What’s your hottest Bills take?

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

They’ll hate the best players too. Which, objectively, makes absolutely no sense.

 

Who is hated? By whom? 

 

We are not talking about sand on the beach, here. They are more like hidden gems.  😊

[stevewin]

4 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

If a magical genie came to you tomorrow and said:

 

I will grant a lifetime of winning the division, making the playoffs, and “contending” for a SB, but it’s guaranteed that you will never see a Bills Super Bowl win ever.

 

Would you take that deal?

Hypothetical has no relevance to my point.  The only way to win a SB is to be good enough to contend for it.  Enjoy having good teams year after year that have a real chance to win it.

Edited yesterday at 12:54 AM by stevewin

[NewEra]

I have always disliked Doug Flukie

[Mikie2times]

41 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Who is hated? By whom? 

 

We are not talking about sand on the beach, here. They are more like hidden gems.  😊

Thank you. We have a literal unicorn. Josh is Buffalo. In a ridiculous way we have had two QB's in my lifetime with Kelly (who we talked about upthread) that literally became the city. I'm not from there, but for us out of area fans it was the identity of the team that made us so loyal. The city and fans are that identity. Some guys like Josh and Jim just connect with our team at the same level. The identity matches what they think makes sense in the world. This is a special time to be a fan but it doesn't mean Josh or the team is beyond critique.

 

I'm more negative about our leadership than most here, but for all the horrendous things our defense has done, injuries, refs, WR/DT malpractice, we still had the ball with a chance to advance for two straight years. We didn't do it.  So Josh has to own some that and I'm sure he does. I have no doubt he owns ALL of it. That's who he is. 

[Einstein]

25 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Totally meaningless hypothetical.  The only way to win a SB is to be good enough to contend for it.

 

You know you would be stuck if you answered that hypothetical. 
 

You and @Augie agree - but both of you leave out that you can be good enough to make the playoffs *forever*, but never good enough to win a SB.

[DeepPass]

On 4/11/2025 at 6:03 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

We should have built a dome 

No kidding!  We're building a mansion without a roof!

[Billsatlastin2018]

On 4/11/2025 at 6:09 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

 

That’s what makes it spicy. Kelly isn’t in the league with Josh. 
 

edit: I can also tell how old someone is or how long they’ve followed the Bills by their Kelly takes. He was a borderline, top 5 player on those teams. He was Jalen Hurts. If you think he was better than that it is because your dad told you that. I never saw OJ play but my dad insists, with the possible exceptions of Bruce and Josh, he’s the best Bills player ever. Tom Sestak carries that status too for a lot of older folks. Kelly was better as a memory than as a player. He was closer to Fitz than to Josh.

I might have seen OJ. I am gapping him.

 

The 2 greatest Buffalo Bills pre 17 are:

1) Bruce

2) Thurman

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

You know you would be stuck if you answered that hypothetical. 
 

You and @Augie agree - but both of you leave out that you can be good enough to make the playoffs *forever*, but never good enough to win a SB.

 

I’m not playing with you for now.  I don’t find it very intriguing. 

[FireChans]

5 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

He's shown more than capable of leading game winnings drives. Which is why I prefaced the "regular season" in our first communication. He even showed more than capable in 13 seconds. But as I said the first time, down 4, 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl? Do you feel confident? I don't. That doesn't all reside on Allen, but it's a bit wild that some think none of it does.  

 

No, you're just a homer, which I choose not to be and if anybody says something even slightly diminishing towards Allen it tickles you in places you don't feel comfortable. It sounds like a position of insecurity to be honest.   

 

All that whining you did about taking single plays away from Josh that should have been made. Well, do you recall his fumble on the last drive in 2023? The one that somehow by some miracle bounced right back in his chest surrounded by half the Chiefs. Then on the same drive, missing multiple WR's which would have ultimately made  "Dawkins getting his lunch served" no longer relevant. As would have simply checking it down on the same play. It's just like the arguments with McD. It's all nuance, no substance. At some point, the nuance needs to stop being THE STORY. The actual outcome has to be how things are measured. That is how people who aren't insecure measure things. But if you want to die on the hill of what if vs what is, a lot of people live there so I'm sure it won't be lonely place.  

 

No one wants to lay blame at Allen’s feet because it is legitimately unreasonable to expect more from him. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I have always disliked Doug Flukie

Couldn't agree more. 

[Ga boy]

On 4/11/2025 at 6:23 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Love this (and I like Marv). I could have coached that team to the same results. He was a great leader and a mess on game day. 

How many days to the draft Kirb?

[SirAndrew]

90’s Bills fandom was awesome, but there’s too many bandwagon fans these days. 

[Another Fan]

During the drought I thought a lot of the Bills Mafia tailgating antics were pretty funny....  like hey even our team loses we still know a good time.

