What’s your hottest Bills take?

[damj]

Tyler Bass just had an off year and will be money in 2025

[Gregg]

8 hours ago, damj said:

Tyler Bass just had an off year and will be money in 2025

 

It's hard to kick in Buffalo in many games with the wind, rain, and snow. With the way the new stadium is being designed I hope it can at least cut down on the windy conditions to make it easier for Bass and future Buffalo kickers. 

[Nihilarian]

On 4/15/2025 at 6:48 AM, Bill from NYC said:

Marv Levy is WAY overrated as a coach, and probably the worst GM in modern day football. Just absolutely terrible.

 

This is not to say he is not a good person. He is and I wish him the best. 

 

Sorry, but you asked.

That was a very strange time in Buffalo Bills history, and the Bills' owner, Ralph Wilson, who was a very "hands-on" owner. Simply put, the entire NFL world knew about this notoriously cantankerous and frugal owner, and he had a difficult time finding a solid, suitable man to fill that Buffalo GM role. As others have mentioned, the "marketing guy was the de facto GM (Russ Brandon), and all Wilson wanted was a figurehead GM. Ralph hired his old friend in Marv Levy. 

 

Let's also not forget that that particular owner was very much like the Dallas Cowboys owner in Jerry Jones in that, while not the literal GM, he was in the draft room making "his" choices for players. The man loved him some running backs and defensive backs. 

 

While very frugal at times, Ralph Wilson had a big heart, as in for that first Super Bowl in Tampa, he took everyone associated with the team from ball boys to the office staff to that game, he then learned that getting to a SB is very expensive. Also, every time a team gets to a SB everyone involved thinks they now need a raise. 

 

Yes, Marv Levy did choose Dick Jauron as HC...but alas, his other choices were shot down by the owner. Just to give you an idea of how "hands-on" Wilson was...during the NFL regular season, he was on the phone to Jauron every day from Detroit discussing the team. 

 

 

When Bills GM Buddy Nix wanted to hire a new head coach, he found out that anyone who was a quality candidate didn't want to work in Buffalo for this owner. The reason why someone like Chan Gailey was hired as the new HC by Nix was because during the interview, he told the owner that he could win games in the NFL without star players. Nix couldn't get assistant coaches to interview for the job. 

 

Gailey was the Miami Dolphin's OC in 2000-2001 and left the NFL to be a college coach (GT). He returned to the NFL in 2008 to be the KC Chiefs OC and was out of football for a season before being hired as the new Buffalo Bills HC. So, how does a guy who gets fired by his last team as an OC and sits out for a year get a new job as an NFL Head coach?

 

The Marketing guy becomes the GM...HC Rex Ryan was stunned to find Russ Brandon in the Buffalo Bill's cut room during training camp on the phone to players. Was there any wonder why Buffalo had a near 20 year drought for such a dysfunctional franchise? Still better than Cleveland 🤣

[Bermuda Triangle]

On 4/14/2025 at 2:49 PM, FireChans said:

Haha are we talking Jimbo?

Marino was sub .500 in the playoffs.

 

He was slinging it in the '92 AFC Championship Game.  Nice job of stat padding by throwing a meaningless 4th quarter TD, though.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199301170mia.htm

Edited Wednesday at 02:23 PM by Bermuda Triangle

[FireChans]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

Marino was sub .500 in the playoffs.

 

He was slinging it in the '92 AFC Championship Game, though.  Nice job of stad padding by throwing a meaningless 4th quarter TD, though.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199301170mia.htm

Kelly has more INT's than TD's in the playoffs.

 

When discussing HoF QBs that went from regular season stud to postseason dud, Jimbo is right up there.

[Bermuda Triangle]

Just now, FireChans said:

Kelly has more INT's than TD's in the playoffs.

 

When discussing HoF QBs that went from regular season stud to postseason dud, Jimbo is right up there.

Kelly only threw for >30 TDs in a season once in his career, and never threw for >4000 yards in a season.  

 

Perhaps Kelly threw more INTs than TDs in the playoffs because his team played more playoff games against better playoff competition? 

 

Gotta love Marino's robust 56% completion percentage in the playoffs

[JP51]

On 4/11/2025 at 6:17 PM, GunnerBill said:

My hot take is that Sean McDermott would have taken at least 4 of the Bills drought teams to the playoffs - 2004, 2008, 2014 and 2015.

Now this is gonna be controversial... I think McD would have won at least 1 Superbowl... I dont think Levy was all that good... 

[BigDingus]

On 4/15/2025 at 12:26 AM, Richard Noggin said:

 

His ex was plastic and constructed to be appealing to insta dummies. 

 

And his current one cakes on a mountain of makeup & looks even more fake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FireChans]

Just now, Bermuda Triangle said:

Kelly only threw for >30 TDs in a season once in his career, and never threw for >4000 yards in a season.  

 

Perhaps Kelly threw more INTs than TDs in the playoffs because his team played more playoff games against better playoff competition? 

 

Gotta love Marino's robust 56% completion percentage in the playoffs

Kelly played less playoff games than Marino lol.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm#1988-1996-sum:passing_post

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm#1983-1999-sum:passing_post

 

You can hang your hat on 3% completion percentage difference, I'll hang my hat on 11 more TD's and 4 less INT's.

 

5.1 INT% is nasty work.

 

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Now this is gonna be controversial... I think McD would have won at least 1 Superbowl... I dont think Levy was all that good... 

