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29 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

Look I really like the Fitz as a person but sometimes I get agitated at how much love he gets from the fanbase these days.

 

He had the nickname Picks-patrick or Fitz-tragic as a Bill for a reason.  

This is a take I agree with 100%...and I too like Fitz.  But him being built up as a football hero in Bills history was a product of how bad the 17 year drought was.  It reminds me of when we gave a way over the hill Terrell Owens a key to the city when he played here that one season.

 

If Fitz came around after Josh Allen it would have been looked at completely differently lol

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Posted
37 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

Look I really like the Fitz as a person but sometimes I get agitated at how much love he gets from the fanbase these days.

 

He had the nickname Picks-patrick or Fitz-tragic as a Bill for a reason.  

Oddly, lots of fans made Art Wander a cult hero here. So Fitz ain’t so bad.

Posted
1 hour ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

The drought era wasn’t really all that bad 

Username fits… :beer:

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Posted
17 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Perhaps JK is slightly overrated. The first SB the Bills should have won and the O didn’t produce. Having said that, stats from 86-96 and now are not comparable. Too many changes since to compare fairly. It is a very hot take but not sure I would go that direction. How about the year Ferguson played on one leg vs Chargers? That team would have won the SB with a healthy Fergy!! I’ll hang up and listen 😆 

I have a different take on that first SB and the JK era. Polian designed those teams to get the lead on offense and then rush the passer with Bruce and Biscuit. 

 

Consider that first SB, as the defense simply couldn't stop the run, period!  OJ Anderson owned the Bills that game. (ToP 40:33 to 19:37.)  Looking back at it Bills coaches should have paid more attention to what the NY Giants did to shut down the Joe Montana led 49ers in that NFC Championship game a 13-15 win. 

 

Anyway, I still can't believe that Bruce Smith had his hand on Jeff Hostetler's wrist...who had the ball ...in his hand...in the end zone! Ole Jeff just curled up around it and took the safety. Besides that, Scott Norwood didn't have the leg to kick a 47-yarder on grass. 

 

Looking back at those years the Bills teams besides the 90, they were so beaten up just getting by the tougher AFC teams to even get to an SB. 

 

Jim Kelly was one tough SoB and there is a real reason why he, Andre Reed, Thurman Thomas along with Marv are in the HoF. If I were to complain about those teams it would start with the defense and stopping the run. I wasn't a Walt Corey fan. The Buffalo offense was usually always in the top 10 with JK, TT, AR. 

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The Bills only realistically had a chance to win the first SB.  The other 3 were against better teams.

 

As for the first SB, I chalk it up mostly to the team, as was its wont back in the day, partying up until the wee hours of SB morning and being out of shape when game time rolled around.  I also think that Marchibroda should have told Kelly that they're not playing the run and to keep feeding Thurman until they do.

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Posted
18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think this is a fun offseason topic. What is your spiciest BIlls take? What is it that you believe that will trigger Bills fans?

 

I think Jim Kelly is one of the most overrated players in history. He was a very good QB. Historically, he was Jalen Hurts. Kirk Cousins numbers dwarf Kelly’s. He was the steward of an elite offense and did well with it. I am fine with him in the HOF but there are 30-40 QBs better.

 

What is your spicy take?


My spicy take is that this take isn’t even that spicy: just a fact

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Ok, this should get some flames: I think Cook is relatively easy to replace and last year was his career year — he's not gonna get close to 16 TDs ever again. He's good, just not great and if he leaves, no big deal.

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36 minutes ago, Heitz said:

Username fits… :beer:

 

1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said:

Maybe if you are comparing it to the Sabres drought 

Growing up with my first bills memory as the music city miracle, the drought gave me a chance to become a fan of the game of football and not a sole love for the Bills. It afforded me cheap tickets in high school and college. It gave us some amazing memories of ridiculous moments and individual players, and made us appreciate what we have now. 
 

Now pass me a beer

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Posted
3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Another spicy take, if the Bills fired McDermott after 13 seconds they would have a title by now.

Look I have absolutely no delusions of grandeur of me being any sort of great athlete.

 

That being said what made 13 seconds so hard to digest for me is it's not a stretch of the imagination that I could have completed those two passes Mahomes did to set up that field goal.  Even the second pass by him was just looking for the big man.

 

It's laughable to me to think of that as like some epic drive Mahomes led 

 

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

Anyway, I still can't believe that Bruce Smith had his hand on Jeff Hostetler's wrist...who had the ball ...in his hand...in the end zone! Ole Jeff just curled up around it and took the safety.

 

For some reason, I still consider that play more haunting than the missed kicked. 🤷‍♂️

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19 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

That’s what makes it spicy. Kelly isn’t in the league with Josh. 
 

edit: I can also tell how old someone is or how long they’ve followed the Bills by their Kelly takes. He was a borderline, top 5 player on those teams. He was Jalen Hurts. If you think he was better than that it is because your dad told you that. I never saw OJ play but my dad insists, with the possible exceptions of Bruce and Josh, he’s the best Bills player ever. Tom Sestak carries that status too for a lot of older folks. Kelly was better as a memory than as a player. He was closer to Fitz than to Josh.

Kelly played in an era where if you had 20 TD’s and 15 INT’s you could be a top 5 QB. Comparing stats is completely pointless. He was a hall of fame level QB in that era and is certainly in the conversation with Marino, Elway, Moon, Aikman, more than Esiason, Cunningham, Testaverde, Kosar, etc. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Doc said:

The Bills only realistically had a chance to win the first SB.  The other 3 were against better teams.

 

As for the first SB, I chalk it up mostly to the team, as was its wont back in the day, partying up until the wee hours of SB morning and being out of shape when game time rolled around.  I also think that Marchibroda should have told Kelly that they're not playing the run and to keep feeding Thurman until they do.

I don't think that's a hot take at all. 

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2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Kelly played in an era where if you had 20 TD’s and 15 INT’s you could be a top 5 QB. Comparing stats is completely pointless. He was a hall of fame level QB in that era and is certainly in the conversation with Marino, Elway, Moon, Aikman, more than Esiason, Cunningham, Testaverde, Kosar, etc. 

I usually agree with Kirby, but I guess you have to be a graybeard to know. The qualitative is not captured by the quantitative. 

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