 

A lot of it now seems super cringe that the team is good and is considered more mainstream if you will

[Nihilarian]

10 hours ago, Doc said:

The Bills only realistically had a chance to win the first SB.  The other 3 were against better teams.

 

As for the first SB, I chalk it up mostly to the team, as was its wont back in the day, partying up until the wee hours of SB morning and being out of shape when game time rolled around.  I also think that Marchibroda should have told Kelly that they're not playing the run and to keep feeding Thurman until they do.

Again, looking back at that SB in Tampa the NY Giants vs the Buffalo Bills. The Bills were nearly 20-point favorites to win that game. To most, it was a foregone conclusion that Buffalo would win. Partying or not.

 

What most didn't see was that Giants HC Bill Parcells had a secret weapon as his DC in Bill Belichick and his ability to move the ball on the ground against anyone.

 

Let's also not forget that the Bills had beaten the Giants that season in week 14, 13-17 IN Giants stadium. Their starting QB Phill Simms was injured and out for that SB while their backup QB that nobody had ever heard of was starting in Jeff Hostetler. 

 

The 1990 Buffalo Bills were the highest-scoring in the entire NFL offense that season. The 13-3 Buffalo Bills had just beaten the 12-4 Los Angeles Raiders 51-3 in the AFC Championship game. 

 

To me, that SB loss was on the Buffalo coaching. But then, the entire world was thinking the Giants didn't stand a chance. 

[hondo in seattle]

My hot take: 

 

Kelly couldn't scramble or run like Josh, but his ball placement was better and he made quicker decisions.  

[eball]

On 4/12/2025 at 4:54 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

I think this is a fun offseason topic. What is your spiciest BIlls take? What is it that you believe that will trigger Bills fans?

 

I think Jim Kelly is one of the most overrated players in history. He was a very good QB. Historically, he was Jalen Hurts. Kirk Cousins numbers dwarf Kelly’s. He was the steward of an elite offense and did well with it. I am fine with him in the HOF but there are 30-40 QBs better.

 

What is your spicy take?

Great take Steve. I’ve been saying this for years as well. That team was LOADED. Give Josh Thurman, Andre, Lofton, and that defense, and we have several titles. 

 

Also, remember that in the 3rd SB run two of the team’s games were QB’d by a journeyman!
 

Kelly was a great QB and leader but Josh is a unicorn. 
 

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He's 0-6 in overtime and 0-5 when he did possess the ball needing a TD to win (Eagles, Vikings, Bucs, Texans, Jets).

 

Yea and while that isn't all on him, when you have an elite QB the whole point is they are supposed to come through in those situations.

 

I didn't actually know those numbers before, but they are startling.

[GunnerBill]

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

If a magical genie came to you tomorrow and said:

 

I will grant a lifetime of winning the division, making the playoffs, and “contending” for a SB, but it’s guaranteed that you will never see a Bills Super Bowl win ever.

 

Would you take that deal?

 

You talk about red herring fallacy and then post this?!? Of course nobody would take that deal. But that is a red herring because that deal doesn't exist.

 

Objectively @stevewin's comment is 100% accurate. 

11 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Between Gunnar pretending he knows more than Ryan Fitzpatrick and you wanting to ignore every play by Allen that would have won/taken the lead in a game, the anti-Allen rhetoric has reached a ridiculous point on this forum.

 

In that same conversation you were pretending Ryan Fitzpatrick knew more about the play than Josh Allen. 

 

We don't need to debate whether Josh made an incorrect protection call. We know he did. He told us he did. It isn't a subject open for debate.

[BillsFanForever19]

Brandon Beane needs to do less retaining of Drafted players.

 

Guys like Dawson Knox, Terrel Bernard, Greg Rousseau, Ed Oliver, and Tyler Bass for example shouldn't have gotten second contracts - in my opinion.

 

Extensions save us a little in cap space in the moment, but never enough to do something major in the Free Agent and Trade market and prohibits our Cap Space in later years - preventing us from back loading contracts.

 

Before FA opened, everyone discussed the (often unrealistic) things they'd like to see us do. I pointed to the fact that Benford, Shakir, Cook, Rousseau, and Bernard's contracts were coming up and he'd want to do some of those. Multiple people said they shouldn't be a thought. Go all in on guys like DK Metcalf, Myles Garrett (who ended up not available), D.J. Reed, Milton Williams, Jevon Holland, etc. and worry about those guys later.

 

While I knew that wasn't realistic or what I'd do, even I didn't see us retaining 4 of that 5 and maybe all 5 when it's all said and done. To me, guys like Rousseau and Bernard could have been upgraded from or replaced with Draft Picks.

 

Long story short, it feels like far too often Beane is focusing on retaining good to pretty good players at the cost of going out and getting great players.

Edited yesterday at 08:20 AM by BillsFanForever19

[Kirby Jackson]

6 hours ago, Ga boy said:

How many days to the draft Kirb?

12 😂😂