What’s your hottest Bills take?

[galept]

3 hours ago, H2o said:

I'm not saying Kelly sucks. That's you putting words in my mouth. One thing Kelly did though, choke in the SB. He had 2 passing TD's in four games to 7 INT's. He got hurt early in the first Dallas SB, but had already managed to throw 2 INT's before that. His only two passing TD's in the SB came in garbage time against Washington when the game was already out of reach. 

 

I do believe that if you put Marino in a Bills uni then we get two SB's. It's not laughable. Marino was a a better QB than Kelly. Just my 2. 

 

Didn't Kelly win all three of their meetings in the playoffs? I'm not sure I'd switch.

[rusty shackleford]

Ralph wasn’t that cheap.

[T.E.]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Not sure if this has been said yet, but:

 

I believe that Eric Moulds was every bit as good as his draft classmates Terrell Owens and Marvin Harrison, and that the Bills more or less ruined what would have been a Hall of Fame caliber career almost anywhere else through a combination of bad quarterbacking, bad coaching, and overall organizational incompetence.

98-99 Moulds was every bit as good as Andre Reed. Those two seasons of his were probably the high point of Bills WR play.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 4/11/2025 at 5:54 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I think this is a fun offseason topic. What is your spiciest BIlls take? What is it that you believe that will trigger Bills fans?

 

I think Jim Kelly is one of the most overrated players in history. He was a very good QB. Historically, he was Jalen Hurts. Kirk Cousins numbers dwarf Kelly’s. He was the steward of an elite offense and did well with it. I am fine with him in the HOF but there are 30-40 QBs better.

 

What is your spicy take?

“Overrated” and yet still “very good.” You are also fine with him being a HOFer…this is all an interesting juxtaposition! 
 

I agree 💯 with everything you’ve said except for “overrated.” Also, you know we can’t play the this or that QB is better game between eras when the rules are also radically different between multiple eras—to be fair you have to view each QB through the lens of their own peers/era…and for that Kelly was easily in the top tier for the majority of his career. IMHO, of course. 

[Comebackkid]

On 4/12/2025 at 11:37 AM, Wizard said:

The NFL is run much like the WWE.

The Nfl is the guy that watches porn after his wife goes to bed and doesnt say a word.

WWE is the guy that watches porn in the living room with his wife with the curtains open hoping 

the neighbors catch a good peek.

[Richard Noggin]

22 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I HATE the standing bison logo & the throwback helmets to boot.

 

In fact, I dislike white helmets altogether. Love the current unis & colors, love the charging bison logo, but that standing bison just reminds me of helpless sitting target plains bison that got mass slaughtered by the millions, going from 60 million+ down to a few hundred.

 

Yeah, yeah, it's nostalgic & old school, but damn if I don't hate it. 

 

Edit: And while I'm digging my own grave, Hailee Steinfeld isn't that good looking. Josh's old gf was hotter 😂

 

 

 

His ex was plastic and constructed to be appealing to insta dummies. 

[Bill from NYC]

Marv Levy is WAY overrated as a coach, and probably the worst GM in modern day football. Just absolutely terrible.

 

This is not to say he is not a good person. He is and I wish him the best. 

 

Sorry, but you asked.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Marv Levy is WAY overrated as a coach, and probably the worst GM in modern day football. Just absolutely terrible.

 

This is not to say he is not a good person. He is and I wish him the best. 

 

Sorry, but you asked.

 

 

 

He was never actually the GM in anything but name though, was he? Tom Modrak was running those drafts from home with Russ Brandon as his lacky on the end of a telephone. Marv, bless him, slept through scouting meetings and was not even present in the draft room for multiple picks in his first draft. 

[Bill from NYC]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He was never actually the GM in anything but name though, was he? Tom Modrak was running those drafts from home with Russ Brandon as his lacky on the end of a telephone. Marv, bless him, slept through scouting meetings and was not even present in the draft room for multiple picks in his first draft. 

He hired his clone (Jauron) and together concentrated on defensive backs above all else. The 2006 draft was as bad as could possibly be, other than Kyle Williams who we lucked into in round 5. Even Kyle was placed at the nose where he did bot belong and didn't play well until he was moved. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

He hired his clone (Jauron) and together concentrated on defensive backs above all else. The 2006 draft was as bad as could possibly be, other than Kyle Williams who we lucked into in round 5. Even Kyle was placed at the nose where he did bot belong and didn't play well until he was moved. 

Oooh that brings up another good one!

 

Kyle Williams is a very overrated Bill. He’s probably my favorite Bill but he was basically Ed Oliver-tier on a team without any talent around him. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Bill from NYC said:

He hired his clone (Jauron) and together concentrated on defensive backs above all else. The 2006 draft was as bad as could possibly be, other than Kyle Williams who we lucked into in round 5. Even Kyle was placed at the nose where he did bot belong and didn't play well until he was moved. 

