Derek Carr, possibly out for 2025

[ExWNYer]

9 hours ago, T master said:

Saints can't buy q break .

 

They had more success than they deserved for years with Drew Brees. I don't feel sorry for them one iota.

[ColoradoBills]

9 hours ago, transient said:

I dunno, I'd call Carr's shoulder injury a break (no pun intended). He sucks and it's the perfect opportunity to move on.

 

They are stuck with him due to dead cap.

[transient]

32 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

They are stuck with him due to dead cap.

For this season or next? If he can’t play this season anyway, it’s a wash. Encourage him to get the surgery knowing that he’ll spend the season on IR and plan to part with him before next season. 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, transient said:

For this season or next? If he can’t play this season anyway, it’s a wash. Encourage him to get the surgery knowing that he’ll spend the season on IR and plan to part with him before next season. 

 

Both.  $80M this year and $59M next year.

NO loves to kick the cap back.  This is what you get when you do that.

[aristocrat]

41 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

They are stuck with him due to dead cap.

Id say the saints are addicted to dead cap. 

[transient]

26 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Both.  $80M this year and $59M next year.

NO loves to kick the cap back.  This is what you get when you do that.

What if they designate him post-June 1st next season?

[17islongenough]

Saints have needed a full rebuild since Brees has retired. Not sure why they have been kicking the can. Might be the best thing for them 

[Big Turk]

He sucks anyway what's the difference 

[BuffaloBillyG]

12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Staying in school would be possible but I think if the Saints pick 1, he comes out. The roots are so deep in that organization and city with that family. Arch lives less than 15 minutes from the practice facility and dome. The Prince who was promised

Im pretty sure the Saints will be able to find out if Archie is coming out wayyyyy before he declares. I think Old Arch may be willing to tip them off. If he's coming out next year...tank the season if you're NO. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Mike White for Chris Olive straight up … who’s with me?😂

[TBBills Fan]

32 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Mike White for Chris Olive straight up … who’s with me?😂

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

This seems to be the dilemma at the moment. Do they just punt on 2025 and try to get the hometown hero? Do they like Sanders or Dart enough to take them at 9 and start them right away? 

tank and eat the cap hits finally 

[ganesh]

16 hours ago, boco357 said:

I hear Trubisky likes Hurricanes from Pat O'Briens.  Start at a 2nd rounder.  Then we can talk.

Beane can get back his ever elusive 3rd round pick.

[GunnerBill]

16 hours ago, FireChans said:

Olave is a concussion away from retiring. 
 

How much would you give up for that kind of player?

 

Yea finding a deal that makes sense is the tricky thing for him. He is exceptionally talented though. I think I'd offer my first 4th and maybe a 3rd next year which on the meeting of conditions can be a 2nd? Something like that would be my offer. 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

Saints have needed a full rebuild since Brees has retired. Not sure why they have been kicking the can. Might be the best thing for them 

 

They kicked the can originally because the division was so weak. They felt two years ago like they could win the division and make the playoffs with a lower end starter like Carr. And the first year it should have worked they blew it at the end. Last year everyone got hurt and they were just bad. In the meantime it turned out the Mayfield Buccs were better than expected and now Carolina and Atlanta have their young QBs. It's time to take the medicine if you are the Saints. I wouldn't draft Shedeur as the Saints unless I honestly had a really high grade on him. If I though, as I actually do, he is just fine as a prospect but lacks special I'd begin the teardown and rebuild process.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 I wouldn't draft Shedeur as the Saints unless I honestly had a really high grade on him. If I though, as I actually do, he is just fine as a prospect but lacks special I'd begin the teardown and rebuild process

To me, that’s why I’d definitely take him. 
 

You’re not going anywhere anyway for 2 years. You definitely don’t have your QB of the future for those 2 years and beyond. What do you have to lose?

 

Sanders sucks and you win 2 games, so be it. Sanders is a solid rookie and you win 4 games, then fine. Sanders is like incredible and you win 7 or 8 then your future is brighter than it’s been since 2016.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, FireChans said:

To me, that’s why I’d definitely take him. 
 

You’re not going anywhere anyway for 2 years. You definitely don’t have your QB of the future for those 2 years and beyond. What do you have to lose?

 

Sanders sucks and you win 2 games, so be it. Sanders is a solid rookie and you win 4 games, then fine. Sanders is like incredible and you win 7 or 8 then your future is brighter than it’s been since 2016.

 

I think the roster is not just bad and old but so structurally unsound I think it needs two years to even get to the point where the future can look positive even if Shedeur is decent. If I am the Browns or the Giants I'd draft Sanders. If I am the Saints I'd take the chance to tear things down and bottom out. 

 

Ironically I think the Saints might be the most likely of the three to draft him.

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They kicked the can originally because the division was so weak. They felt two years ago like they could win the division and make the playoffs with a lower end starter like Carr. And the first year it should have worked they blew it at the end. Last year everyone got hurt and they were just bad. In the meantime it turned out the Mayfield Buccs were better than expected and now Carolina and Atlanta have their young QBs. It's time to take the medicine if you are the Saints. I wouldn't draft Shedeur as the Saints unless I honestly had a really high grade on him. If I though, as I actually do, he is just fine as a prospect but lacks special I'd begin the teardown and rebuild process.

I also think loomis wanted to prove he was the guy and not Bree’s/payton

 

He really wanted to win without them

[FireChans]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think the roster is not just bad and old but so structurally unsound I think it needs two years to even get to the point where the future can look positive even if Shedeur is decent. If I am the Browns or the Giants I'd draft Sanders. If I am the Saints I'd take the chance to tear things down and bottom out. 

 

Ironically I think the Saints might be the most likely of the three to draft him.

I really don't understand this concept ha.

 

Bottom out to do what? Eventually have a QB prospect fall in your lap in the top 10? That's what they have, right now.

 

Their cap situation SUCKS, no one can deny that. But it's getting easier .They aren't over the cap in 26 and they are basically free from a ton of their old money in 2027.

 

To me this is such a drought era Bills loser concept. Being 2 years away from being 2 years away, we'll take a QB next time, we aren't ready yet etc etc. Trading guys like Chris Olave away to draft other talented players in the top 10 that will get infected by your loser franchise culture for 2-3 years until you try to find a QB.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I really don't understand this concept ha.

 

Bottom out to do what? Eventually have a QB prospect fall in your lap in the top 10? That's what they have, right now.

 

Their cap situation SUCKS, no one can deny that. But it's getting easier .They aren't over the cap in 26 and they are basically free from a ton of their old money in 2027.

 

To me this is such a drought era Bills loser concept. Being 2 years away from being 2 years away, we'll take a QB next time, we aren't ready yet etc etc. Trading guys like Chris Olave away to draft other talented players in the top 10 that will get infected by your loser franchise culture for 2-3 years until you try to find a QB.

 

Bottom out to get a Quarterback prospect who deserves top 10 consideration not one who is getting one because the class is pretty weak.