What’s your hottest Bills take?

[BuffaloRebound]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s fair and I should have specified QB. I think that he’s a top 30 - 40 QB all-time. I also feel like Bills fans have him in the top 10-15. He had a great career and an accomplished career. Kelly just felt like more of a “piece” to why they were great instead of the reason.
 

I use the Jalen Hurts example and that’s not meant to be an insult. He’s been to 2 Super Bowls already and won 1. He’s been  an MVP candidate but is never considered to be the best in the game. It is more a function of being the QB on the best team. That was Kelly when he played. He was somewhere between the 4th-8th best QB in any given year (or something like that). He belongs in the HOF. Hurts may end up there too.

The Hurts comparison is where you lose me.  He walked into a stacked roster and there’s probably 12-15 other QB’s who could’ve won a super bowl with that Eagles team.  Heck, they’d be just as good with Justin Fields.  Kelly turned the entire franchise around.  Bills were the laughingstock of the NFL before Kelly.  He also routinely out-played and beat other Hall of Fame QB’s of his era.  

[T.E.]

The 2022 season would've had a much better outcome had we immediately forfeited the Hamlin game at Cincinnati and taken a loss rather than a "no contest."

[Augie]

15 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Honesty, I feel like if Marino was the QB instead of Kelly the Bills win 2 of those Super Bowls.

 

The Bills win the first one against the Giants if Kelly is willing to just hand the ball to Thurman more often. Thurman should have been SB MVP. 

 

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Edited yesterday at 02:06 PM by Augie

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

14 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

That’s what makes it spicy. Kelly isn’t in the league with Josh. 
 

edit: I can also tell how old someone is or how long they’ve followed the Bills by their Kelly takes. He was a borderline, top 5 player on those teams. He was Jalen Hurts. If you think he was better than that it is because your dad told you that. I never saw OJ play but my dad insists, with the possible exceptions of Bruce and Josh, he’s the best Bills player ever. Tom Sestak carries that status too for a lot of older folks. Kelly was better as a memory than as a player. He was closer to Fitz than to Josh.

 

I think Kelly was better than you're making him out to be, but can't completely argue with you either.  IMO comparing him to Josh is kind of pointless as the game, the rules, and the players around him have totally changed.  Probably Elway and Marino were the two best QB's of that same era, but don't think either of them can do the things Josh can do either.  Does that make them mediocre too, I don't think so?

 

I'd argue Thomas may have been as good as OJ, but again was used much differently again in a somewhat different game style.  To me the best player of all time was Jim Brown, though admittedly was only old enough to maybe watch his last year or too.  I probably saw more highlight film of him than actual games played.

[boater]

Doug Flutie was overrated.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

The Hurts comparison is where you lose me.  He walked into a stacked roster and there’s probably 12-15 other QB’s who could’ve won a super bowl with that Eagles team.  Heck, they’d be just as good with Justin Fields.  Kelly turned the entire franchise around.  Bills were the laughingstock of the NFL before Kelly.  He also routinely out-played and beat other Hall of Fame QB’s of his era.  

Hurts is somewhere between 5-8 probably. Kelly was after Marino, Elway, Montana/Young, Favre later, Moon, at times Cunningham, at times maybe even Aikman could have been ahead of him. Would those Bills teams not have won at least 1 with those guys? Hurts actually did win. We can say, “a lot of people would win with the Eagles.” We could have also said, “a lot of people could have won with those 90’s Bills teams.” The difference is Kelly couldn’t get the best roster in football a title. They were the Eagles of their day (especially the 1st year). Kelly was a very good player but not elite. I guess it’s spicy to think Hurts is a fair comparison but I believe it. 

Edited yesterday at 01:35 PM by Kirby Jackson

[Kirby Jackson]

Another spicy take, if the Bills fired McDermott after 13 seconds they would have a title by now.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Beef on whack is trash.
So are garbage plates. 
Not saying I hate them but they’re both very overrated.

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Another spicy take, if the Bills fired McDermott after 13 seconds they would have a title by now.

They also might have a title if Josh didn’t impregnate his girlfriend’s friend 👀 iykyk

[section122]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Another spicy take, if the Bills fired McDermott after 13 seconds they would have a title by now.

I was with you on kelly and agree with the takes on marv but can't agree with this one.

 

Here is mine: 

 

Brandon Beanes seat should be warmer because the Bills haven't had a super bowl winning roster in any year.  To take it a step further, every team the Bills have lost to in the playoffs had a better roster.

 

And another:

 

McDermott is a top 5 coach in this league.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

14 hours ago, US Egg said:

Hot take? 
 

Haile Steinfeld isn’t .

I wouldn’t say she has massive sex appeal but I would probably take her over Brittany. 
She’s classy and that’s attractive to me.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, section122 said:

I was with you on kelly and agree with the takes on marv but can't agree with this one.

 

Here is mine: 

 

Brandon Beanes seat should be warmer because the Bills haven't had a super bowl winning roster in any year.  To take it a step further, every team the Bills have lost to in the playoffs had a better roster.

