TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - The Bills (TSW Poll) are on the clock

[chongli]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

By CBS, maybe. There is no way he is the 4th best player in the draft. And whether he is tackle or guard eventually remains TBC. 

 

Had to look this up. For those like me who didn't know, "TBC" means "to be confirmed" or, in American English, we would say "TBD".

 

Also, thanks to you and mannc for enlightening me.

[Virgil]

@QLBillsFan pick is due ar 11a

[section122]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Add a layer to it, it’ll be tough to trade out of 4 because no one wants to move up for the first player in the next tier. They honestly should consider Graham or Jeantty. They are better players than what is on the board IMO. Maybe they take an upside guy like Walker. I think that I want them to take Campbell. 

 

Story broke a day or two ago that Walker "has a lot of fans" among the Patriots.

 

https://nesn.com/2025/04/nfl-draft-rumors-this-prospect-has-lot-of-fans-in-patriots/

 

Obviously it's lying season but I don't really see how lying about this would benefit anyone as mentioned 4 is kind of a tough spot to be in IF (and I think it's a big if) Sanders doesn't go in the first 3 picks.  I just can't move off of him going to Cleveland as it is the perfect marriage of imperfect prospect and imperfect franchise willing to do anything to not have to trot out Watson next year.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, section122 said:

 

Story broke a day or two ago that Walker "has a lot of fans" among the Patriots.

 

https://nesn.com/2025/04/nfl-draft-rumors-this-prospect-has-lot-of-fans-in-patriots/

 

Obviously it's lying season but I don't really see how lying about this would benefit anyone as mentioned 4 is kind of a tough spot to be in IF (and I think it's a big if) Sanders doesn't go in the first 3 picks.  I just can't move off of him going to Cleveland as it is the perfect marriage of imperfect prospect and imperfect franchise willing to do anything to not have to trot out Watson next year.

 

I just don’t see it. Sanders just isn’t an elite prospect. Next year’s draft should have better QB options. Sanders is a JJ McCarthy-level prospect. I think Kirk Cousins spends the year as the Browns QB. They take Hunter because he’s one of the two best players in the draft. They have Hunter and Jeudy along with Njoku. That’s pretty decent. It allows the Browns to be good somewhere. The same can be said if they go Carter instead (although that seems less likely as of today).
 

I think Sanders is more likely to fall out of the top 10 than he is to go top 3. I also think that there’s a decent chance that Jaxson Dart goes before him (maybe Saints at 9). 

[gonzo1105]

8 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Story broke a day or two ago that Walker "has a lot of fans" among the Patriots.

 

https://nesn.com/2025/04/nfl-draft-rumors-this-prospect-has-lot-of-fans-in-patriots/

 

Obviously it's lying season but I don't really see how lying about this would benefit anyone as mentioned 4 is kind of a tough spot to be in IF (and I think it's a big if) Sanders doesn't go in the first 3 picks.  I just can't move off of him going to Cleveland as it is the perfect marriage of imperfect prospect and imperfect franchise willing to do anything to not have to trot out Watson next year.

 

I can see it. I think people are just pegging Campbell into the 4th pick because it’s a need an he’s a solid player but he’s not worth of the 4th pick in the draft. He’s not even better than Membou imo. Walker apparently has been awesome in interviews. Ideally the Patriots are hoping both QBs go in the top 3 but it’s looking less and less likely. Walker makes sense for Vrabel as a tough Versatile defender for a defense first HC

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Story broke a day or two ago that Walker "has a lot of fans" among the Patriots.

 

https://nesn.com/2025/04/nfl-draft-rumors-this-prospect-has-lot-of-fans-in-patriots/

 

Obviously it's lying season but I don't really see how lying about this would benefit anyone as mentioned 4 is kind of a tough spot to be in IF (and I think it's a big if) Sanders doesn't go in the first 3 picks.  I just can't move off of him going to Cleveland as it is the perfect marriage of imperfect prospect and imperfect franchise willing to do anything to not have to trot out Watson next year.

 

 

Draft people are all over the place on Walker. He looks like Leonard Floyd to me. Seems like the ultimate boom or bust, but if he hits, he's going to be really good.

 

On the Cleveland thing, I could actually see them giving Kenny Pickett a real shot. He should be ok in Stefanski's system. I think Stefanski wants a grinder, I think he is over the superstar commercial guys. Sanders is an interesting prospect, but with his dad and such he brings a lot with him. 

