What’s your hottest Bills take?

[Another Fan]

I'm not saying the Shout song needs to go or be retired.  But at the same time I would be open to hear replacement Bills anthems for after the Bills after they get some points on the board.  I stress the words open to hearing replacement anthems.  Not that the Shout song needs to go.  

Edited yesterday at 12:30 AM by Another Fan

[buffblue]

On 4/11/2025 at 5:54 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I think this is a fun offseason topic. What is your spiciest BIlls take? What is it that you believe that will trigger Bills fans?

 

I think Jim Kelly is one of the most overrated players in history. He was a very good QB. Historically, he was Jalen Hurts. Kirk Cousins numbers dwarf Kelly’s. He was the steward of an elite offense and did well with it. I am fine with him in the HOF but there are 30-40 QBs better.

 

What is your spicy take?

I have Kelly somewhere in the 25-30 range, which is obviously nothing to sneeze at. He is worthy of being in the HOF but was only truly elite for 2 seasons (1990 & 1991). He had some clutch moments but plenty of big game duds as well. The edge that Kelly had over almost all of his contemporaries was his physical toughness which is nearly unmatched at the qb position in NFL history.

[Thrivefourfive]

44 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

A Hot Take is a personal opinion. If you said "I think he'll trade Cook", that'd be a take. You stated flat out he has things lined up.

Right, everything in this thread is a hot take. That’s the topic. So everything we should state is a hot take. My hot take post in the hot take thread was a personal opinion stated, because that’s what a hot take is: a personal opinion.

 

🤣🤣 I kid I kid. But you understand.. (hot take)

 

11 minutes ago, buffblue said:

I have Kelly somewhere in the 25-30 range, which is obviously nothing to sneeze at. He is worthy of being in the HOF but was only truly elite for 2 seasons (1990 & 1991). He had some clutch moments but plenty of big game duds as well. The edge that Kelly had over almost all of his contemporaries was his physical toughness which is nearly unmatched at the qb position in NFL history.

Nah. His arm strength and quick decision making. It’s cool he was tough. Very cool. But he could spin it at the Rich, and that isn’t easy. If he couldn’t do that, wouldn’t have matter if he was John McPhee tough… he woulda been out of Buffalo in three seasons. 
 

Edited yesterday at 12:50 AM by Thrivefourfive
I take it all back @BillsFanForever19 I understand what you’re saying now, but I still think what I wrote is a hot take because it’s BS and it’s in this thread. But I get what you’re saying :End Edit

[buffblue]

13 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Right, everything in this thread is a hot take. That’s the topic. So everything we should state is a hot take. My hot take post in the hot take thread was a personal opinion stated, because that’s what a hot take is: a personal opinion.

 

🤣🤣 I kid I kid. But you understand.. (hot take)

 

Nah. His arm strength and quick decision making. It’s cool he was tough. Very cool. But he could spin it at the Rich, and that isn’t easy. If he couldn’t do that, wouldn’t have matter if he was John McPhee tough… he woulda been out of Buffalo in three seasons. 
 

His arm wasn't anywhere close to Marino and Elway, and it faded badly in his early 30's. There is a reason he retired at 36. He was physically spent his last 2 seasons.

[BillsPride12]

16 minutes ago, buffblue said:

His arm wasn't anywhere close to Marino and Elway, and it faded badly in his early 30's. There is a reason he retired at 36. He was physically spent his last 2 seasons.

He also suffered a shoulder injury in college that probably derailed some of his natural arm strength.  Didn't have the same arm strength of Elway and Marino but let's not act like he didn't have an arm on him

[Maine-iac]

44 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

I'm not saying the Shout song needs to go or be retired.  But at the same time I would be open to hear replacement Bills anthems for after the Bills after they get some points on the board.  I stress the words open to hearing replacement anthems.  Not that the Shout song needs to go.  

Listened to this on repeat after beating Baltimore.  Then we lost to the Chiefs but I still like the song.

 

[Maine-iac]

Kelly had the same career TD percentage on throws versus Marino.  Higher completion percentage and higher yards per attempt.  He played 160 games vs 240 but percentage wise on the same throws he had more completions, as many TD's, and more yards than Marino.   Elway isn't even close.  If Elway hadn't finished his career with a couple of SB seasons it wouldn't even be suggested he was near Kelly.  Elway had about as much to do with Denver's SB wins as Manning did with the 2015 Broncos.  He was good for maybe one good game in each playoff run.   Bubby Brister went 4 and 0 with that 98 Broncos team. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, buffblue said:

I have Kelly somewhere in the 25-30 range, which is obviously nothing to sneeze at. He is worthy of being in the HOF but was only truly elite for 2 seasons (1990 & 1991). He had some clutch moments but plenty of big game duds as well. The edge that Kelly had over almost all of his contemporaries was his physical toughness which is nearly unmatched at the qb position in NFL history.