 

And another:

 

McDermott is a top 5 coach in this league.

Can you imagine what Beane’s roster would look like if they called Josh Rosen instead of Josh Allen?

[US Egg]

51 minutes ago, boater said:

Doug Flutie was overrated.

Overrated while he played here? How?
 

Not much was expected given he was 36 and playing in the CFL the 8 seasons previous.

 

Bills were 6-10 year before he got here, then went 10-6 and made the playoffs with him playing the full season.
 

He won more than he lost in each season, starting 30 of 39 games he played and going 21-9.

Edited yesterday at 02:22 PM by US Egg

[T.E.]

34 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Hurts is somewhere between 5-8 probably. Kelly was after Marino, Elway, Montana/Young, Favre later, Moon, at times Cunningham, at times maybe even Aikman could have been ahead of him. Would those Bills teams not have won at least 1 with those guys? Hurts actually did win. We can say, “a lot of people would win with the Eagles.” We could have also said, “a lot of people could have won with those 90’s Bills teams.” The difference is Kelly couldn’t get the best roster in football a title. They were the Eagles of their day (especially the 1st year). Kelly was a very good player but not elite. I guess it’s spicy to think Hurts is a fair comparison but I believe it. 

Yeah, you lose all credibility on this topic the minute you start claiming that Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon were better than Kelly.

 

Cunningham and Moon never won a single important game in either of their entire careers. Moon's most famous playoff performance involved getting outgunned by Jim Kelly's backup.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Yeah, you lose all credibility on this topic the minute you start claiming that Randall Cunningham and Warren Moon were better than Kelly.

 

Cunningham and Moon never won a single important game in either of their entire careers. Moon's most famous playoff performance involved getting outgunned by Jim Kelly's backup.

That’s the beauty of an opinion. We are all entitled to them. Moon was as good as Kelly. Cunningham was not (at least consistently). Cunningham at his best was better than Kelly at his best (see 1998).

[T.E.]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s the beauty of an opinion. We are all entitled to them. Moon was as good as Kelly. Cunningham was not (at least consistently). Cunningham at his best was better than Kelly at his best (see 1998).

Moon played in an offense where they threw 80% of the time, which allowed him to compile stats. Never could win in the playoffs, despite having loaded rosters every year.

 

Cunningham had one good year throwing bombs to Randy Moss and Cris Carter. Jeff George did the exact same thing with that offense the very next season, and Daunte Culpepper did so too after George. He will never sniff the HOF.

[BuffaloRebound]

58 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Hurts is somewhere between 5-8 probably. Kelly was after Marino, Elway, Montana/Young, Favre later, Moon, at times Cunningham, at times maybe even Aikman could have been ahead of him. Would those Bills teams not have won at least 1 with those guys? Hurts actually did win. We can say, “a lot of people would win with the Eagles.” We could have also said, “a lot of people could have won with those 90’s Bills teams.” The difference is Kelly couldn’t get the best roster in football a title. They were the Eagles of their day (especially the 1st year). Kelly was a very good player but not elite. I guess it’s spicy to think Hurts is a fair comparison but I believe it. 

Moon being better than Kelly?  C’mon.  And those Marino Miami teams were as stacked as the 90’s Bills teams and we smoked them every year because our QB was twice as tough as theirs.  

[Another Fan]

Look I really like the Fitz as a person but sometimes I get agitated at how much love he gets from the fanbase these days.

 

He had the nickname Picks-patrick or Fitz-tragic as a Bill for a reason.  

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, T.E. said:

Moon played in an offense where they threw 80% of the time, which allowed him to compile stats. Never could win in the playoffs, despite having loaded rosters every year.

 

Cunningham had one good year throwing bombs to Randy Moss and Cris Carter. Jeff George did the exact same thing with that offense the very next season, and Daunte Culpepper did so too after George. He will never sniff the HOF.

Cunningham was PFWA MVP in 1990 & NFC OPOY too. He was an all-pro in 1988 as well. He wasn’t consistently great but he wasn’t 1 great year like Mark Rypien. 

16 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Moon being better than Kelly?  C’mon.  And those Marino Miami teams were as stacked as the 90’s Bills teams and we smoked them every year because our QB was twice as tough as theirs.  

Moon and Kelly are at least in the same tier. Marino is not. Hurts isn’t in the tier with Burrow, Mahomes, Allen and Lamar. Those Miami teams were good. Those Bills teams were historic. The Bills roster was a lot better. Miami had the better QB.

[HappyDays]

The Pats dynasty never bothered me. If anything I'm glad it happened when it did because the Bills were going to be irrelevant during those years regardless.

[frostbitmic]

28 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

Look I really like the Fitz as a person but sometimes I get agitated at how much love he gets from the fanbase these days.

 

He had the nickname Picks-patrick or Fitz-tragic as a Bill for a reason.  

I like Fitz the fan more than Fitz the player. This guy shows up to nightime snowglobe games and goes shirtless (granted under the heaters) That to me is a fan. He has plenty of former teams he could be a fan of, he chose the Bills.