 

2022 is when the Browns made the egregious trade for Watson, and they probably would have drafted Pickett in the first round if they did not make that move. Pickett has the potential to become the next Geno Smith/Sam Darnold type reclamation project. 

 

 

[section122]

12 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t see it. Sanders just isn’t an elite prospect. Next year’s draft should have better QB options. Sanders is a JJ McCarthy-level prospect. I think Kirk Cousins spends the year as the Browns QB. They take Hunter because he’s one of the two best players in the draft. They have Hunter and Jeudy along with Njoku. That’s pretty decent. It allows the Browns to be good somewhere. The same can be said if they go Carter instead (although that seems less likely as of today).
 

I think Sanders is more likely to fall out of the top 10 than he is to go top 3. I also think that there’s a decent chance that Jaxson Dart goes before him (maybe Saints at 9). 

 

I whole heartedly agree with your logic.  I guess I just expect the Browns to be the Browns lol. 

 

That said I'd be willing to make a friendly charity wager if you are interested... 

 

6 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

I can see it. I think people are just pegging Campbell into the 4th pick because it’s a need an he’s a solid player but he’s not worth of the 4th pick in the draft. He’s not even better than Membou imo. Walker apparently has been awesome in interviews. Ideally the Patriots are hoping both QBs go in the top 3 but it’s looking less and less likely. Walker makes sense for Vrabel as a tough Versatile defender for a defense first HC

 

That 4th pick is really the lynchpin for the whole draft and I think everything is on the table.  Does a QB needy team trade up? Do the Patriots go interior DL or Edge? Do they go OL?  This is one of the more interesting drafts to me because of the lack of top end talent and seeing how it shakes out.  I think we see some teams get pegged for "reaches" as draft boards will be all over the place.  If the Pats stay put I also think they go defense and its either Graham or Walker.

 

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Draft people are all over the place on Walker. He looks like Leonard Floyd to me. Seems like the ultimate boom or bust, but if he hits, he's going to be really good.

 

On the Cleveland thing, I could actually see them giving Kenny Pickett a real shot. He should be ok in Stefanski's system. I think Stefanski wants a grinder, I think he is over the superstar commercial guys. Sanders is an interesting prospect, but with his dad and such he brings a lot with him. 

 

2022 is when the Browns made the egregious trade for Watson, and they probably would have drafted Pickett in the first round if they did not make that move. Pickett has the potential to become the next Geno Smith/Sam Darnold type reclamation project. 

 

 

 

Boy pinning your hopes on Kenny Pickett is almost as bad as trading the farm for Watson.  As I mentioned above though the Browns are gonna Brown lol.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

The Pats are in an absolutely brutal position in this draft…they are likely too late for any of the three stars, and there is no one at their position of greatest need who merits a top 15 pick, much less top 4.  I’m sure they will be desperate to trade back when it becomes clear that Sanders isn’t going in the top 3.

That was my thinking. I wanted Hunter or Carter. Them both going top 3 left me with wanting to trade down and hopefully end up with a WR like Golden or Tet while getting extra picks. With no offers, I just took the top player on the board. I'm happy the way it turned out because it helps Maye in the long run not to have to be a "Josh Allen" where everything is on his shoulders. 

 

In the real draft this could be a spot where I see the Raiders, Saints or Bears moving up to get ahead of the others for Jeanty. Bears have the ammo to do it easily. Pats may end up doing well in this spot depending on who is willing to give up what to get ahead of the others. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, BuffaloBillyG said:

That was my thinking. I wanted Hunter or Carter. Them both going top 3 left me with wanting to trade down and hopefully end up with a WR like Golden or Tet while getting extra picks. With no offers, I just took the top player on the board. I'm happy the way it turned out because it helps Maye in the long run not to have to be a "Josh Allen" where everything is on his shoulders. 

 

In the real draft this could be a spot where I see the Raiders, Saints or Bears moving up to get ahead of the others for Jeanty. Bears have the ammo to do it easily. Pats may end up doing well in this spot depending on who is willing to give up what to get ahead of the others. 

 

Yeah adding Jeanty is a brilliant way to support the young QB so he can develop. A superstar RB on a rookie deal and an ascending QB on a rookie deal. You can wear Jeanty out and continue to spend on the rest of the roster. Good stuff. 

[Alphadawg7]

The Saints have some plans at pick 9, but depending on how the board continues to fall, we could be open to considering a trade back...so we are putting that out there ahead of our pick that will likely be later today.  DM to discuss.

[QLBillsFan]

West coaster here. Apologies for the slow pick!!!