I think he'd be more highly regarded if he didn't got to the USFL after college.  Three years of NFL experience in a less banged up body would've definitely added to the resume and maybe he could've met that elite status earlier than '90.

[TwoFlocksofFury]

Josh Allen ain't *****

[Mikie2times]

2 hours ago, buffblue said:

I have Kelly somewhere in the 25-30 range, which is obviously nothing to sneeze at. He is worthy of being in the HOF but was only truly elite for 2 seasons (1990 & 1991). He had some clutch moments but plenty of big game duds as well. The edge that Kelly had over almost all of his contemporaries was his physical toughness which is nearly unmatched at the qb position in NFL history.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_career.htm
 

Factoring in era, it would be very hard to not put Kelly in the Top 20. I would even say top 15. Obviously this list is saturated by more modern QB’s taking advantage of rule changes. But Kelly still ranks at 32 and it is VERY easy to disqualify at least half the player ahead of him on obvious grounds. Now if we want to start getting into the Otto Grahams of the world, sure, but I don’t know how you can compare those guys. But would I take Jim over say, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, Phil Simms, Esiason, Fouts, Rivers, on it goes. The point is even not being in the class of Marino and Elways still leaves plenty of room to be in the top 15. At which point how overrated can he be? 

Edited yesterday at 03:25 AM by Mikie2times

[Richard Noggin]

Jim Kelly's throwing motion is awful. 

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_career.htm
 

Factoring in era, it would be very hard to not put Kelly in the Top 20. I would even say top 15. Obviously this list is saturated by more modern QB’s taking advantage of rule changes. But Kelly still ranks at 32 and it is VERY easy to disqualify at least half the player ahead of him on obvious grounds. Now if we want to start getting into the Otto Grahams of the world, sure, but I don’t know how you can compare those guys. But would I take Jim over say, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman, Phil Simms, Esiason, Fouts, Rivers, on it goes. The point is even not being in the class of Marino and Elways still leaves plenty of room to be in the top 15. At which point how overrated can he be? 

One other thing that I think puts Kelly in the teens of all time greats is the innovation of the K-gun.  The no huddle offense wasn't just for end of half/end of game situations anymore.  They played more spread than any team in the league at the time too (I believe) with usually three WR's, McKeller/Metzelaars, and Thurman.  It's a high risk proposition because you risk taking a quick three and out and risk wearing your defense out.  The reward was it exploited defensive mismatches and forced the defense into more vanilla play calls.  It's difficult to maintain that kind of tempo throughout a game especially when you're calling your own plays.  Kelly did a good job of mixing up the run, screen passes, and regular passes to matriculate the ball down the field while wearing defenses out.  I thought his accuracy is a little better than Allen's and his deep ball was too.  I think Allen will pass him in the next couple of years but I'm not ready to say he's better yet.

[BigDingus]

I HATE the standing bison logo & the throwback helmets to boot.

 

In fact, I dislike white helmets altogether. Love the current unis & colors, love the charging bison logo, but that standing bison just reminds me of helpless sitting target plains bison that got mass slaughtered by the millions, going from 60 million+ down to a few hundred.

 

Yeah, yeah, it's nostalgic & old school, but damn if I don't hate it. 

 

Edit: And while I'm digging my own grave, Hailee Steinfeld isn't that good looking. Josh's old gf was hotter 😂

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:44 AM by BigDingus

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I HATE the standing bison logo & the throwback helmets to boot.

 

In fact, I dislike white helmets altogether. Love the current unis & colors, love the charging bison logo, but that standing bison just reminds me of helpless sitting target plains bison that got mass slaughtered by the millions, going from 60 million+ down to a few hundred.

 

Yeah, yeah, it's nostalgic & old school, but damn if I don't hate it. 

 

Edit: And while I'm digging my own grave, Hailee Steinfeld isn't that good looking. Josh's old gf was hotter 😂

 

 

For my own entertainment, I want the Bills to announce that they're bringing back the red helmets for one game.  And then it's announced several days before the game we see them in the drought era 2000's arena league jerseys.

[BillsFanForever19]

45 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

For my own entertainment, I want the Bills to announce that they're bringing back the red helmets for one game.  And then it's announced several days before the game we see them in the drought era 2000's arena league jerseys.

 

Oh - that's another hot take!

 

I, uh... I actually liked those Arena League looking jerseys 🥺

[Nineforty]

The hottest Bill would be Milano, for me. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

The hottest Bill would be Milano, for me. 

 

100%. No contest since Stef left.

[Chandler#81]

Bring back the Jills!

[Prospector]

Rosati's in NW Las Vegas has better hot wings than anywhere in Buffalo... 

[Augie]

44 minutes ago, Prospector said:

Rosati's in NW Las Vegas has better hot wings than anywhere in Buffalo... 

 

Thank you for chiming in, Mr Rosati. 

 

😊

 

Wings really should not be so hard. A flabby wing is disgusting and there should be severe penalties for serving them like that.