 

He can't even get to the Super Bowl with Allen. Parcells, Gibbs, Johnson would have outcoached him just like Reid does in the playoffs.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Now this is gonna be controversial... I think McD would have won at least 1 Superbowl... I dont think Levy was all that good... 

 

I can't comment on Levy as a coach. Before my time. 

[JP51]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

He can't even get to the Super Bowl with Allen. Parcells, Gibbs, Johnson would have outcoached him just like Reid does in the playoffs.

I was waiting for this... LOL... didnt feel like it was an all in take  my response would be those superbowl teams may have been THE most talented teams we have ever seen....  So McD gets Kelly, Reed, Lofton and Thomas... in that group I only put JA as better then our current team... Oline comparable... Defense he gets HOF Bruce Smith, All pro Bennett, Conlan, Talley, L. Smith and excellent Nate Odomes and Kazoo at safety...   I think he finds a way to get one done with those guys... jmo

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, JP51 said:

I was waiting for this... LOL... didnt feel like it was an all in take  my response would be those superbowl teams may have been THE most talented teams we have ever seen....  So McD gets Kelly, Reed, Lofton and Thomas... in that group I only put JA as better then our current team... Oline comparable... Defense he gets HOF Bruce Smith, All pro Bennett, Conlan, Talley, L. Smith and excellent Nate Odomes and Kazoo at safety...   I think he finds a way to get one done with those guys... jmo

 

Maybe the Giants game. The Redskins just physically kicked the Bills asses, and the Cowboys were the better team at that point. I don't think he would have gotten wins over the Redskins and Cowboys. So maybe 1-3 in those games.

[JP51]

Just now, Gregg said:

 

Maybe the Giants game. The Redskins just physically kicked the Bills asses, and the Cowboys were the better team at that point. I don't think he would have gotten wins over the Redskins and Cowboys. So maybe 1-3 in those games.

I think that is exactly the one I am thinking... we really were not as good as the Skins and Cowboys IMO the Giants on the other hand... that was one of the greatest coaching a%% kickings of all time... I feel like he gets that one done... 

[Gregg]

48 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I think that is exactly the one I am thinking... we really were not as good as the Skins and Cowboys IMO the Giants on the other hand... that was one of the greatest coaching a%% kickings of all time... I feel like he gets that one done... 

 

Exactly. So close in that game and not just with the missed FG at the end. When Hostetler got sacked in the endzone by Smith and held onto the ball for a safety. If he fumbles there, then 12-3 could have been 17-3 if the Bills recovered. Then in the 2nd half a Giants receiver (forgot who) breaks 5 or 6 tackles for a first down and they eventually score to get back in the game. That was and still is the most painful loss in Bills history. Nothing comes close not even 13 seconds or MCM.

Edited Wednesday at 03:35 PM by Gregg

[JP51]

13 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Exactly. So close in that game and not just with the missed FG at the end. When Hostetler got sacked in the endzone by Smith and held onto the ball for a safety. If he fumbles there, then 12-3 could have been 17-3 if the Bills recovered. Then in the 2nd half a Giants receiver (forgot who) breaks 5 or 6 tackles for a first down and they eventually score to get back in the game. That was and still is the most painful loss in Bills history. Nothing comes close not even 13 seconds of MCM.

Truth and in the end... with a 2 man defensive front daring us to run the ball... I am fairly certain that McD would have absolutely taken that advantage... that Levy did not will go down as one of the greatest failures due to stubborn arrogance as I can ever remember. 

[gonzo1105]

I don’t know if this was already said or not but the Bills 4 SB appearances mostly happened not because the Bills were dominant but because the AFC was incredibly weak during that era 

[Bermuda Triangle]

28 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Kelly played less playoff games than Marino lol.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm#1988-1996-sum:passing_post

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MariDa00.htm#1983-1999-sum:passing_post

 

You can hang your hat on 3% completion percentage difference, I'll hang my hat on 11 more TD's and 4 less INT's.

 

5.1 INT% is nasty work.

 

LOL, both of their numbers (completion %, TD%, INT%) went down in the post-season, as compared to the regular season. 

 

One went 3-0 against the other in the post-season.....in two of those Miami losses (both blowouts, one of which was the '92 AFC Championship Game in Miami), the LOLGOAT led his offense to a combined 6 points through the first 45:00 of play.

[Gregg]

7 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Truth and in the end... with a 2 man defensive front daring us to run the ball... I am fairly certain that McD would have absolutely taken that advantage... that Levy did not will go down as one of the greatest failures due to stubborn arrogance as I can ever remember. 

 

I remember screaming at the TV to run the ball more. Thurman was having a great game that day. He should have gotten the ball more. If he did, then I am sure the Bills would have won. If nothing else the Giants would have had to make adjustments to stop him and that could have opened things up more in the passing game.

[FireChans]

9 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

LOL, both of their numbers (completion %, TD%, INT%) went down in the post-season, as compared to the regular season. 

 

One went 3-0 against the other in the post-season.....in two of those Miami losses (both blowouts, one of which was the '92 AFC Championship Game in Miami), the LOLGOAT led his offense to a combined 6 points through the first 45:00 of play.

A lot of QB's numbers go down in the postseason.

 

Not a lot of QBs throw more INT's than TD's on one of the greatest rosters in NFL history.

 

Like I said, the 3 HoF QB's to have more postseason INT's than TD's since 1980 is Bob Griese, Dan Fouts and our very own Jimbo.

 

He's a great QB. Historic. Hall of Fame worthy. But his playoff disappearing act was quite bad.