 

Yea - hiring Jauron you can put legitimately on Marv. And indirectly, I'm sure Jauron had an impact on their draft... so that is true but that was the extent of Marv's influence on the draft. Modrak was the GM. Brandon was the Assistant GM. Marv was just the palatable front man. He wasn't even in the draft room when the Bills traded up for McCargo. That's how much actual influence he had. 

[Gregg]

20 hours ago, H2o said:

I think Marino gets at least two SB's here as well, if not three. Marino didn't have the defense behind him that Kelly had, and he SURELY never had an in-his-prime Thurman Thomas. I also think our collection of WR's was better than Miami's when Buffalo was running the division. 

 

The only Super Bowl the Bills should have won was the Giants game. The Bills were the better team but credit the Giants for executing the perfect game plan in hogging the ball for 40 minutes. Maybe if the Bills would have given the ball more to Thurman, they probably win even though they only had the ball 20 minutes. Thurman was having a great game that day. The Redskins just physically kicked the crap out of the Bills and the Cowboys at that point were the better team. Although the Bills did have a chance to pull off the upset leading 13-6 at half in the Super Bowl rematch but once it was tied then things went downhill very quickly.

[corta765]

16 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Corta that’s impossible! Ralph being cheap is the first answer to every Buffalo Bills related question. The second is of course Zach Ertz. 

 My hottest take actually is the Bills with John Butler still as GM never would've had a drought longer than 5 years. That firing/loss was maybe the single biggest domino of the entire drought.

[Thrivefourfive]

On 4/13/2025 at 5:58 PM, buffblue said:

His arm wasn't anywhere close to Marino and Elway, and it faded badly in his early 30's. There is a reason he retired at 36. He was physically spent his last 2 seasons.

Kelly had a stronger arm than Marino. Ask Dan. Elway had one of the strongest arms ever. Just dislikin’ and typin’, @buffblue

[Big Turk]

On 4/11/2025 at 5:54 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I think this is a fun offseason topic. What is your spiciest BIlls take? What is it that you believe that will trigger Bills fans?

 

I think Jim Kelly is one of the most overrated players in history. He was a very good QB. Historically, he was Jalen Hurts. Kirk Cousins numbers dwarf Kelly’s. He was the steward of an elite offense and did well with it. I am fine with him in the HOF but there are 30-40 QBs better.

 

What is your spicy take?

 

Different Era.  Trying to compare stats from the current era to that era is nonsensical. Aikman and Young are in the HOF as well with fewer yards than Kelly

Edited 8 hours ago by Big Turk

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Different Era.  Trying to compare stats from the current era to that era is nonsensical. Aikman and Young are in the HOF as well with fewer yards than Kelly

Sorry for the confusion. I was not trying to compare stats from different eras. I brought up the Cousins stats as an illustration as to why you can’t compare stats from different eras. 

[Another Fan]

10 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

The only Super Bowl the Bills should have won was the Giants game. The Bills were the better team but credit the Giants for executing the perfect game plan in hogging the ball for 40 minutes. Maybe if the Bills would have given the ball more to Thurman, they probably win even though they only had the ball 20 minutes. Thurman was having a great game that day. The Redskins just physically kicked the crap out of the Bills and the Cowboys at that point were the better team. Although the Bills did have a chance to pull off the upset leading 13-6 at half in the Super Bowl rematch but once it was tied then things went downhill very quickly.

In retrospect while the Bills should have won Super Bowl 25......  the G-Men that year were a lot better team people give the credit for.  Plus they had Super Bowl experience a few years before.  Too me it wasn't like a big upset the Giants won that day.

 

 

Super Bowl 28 is the one years later that still really hurts the most.  Even in Super Bowl 27 you had the Beebe hustle play at the end.....  like that never give up attitude.  Once it was 13-13 the team did just that 

[Orlando Buffalo]

On 4/14/2025 at 8:06 PM, T.E. said:

98-99 Moulds was every bit as good as Andre Reed. Those two seasons of his were probably the high point of Bills WR play.

I do think Moulds is underrated, primarily because he had poor QB play but still was a stud. His playoff performance is still the top yards ever. 

I still believe that EJ Manuel would have been a good QB if given a decent support system from the coaching. His two best games were his first two and then he started to turtle up. If he has been allowed to work out his kinks as a rookie I believe he would have been a top 12 QB for many years. Top 12 is not winning SB but I still blame coaching. 

[QB Bills]

1. Josh Allen is the most physically gifted QB to ever step foot on an NFL field

2. Sean McDermott is the unsung hero of the Chiefs dynasty

3. God actually did make Stevie drop that pass in OT

4. Kaiir Elam is going to have a productive career in Dallas. Okay maybe not..

5. Dawson Knox is and always has been a far superior player to Kincaid in every aspect, including receiving.