to their roster.  I'd be OK with Revel in round 1 or Amos/Morrison in round 2.  I could live with Thomas in round 2, but that still doesn't address a general lack of speed in the defensive backfield.

[GASabresIUFan]

Hairston.  I keep mocking the draft on ESPN's mock draft simulator and in nearly every time if I don't grab Hairston at 30, there is no left by 56.  As much as I like a DT at 30, CB has to be the pick.  

 

As to Hairston, I want him speed on the outside.

Edited Sunday at 08:21 PM by GASabresIUFan

[Special K]

59 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I understand your view, but what ammo do they have to trade up far enough to get a decent CB in a not-great CB class?

 

if they give up 56&109&169 (late 2nd, mid 4th and late 5th) they might get to pick 46 or 47 - perhaps high enough to get the CB leftovers.  I would expect Amos to be gone by then, maybe you can pick from injury questions Revel and Morrison, Thomas and probably Porter.

 

A dominant D-line is way more important than CB2.

 

Benford is CB1, and I don't see the Bills using a first round pick on the CB2 position......they could bring back Douglas, Tre White, or maybe even Gilmore as a one year stopgap if they miss out on the top CB talent, but I believe Porter will be there in the 2nd round.

[Warriorspikes51]

Darien Porter in Round 2

 

and/or

 

Zy Alexander in Round 4

 

 

5 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

A dominant D-line is way more important than CB2.

 

Benford is CB1, and I don't see the Bills using a first round pick on the CB2 position......they could bring back Douglas, Tre White, or maybe even Gilmore as a one year stopgap if they miss out on the top CB talent, but I believe Porter will be there in the 2nd round.

BINGO. 

[OldTimer1960]

5 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Darien Porter in Round 2

 

and/or

 

Zy Alexander in Round 4

 

 

BINGO. 

You’re banking on Zy Alexander in the mid-4th for a starting CB on a team that has Super Bowl aspirations?  I’m not aligned (I’m not saying that I am absolutely right).  
 

if they want to take a chance on Revel or Morrison at 30 and come back and take another CB in the mid-4th to have someone to compete if Revel/Morrison aren’t ready, then I think Alexander is a good option.

 

The argument that a dominant DL trumps CB has a bit of truth,but if Philly is your model for that argument- they had Mitchell and DeJean at CB in addition to their DL.  Further, no guarantee that either Harmon or Grant or Nolan aren’t there at 30.  If Harmon or Grant are there, I’d think hard about them, but neither is bringing Aaron Donald level pass rush.  

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

You’re banking on Zy Alexander in the mid-4th for a starting CB on a team that has Super Bowl aspirations?  I’m not aligned (I’m not saying that I am absolutely right).  
 

if they want to take a chance on Revel or Morrison at 30 and come back and take another CB in the mid-4th to have someone to compete if Revel/Morrison aren’t ready, then I think Alexander is a good option.

 

The argument that a dominant DL trumps CB has a bit of truth,but if Philly is your model for that argument- they had Mitchell and DeJean at CB in addition to their DL.  Further, no guarantee that either Harmon or Grant or Nolan aren’t there at 30.  If Harmon or Grant are there, I’d think hard about them, but neither is bringing Aaron Donald level pass rush.  

I’m signing a veteran or even trading a pick for one and letting a rookie(s) compete against them for CB2

 

we don’t need the DT to be Donald.  We need them to eat up 2 OL so Ed, Bosa and Greg can get to the QB.  
 

Ideally we get both a 1T + a big DT who can rush the passer as well

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I think they wouldn’t have to wait till 2026. What I’m saying is that the Bills in the 2025 regular season are going to win the vast majority of their games and they can do that with Jackson, another vet, or a mid round draft pick. 
 

Revel by all reports is going to be ready for training camp but if the Bills want to work him in slowly(which they have a history of doing) than they can afford to have Revel practice and learn and be a backup for the first half of the season while his knee continues to get stronger. 
 

I know that’s not a popular opinion for a first round pick around here but they need their guys ready for the playoffs more than week 1. We know this team is good 

I don't like "investing for the future" with the 1st three picks this year. I want sure fire impact players. At least conceptually when picking

Grab two corners after the 3rd pick Is my humble opinion  , partly because the Bills always bring them on slowly anyway lol.