 

With  6th pick of the 2025 TWS draft the Las Vegas Raiders select; Will Johnson, CB, Michigan. 
 

The Raiders with Jeanty off the board go for BPA at  their highest positional need. Johnson is a game changer athletic traits made for CB. In a deep draft of RB’s they can fill RB in the 2nd of 3rd. 

The Jets and @section122 are on the ⏰ 

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

That said I'd be willing to make a friendly charity wager if you are interested... 

 

Yeah buddy!! I love a good message board bet. It makes it more fun. What do you have in mind?

[BuffaloBillyG]

16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah buddy!! I love a good message board bet. It makes it more fun. What do you have in mind?

I saw this message and my brain registered it "I'd love a good massage" and it made the prospective bet even more interesting...

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I saw this message and my brain registered it "I'd love a good massage" and it made the prospective bet even more interesting...

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t see it. Sanders just isn’t an elite prospect. Next year’s draft should have better QB options. Sanders is a JJ McCarthy-level prospect. I think Kirk Cousins spends the year as the Browns QB. They take Hunter because he’s one of the two best players in the draft. They have Hunter and Jeudy along with Njoku. That’s pretty decent. It allows the Browns to be good somewhere. The same can be said if they go Carter instead (although that seems less likely as of today).
 

I think Sanders is more likely to fall out of the top 10 than he is to go top 3. I also think that there’s a decent chance that Jaxson Dart goes before him (maybe Saints at 9). 

 

Dart is my #2 QB, but as GM of the Browns in the draft 1.0 I couldn't pass on Carter. They have jags on the Dline except for Garrett, and pairing him with Carter makes them scary as hell... Had Ward been there like in 2.0 I would have taken him as well. 

 

I also don't get the Travis Hunter hype, and can't see spending a premium draft pick on a 180 lbs "iron man." 

 

I was hoping Dart would last until #33. But that's unlikely. I think he'll rightly be viewed as this year's Bo Nix. 

 

I ended up taking Will Howard at the bottom of the 3rd round. I think he has the athletics and size to do some of the things Josh can do, and like Josh, he'll have to fix his throwing mechanics to succeed at the next level. I'm not staying Howard has the same talent as Josh by any stretch of the imagination. But he has been clocked hitting 22mph on runs downfield, and he's a big dude that executes the short to intermediate passing game with divisiveness and efficiency. 

 

I like his prospects better than his combined performance. 

Edited Thursday at 04:33 PM by Motorin'

[mannc]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That was my thinking. I wanted Hunter or Carter. Them both going top 3 left me with wanting to trade down and hopefully end up with a WR like Golden or Tet while getting extra picks. With no offers, I just took the top player on the board. I'm happy the way it turned out because it helps Maye in the long run not to have to be a "Josh Allen" where everything is on his shoulders. 

 

In the real draft this could be a spot where I see the Raiders, Saints or Bears moving up to get ahead of the others for Jeanty. Bears have the ammo to do it easily. Pats may end up doing well in this spot depending on who is willing to give up what to get ahead of the others. 

I don’t think anyone’s trading up for Jeanty.  When’s the last time the first RB off the board turned into the best RB in the draft class?  Saquon?

[section122]

With the 7th pick the New Jersey Jets select Will Campbell, OT, LSU.

 

I thought about going QB here but I can see the Jets giving Fields a chance here a la Goff in Detroit.  Although RT is the need, Campbell can start right away and get a chance to prove himself as a tackle.   

 

@Bill from NYC and the Panthers are on the clock.

[section122]

47 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah buddy!! I love a good message board bet. It makes it more fun. What do you have in mind?

 

Love it! spit balling here so check me if I'm out of line but I'm thinking:

 

We bet $25 he goes in the top 10 period.

 

If he goes #2 to the Browns you pay double ($50)

 

If Dart goes before him I pay double ($50)

 

Payment is a donation to the charity of the winners choice.

[gonzo1105]

Bears willing to move out of 10 if anyone is interested 

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, section122 said:

 

Love it! spit balling here so check me if I'm out of line but I'm thinking:

 

We bet $25 he goes in the top 10 period.

 

If he goes #2 to the Browns you pay double ($50)

 

If Dart goes before him I pay double ($50)

 

Payment is a donation to the charity of the winners choice.

Can I make one tweak and set the over/under at 8.5? I think that the Saints are absolutely in play. In fact, I think that’s likeliest landing spot. Otherwise, I’m good.